@ PQ
This is immature. This is saying they hate the callouts because it makes them look bad.
You know they could stop using them.
This behavior from this aggressor is petty and pathetic.
PQ this comment is immature. This behavior is petty and pathetic.
This is saying they hate the call-outs.
hey answer me. here are the facts you’re so obsessed with.
chapter 1
- dan witnesses jaekyung uncontrollably beat the shit outta someone off the bat in ch. 1, contributing to preexisting fear of physical violence from him. granted though this was not jaekyung’s intention (debatable honestly) and does also count towards why dan could’ve/should’ve known to say no to the agreement
- jaekyung is just overall physically intimidating whether he’s trying to be or not. this isn’t his fault but there’s no question that he uses this to try to get his way in situations
- uh. dan was hired as a pt. not even by jaekyung himself but by his manager? ch. 1
- dan is there for the conversation about jaekyung having knocked the previous pt out. point for he should’ve/could’ve left earlier, but also point for jaekyung (inadvertently here, granted) using threats of physical violence to intimidate, which could contribute to a coerced yes later
- dan comes to the conclusion that if he doesn’t do well, he will have physical violence used against him. jaekyung’s manager basically confirms this saying as long as dan doesn’t do anything to get on his nerves, he’ll be fine
- dan has a history of being physically abused, as such he will do anything he can to avoid it happening. that said jaekyung doesn’t know about this at this point (ch. 1)
- personally this…i feel like jaekyung picks out dan as his next target precisely because he’s a “little wimp” as he describes him after that first sesh
- as stated before dan is having to work multiple jobs to maintain himself which again highlights the sheer power differential between these two (can i clarify and say—jaekyung is not solely responsible for the sex being ultimately nonconsenual if that makes sense and i feel like this is what i was really trying to argue. we’ll see)
- dan is just so. self-blaming nothing to do with jaekyung yet but brother
- dan’s job prospects got fucked because of his previous boss, who was caught sexually assaulting him, but ended up getting him fired and spreading rumors about him. this contributes further to how desperate dan’s situation is hence why he is not given a meaningful choice (again, not ALL jaekyang’s fault)
- dan can’t afford to up and move somewhere where he might have better prospects idk how many times ill list down “he doesn’t have a real choice because he’s poor not because of jaekyung specifically although jaekyung doesn’t help”
- dan feeling unsafe everywhere. nothing to necessarily do with anything yet just an interesting detail
- dan is/would’ve been stuck between a rock and a hard place, getting beaten up by the loan sharks or getting raped or assaulted or whatever by jaekyung
- jaekyung lies to dan about his treatment to lure him to his appointment i guess you can argue dan should’ve used his common sense here but that feels victim blamey and if we can critique dan for lying about his experience we can certainly critique jaekyung for lying about why he was calling dan to his house
- dan says no to going to the apartment, jaekyung offers him more money for him to go (bribery more than coercion though lol but…considering that this is kind of a trap,)
chapter 2
- jaekyung…had someone else he was fucking already? who was willing? why switch to dan all of a sudden?
- dan again witnesses jaekyung use an disproportionate amount of physical violence (slamming guy’s head into a wall) AND a death threat against someone because of a slight provocation. again, this counts towards both “dan should’ve known better and left” and “dan likely (rightly) felt too intimidated to say no”
- jaekyung definitely does find dan physically attractive but we still don’t know why he decided to quit his previous partner for him
- jaekyung does try to get a vibe check on what dan might think/how he might feel about being propositioned
- the jinx in and of itself is a fundamentally fucking stupid plot device so let’s start there. we don’t know if it’s real or not we don’t get any real explanation for it other than that it exists. it exists to justify jaekyung’s sex-pesty behavior though, that’s for sure. you can interpret it as also another method of coercion—what he’s saying is that if he loses, it will have been dan’s fault. this of course puts a disproportionate amount of pressure on dan but maybe im getting ahead of myself
- jaekyung physically grabs dan. nothing violent yet though but this is yknow. erm
- jaekyung does indeed give dan the choice to leave if he doesn’t want to have sex But the added consequence is no money. as noted before this guy lied in the first place. also note the language use: “guess you don’t **need** that five grand after all” just…interesting
- again, dan’s circumstances make his yes not a meaningful yes. that isn’t specifically entirely jaekyung’s fault but ***jaekyung does not help.***
chapter 3
ch. 3
- jaekyung does indeed ask if dan has been with a man before. he follows up with “i suppose it doesn’t actually matter.” now again dan should’ve been honest he is responsible for that but also, jaekyung, if he actually gave a fuck, wouldn’t just assume things—especially with the non-answer dan gives, the hesitance he shows
- dan did just lie though. stupid bitch. you could say this counts against him but you could also attribute his feeling of having to lie to not only his own personal psychology but, again, the various shows of violence and intimidation jaekyung had performed beforehand
- jaekyung uses physical force on dan to get him out of the shower and throw him onto the bed after he takes too long in the shower. again dan ain’t sign up for allat. again jaekyung could’ve/should’ve checked in properly here but whatever it’s his character
- threatens to break dan’s ankle when he struggles and asks him to wait
- I GET THIS IS FANTASY BUT I DON’T CARE HOW EXPERIENCED SOMEONE IS YOU DO NOT SHOVE A COCK UP THEIR ASS NO PREP ESPECIALLY NOT A MONSTER COCK. THIS GUY JUST WANTED TO HURT HIM. “DISCOMFORT” DURING SEX MY ASS? NO PUN INTENDED?
- threatens violence again (“if you waste my time like that last little bitch, don’t expect to be sent home safe and sound”) when dan says he can’t actually go through with the sex, prompting dan to think of. the guy getting his face smashed into a wall.
- dan explicitly asks jaekyung “then how do i do this? if you just put it in, i think i’ll tear.” personally i once again think that this should have been a red flag to anyone who cares about the virginal status of their partner but. ok
- jaekyung says “last chance, no more mr. nice guy after this” which is another threat/intimidation tactic. he does tell dan to leave if he can’t handle prep. but this followed after the threat of getting his shit rocked if he’s too slow.
- do you really read all this and then read dan going “well i asked for it” and think “yep he sure did!” and not feel bad. at all. and like something isn’t right here.
- again jaekyung uses physical force on dan when he’s going too slow for his liking
- dan sure does ask for jaekyung to fuck his ass. after being roughly fingered
- dan tells jaekyung that it hurts and asks jaekyung to stop, jaekyung does not stop. jaekyung in fact proceeds to shove dan’s head into the mattress and say, “keep testing my patience, and i’ll smash your head in” followed by “just shut up and take it”
chapter 4
- dan tries to crawl away from jaekyung, jaekyung slams into him
- very hard pressed to read jaekyung’s response here as being one of concern/sympathy (“what the, are you crying? over that? i barely even put it in!”) it is if anything belittling. again dan is responsible for being honest but jaekyung is responsible for creating a space where he feels safe to be honest. besides that, jaekyung would’ve actually asked if he was okay instead of pounding into him
- jaekyung pounds into him, explicitly saying that he likes seeing dan cry, and that the tears won’t make him go easy on him
- jaekyung does…”check in” on dan, dan foolishly says he can take it.
- speaking of dan lying, when jaekyung says he’s had a bunch of cocks before, dan says that isn’t the case
- dan asks jaekyung to be gentler, jaekyung tells him to shut up and then goes harder and even covers his mouth so y’know even if he wanted to say no he couldn’t that’s very consensual to me
several different websites define rape, legally, to involve nonconsensual sexual intercourse (penetration) being done to another person by means of force—force being psychological coercion, threats, use of drugs, and/or use of physical force.
several websites define sexual assault (if/when there is a distinction between it and rape) as generally making contact with someone’s intimate body parts without their consent.
given that jaekyung used deception and intimidation (coercion) before if not also throughout their first interaction with one another, given that jaekyung repeatedly threatened physical violence and also used physical violence on dan, given that jaekyung penetrated dan, and given that dan repeatedly expressed, physically and verbally, his non-consent to jaekyung, only to have them all completely ignored if not responded to with even more threats and/or uses of physical violence—why would jaekyung’s actions against dan in at least these very first four chapters not fall under even the legal definition of rape?
Thank you for fighting the good fight. As SA survivor this weird "what constitute rape and sexual assault " is mad weird especially when it is used to downplay what happened to a victim. Might I add is the majority of the time use to downplay victims( survivor) own abuse.
As someone who really loves correcting people; rape is rape and sexual assault is sexual assault, if you are in no position to say no and are obligated to say yes your yes is as good as a no and it is rape ( if it's penetration in either way - forced to be penetrated or penetrate)
Sexual assault excludes this act, but it is not better or worse than rape in either cases its a violation of your bodily autonomy.
In the case of Dan it's rape pure and simple and saying otherwise can potentially feel like downplaying a survivors experience and make them feel like of they were "only" coerced it's not as bad and shouldn't seek justice or wouldn't be taken seriously. Honestly how it works in the justice system that's how they think and it's already hard enough for rape let along sexual assault.
So to anyone reading, if you were made to be put in a position where your no was not an option or important, no matter that you are male, female, non-binary or anything no matter if the perpetrator was male,female, non-binary or anything and even if you said yes, if no wouldn't matter you were RAPED.
Coercion to sexual penetration is rape. Don't downplay it because you said yes or don't conform to the perfect victim narrative. It was not right for you to be placed in such a situation and it was forced upon you( literally coercion is force no matter how gentle it seems). Having no way to properly inform yourself on what you are consenting to is forcefully putting you in a position of ignorance to your detriment, feels forcefu l because it is. If you can't consent for any reason, it's forcing you. The yes is forceful therefor not consent and if it's penetration it's rape( literally the definition bro posted).
If you are a SA victim you are valid and it's not because you weren't full on raped that what happened wasn't a serious and terrible thing that happened to you.
I know this all fiction and we have a right to explore different emotions and experience through art, but my problem with jinx( and a lot of bl honestly) is the lack of awareness and care that comes when dealing with these serious subject and the frankly disgusting portrayal of them, but because it's two men it doesn't matter as much and people have 6 thousand excuse for them. If it was mindless porn so be it, but there's obviously a push for a relationship being push and probably a "redemption" arc coming up. The author is obviously pushing for Dan not be seen as a victim of rape because it's almost practically unforgivable offense and demonstrate a lack of respect for the person, but that hasn't stop other bl so I don't get it.
I'm assuming obviously so take it with grain of salt because there can be other factors. But my point stands and the downplay of sexual violence when it comes from two men us downright horrific. Remember art imitates life. Criticizing art is important and doing some self reflection on the media we consume is essential. Asking question on what we are reading and why is good to catch bad trains of thoughts and biases.
To sum it all before I go on a another ADHD rant, you are valid your experience is valid and try your best to not be an obtuse dickhead that can't comprehend a definition that you yourself posted.
Sorry for anyone who has experience any form of sexual violence, kick anyone who tries to downplay your experience and art is meant to be viewed so it will automatically be criticize. Also it's not because something is common that is good or free from criticizing. This is getting long, but that's why I'm scared to read manhua's and Mangas these days lol.
Note: People who have been previously abused, have a difficulty expressing discomfort, have a lack of boundaries, pushovers, in difficulty situations( mentally, physically or financially), have a lack of self worth and struggle with mental disorders are more likely to end up I abusive relationships of any kind.
Bringing it up as an excuse to downplay their experience and point to say it's their fault because there's something "wrong" with them is downright evil and I hope you get some help if you think that disrespectfully,
Me
PQ,
It is disheartening to see how certain individuals resort to bullying and harassment, using flawed arguments to do so. They engage in abusive behavior and seem to believe they have succeeded, though their efforts have ultimately failed. Akaito, in particular, failed to engage in good faith. These aggressors continue to employ tactics like deflection, personal attacks, and harassment, which have derailed the conversation.
You blocked Akaito due to their persistent bad faith and paranoia, despite their numerous accusations against you.
A living, breathing human being should not have to endure continuous personal attacks and harassment. Akaito pretended to engage in good faith, but both of us anticipated that any attempt to engage would lead to further attacks and provocations from Baileybot and others. I’m relieved to see that they continued their behavior without a response from us.
Akaito, Haileybot, and the others here are harming people and abusing you. You are Dan, and they are Jaekyung. When you analyzed Akaito’s comments and suspected a trap, it became evident that the intention was to provoke and attack. Their actions are deeply troubling.
You write politely, and they respond with hostility. Each attempt to communicate respectfully is met with further aggression. They are trying to force you into submission through relentless attacks.
Their harassment continues unabated, and they seem proud of their actions. They have succeeded in embodying the worst traits, much like Jaekyung, who will never redeem themselves.
i’ve done the work for you. these are my notes, observations, and interpretations of the events of the first four chapters of this manhwa. i even include legal definitions like you wanted. point out specifically where i’m wrong. i’ve made it easy for you. answer me.
chapter 1
- dan witnesses jaekyung uncontrollably beat the shit outta someone off the bat in ch. 1, contributing to preexisting fear of physical violence from him. granted though this was not jaekyung’s intention (debatable honestly) and does also count towards why dan could’ve/should’ve known to say no to the agreement
- jaekyung is just overall physically intimidating whether he’s trying to be or not. this isn’t his fault but there’s no question that he uses this to try to get his way in situations
- uh. dan was hired as a pt. not even by jaekyung himself but by his manager? ch. 1
- dan is there for the conversation about jaekyung having knocked the previous pt out. point for he should’ve/could’ve left earlier, but also point for jaekyung (inadvertently here, granted) using threats of physical violence to intimidate, which could contribute to a coerced yes later
- dan comes to the conclusion that if he doesn’t do well, he will have physical violence used against him. jaekyung’s manager basically confirms this saying as long as dan doesn’t do anything to get on his nerves, he’ll be fine
- dan has a history of being physically abused, as such he will do anything he can to avoid it happening. that said jaekyung doesn’t know about this at this point (ch. 1)
- personally this…i feel like jaekyung picks out dan as his next target precisely because he’s a “little wimp” as he describes him after that first sesh
- as stated before dan is having to work multiple jobs to maintain himself which again highlights the sheer power differential between these two (can i clarify and say—jaekyung is not solely responsible for the sex being ultimately nonconsenual if that makes sense and i feel like this is what i was really trying to argue. we’ll see)
- dan is just so. self-blaming nothing to do with jaekyung yet but brother
- dan’s job prospects got fucked because of his previous boss, who was caught sexually assaulting him, but ended up getting him fired and spreading rumors about him. this contributes further to how desperate dan’s situation is hence why he is not given a meaningful choice (again, not ALL jaekyang’s fault)
- dan can’t afford to up and move somewhere where he might have better prospects idk how many times ill list down “he doesn’t have a real choice because he’s poor not because of jaekyung specifically although jaekyung doesn’t help”
- dan feeling unsafe everywhere. nothing to necessarily do with anything yet just an interesting detail
- dan is/would’ve been stuck between a rock and a hard place, getting beaten up by the loan sharks or getting raped or assaulted or whatever by jaekyung
- jaekyung lies to dan about his treatment to lure him to his appointment i guess you can argue dan should’ve used his common sense here but that feels victim blamey and if we can critique dan for lying about his experience we can certainly critique jaekyung for lying about why he was calling dan to his house
- dan says no to going to the apartment, jaekyung offers him more money for him to go (bribery more than coercion though lol but…considering that this is kind of a trap,)
chapter 2
- jaekyung…had someone else he was fucking already? who was willing? why switch to dan all of a sudden?
- dan again witnesses jaekyung use an disproportionate amount of physical violence (slamming guy’s head into a wall) AND a death threat against someone because of a slight provocation. again, this counts towards both “dan should’ve known better and left” and “dan likely (rightly) felt too intimidated to say no”
- jaekyung definitely does find dan physically attractive but we still don’t know why he decided to quit his previous partner for him
- jaekyung does try to get a vibe check on what dan might think/how he might feel about being propositioned
- the jinx in and of itself is a fundamentally fucking stupid plot device so let’s start there. we don’t know if it’s real or not we don’t get any real explanation for it other than that it exists. it exists to justify jaekyung’s sex-pesty behavior though, that’s for sure. you can interpret it as also another method of coercion—what he’s saying is that if he loses, it will have been dan’s fault. this of course puts a disproportionate amount of pressure on dan but maybe im getting ahead of myself
- jaekyung physically grabs dan. nothing violent yet though but this is yknow. erm
- jaekyung does indeed give dan the choice to leave if he doesn’t want to have sex But the added consequence is no money. as noted before this guy lied in the first place. also note the language use: “guess you don’t **need** that five grand after all” just…interesting
- again, dan’s circumstances make his yes not a meaningful yes. that isn’t specifically entirely jaekyung’s fault but ***jaekyung does not help.***
chapter 3
ch. 3
- jaekyung does indeed ask if dan has been with a man before. he follows up with “i suppose it doesn’t actually matter.” now again dan should’ve been honest he is responsible for that but also, jaekyung, if he actually gave a fuck, wouldn’t just assume things—especially with the non-answer dan gives, the hesitance he shows
- dan did just lie though. stupid bitch. you could say this counts against him but you could also attribute his feeling of having to lie to not only his own personal psychology but, again, the various shows of violence and intimidation jaekyung had performed beforehand
- jaekyung uses physical force on dan to get him out of the shower and throw him onto the bed after he takes too long in the shower. again dan ain’t sign up for allat. again jaekyung could’ve/should’ve checked in properly here but whatever it’s his character
- threatens to break dan’s ankle when he struggles and asks him to wait
- I GET THIS IS FANTASY BUT I DON’T CARE HOW EXPERIENCED SOMEONE IS YOU DO NOT SHOVE A COCK UP THEIR ASS NO PREP ESPECIALLY NOT A MONSTER COCK. THIS GUY JUST WANTED TO HURT HIM. “DISCOMFORT” DURING SEX MY ASS? NO PUN INTENDED?
- threatens violence again (“if you waste my time like that last little bitch, don’t expect to be sent home safe and sound”) when dan says he can’t actually go through with the sex, prompting dan to think of. the guy getting his face smashed into a wall.
- dan explicitly asks jaekyung “then how do i do this? if you just put it in, i think i’ll tear.” personally i once again think that this should have been a red flag to anyone who cares about the virginal status of their partner but. ok
- jaekyung says “last chance, no more mr. nice guy after this” which is another threat/intimidation tactic. he does tell dan to leave if he can’t handle prep. but this followed after the threat of getting his shit rocked if he’s too slow.
- do you really read all this and then read dan going “well i asked for it” and think “yep he sure did!” and not feel bad. at all. and like something isn’t right here.
- again jaekyung uses physical force on dan when he’s going too slow for his liking
- dan sure does ask for jaekyung to fuck his ass. after being roughly fingered
- dan tells jaekyung that it hurts and asks jaekyung to stop, jaekyung does not stop. jaekyung in fact proceeds to shove dan’s head into the mattress and say, “keep testing my patience, and i’ll smash your head in” followed by “just shut up and take it”
chapter 4
- dan tries to crawl away from jaekyung, jaekyung slams into him
- very hard pressed to read jaekyung’s response here as being one of concern/sympathy (“what the, are you crying? over that? i barely even put it in!”) it is if anything belittling. again dan is responsible for being honest but jaekyung is responsible for creating a space where he feels safe to be honest. besides that, jaekyung would’ve actually asked if he was okay instead of pounding into him
- jaekyung pounds into him, explicitly saying that he likes seeing dan cry, and that the tears won’t make him go easy on him
- jaekyung does…”check in” on dan, dan foolishly says he can take it.
- speaking of dan lying, when jaekyung says he’s had a bunch of cocks before, dan says that isn’t the case
- dan asks jaekyung to be gentler, jaekyung tells him to shut up and then goes harder and even covers his mouth so y’know even if he wanted to say no he couldn’t that’s very consensual to me
several different websites define rape, legally, to involve nonconsensual sexual intercourse (penetration) being done to another person by means of force—force being psychological coercion, threats, use of drugs, and/or use of physical force.
several websites define sexual assault (if/when there is a distinction between it and rape) as generally making contact with someone’s intimate body parts without their consent.
given that jaekyung used deception and intimidation (coercion) before if not also throughout their first interaction with one another, given that jaekyung repeatedly threatened physical violence and also used physical violence on dan, given that jaekyung penetrated dan, and given that dan repeatedly expressed, physically and verbally, his non-consent to jaekyung, only to have them all completely ignored if not responded to with even more threats and/or uses of physical violence—why would jaekyung’s actions against dan in at least these very first four chapters not fall under even the legal definition of rape?
Thank you so much for your contribution and saying so much of what I haven’t been able to say/get to because of the way these people are talking about this. I’m glad that I can help with breaking down these harmful narratives in any way I can.
Akaito August 2, 2024 11:31 pm (This comment).
Opens on DM to PQ,
Hey PQ,
Akaito recently posted a detailed analysis of the first four chapters. From what I saw, their analysis displays an advanced level of analytical writing. However, I didn’t read it all because I anticipated the same outcome as has been for months. Quickly, From my brief glance, they missed some details that would help and included extraneous information that wasn’t helpful.
Anticipated outcome.
I’m considering whether I should respond. Given your previous decision to avoid engagement with Akaito again because of how they treated you, No one wants to talk to someone who is always insulting them. I understand why you might prefer not to get involved. I know that any response will likely lead to the same issues as before—Akaito dismissing our points, attacking us, and making false claims about our statements.
Then, as usual, another aggressor will join in, leading to further attacks and harassment. Baileybot will likely return with more falsehoods, and the cycle will continue. It’s disheartening how they seem to take pride in harassing us, as if they’re boasting about their ability to undermine and belittle. Then pretend we caused it when they are the aggressors who are harassing people to have rape in a story. yikes. That is deeply troubking they would do this over and over just to harass people because they want rape to be in a story. shiver.
The pattern is clear: they seek to provoke and wear us down while boosting their own egos. Their behavior remains deeply troubling and toxic..
PQ,
I wonder if they will ever think what they are missing or leaving out. Maybe they should analyze it better.
what details did i leave out. what is the extraneous information. point it out. word for word. it’s all right there for you. tell me.
Shielded Guard said in reply to my comment “Saying Jinx is toxic does not excuse any abuse Dan has suffered. Same strawman arguments.” Let me clarify, shielded guard: I was saying that people were saying that Jinx is toxic AND DOES NOT CONTAIN abuse. Thus, excusing the abuse.
Shielded Guard also said “It is disheartening to see how certain individuals resort to bullying and harassment, using flawed arguments to do so”. I do not know how what I said constitutes bullying or harassment, we are in an open forum you can leave at any point and I have not used any threats or swear words. Belittling language: sure but that’s because PQ’s argument is literally collapsing in on itself THEY LITERALLY DEBUNKED THEMSELVES WITH AN ARTICLE THEY LINKED. Dan is a rape victim ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION PQ!
I find it incredibly funny too that both PQ and SG (who I am going to pretend are two different people for the sake of argument) consider this a “serious topic for debate” when it’s literally just a rape fetish bl comic at the end of the day.
Shielded Guard said “These aggressors continue to employ tactics like deflection, personal attacks, and harassment, which have derailed the conversation.” No, the flimsy argument that has no basis in reality derailed the conversation.
Shielded Guard said “A living, breathing human being should not have to endure continuous personal attacks and harassment” okay then that living, breathing human can leave the forum if they can’t stand it anymore, it’s literally called the back button. I’m not standing on the street with PQ pointing a finger in their face, I am typing words into a puter system.
Shielded Guard said “Akaito, Haileybot, and the others here are harming people and abusing you”. Please explain how we are harming and abusing in a voluntary comment section. I am so confused. Also I have not used threatening language or that many curse words except in an exclamatory fashion. I simply called this person ridiculous in so many words and that somehow constitutes abuse? Why should I take their argument seriously when their argument is eating itself?
Shielded Guard said “You write politely, and they respond with hostility. Each attempt to communicate respectfully is met with further aggression. They are trying to force you into submission through relentless attacks.” They may write politely but what comes out is preposterous. You can tell someone that they are a human piece of feces whose race deserves a total and thorough elimination through “polite wording” it does not negate the fact that you told them they deserve genocide for being who they were born to be. The MEANING and INTENTION of your polite words matter and PQ is using “polite words” to try to claim that Jaekyung is not a rapist and I still don’t know why. Seriously, why is that important?
And I’m not really trying to force anyone into submission, I’d actually love it if PQ and SG unblocked me and actually replied to my comments instead of repeating their ChatGPT generated replies of “strawman argument” and “logical fallacy” over and over and expecting it to work. What is the definition of insanity again? LOL
Shielded Guard said “They have succeeded in embodying the worst traits, much like Jaekyung, who will never redeem themselves.” So you agree that Jaekyung is a terrible person? THANK GOD THAT’S ALL I WANTED
Also this is the link from PQ’s post about rape https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/ and from PQ’s post: “forcing victim to perform sexual acts (i.e. oral penetration or other forms of sex) rape: unlawful sexual intercourse or penetration of the victim’s body by a body part or object” ← this is what Jaekyung does to Dan, PQ!!!! EXPLAIN YOURSELF!!!!!
PQ,
Since they think you are determined to prove it is not rape they think you love it.
They have to make you a lover of Jinx to attack you.
I guess the strawman, oh, the logical fallacies in the room with this aggressor right now.
It is okay I know Jinx is not your cup of tea. We are dealing with children who want to be right and think forcing you into submission through relentless attacks and failed arguments is "winning"
PQ,
The definitions effectively debunk the claims of rape in Jinx. It seems that in order to "win," they resort to personal attacks against you.
How does it debunk the claims. Answer me. Specifically. I gave you chapter summaries and details tell me specifically what I missed. Tell me how I’m wrong.
Let me also just say, I was talking to a friend from another country about this stuff and he mentioned that in his country, the term rape encompasses pretty much all forms of sexual assault/sexual abuse/rape INCLUDING fondling someone without consent and personally, I think that energy is a little better because I've had people respond to me opening up about my own sexual trauma with "well at least you weren't raped" and it was the worst thing anyone could say to me and multiple people have said that to me.
Please stop placing "rape" at the top of the totem pole and not the umbrella term of "rape" but the term that defines rape as "sexual penetration without consent". There are all types of sexual assault and abuse and they are ALL not okay and can cause ALL kinds of trauma in a person depending on the circumstances, environment, and age the person happens to be.
Why it's so important for Persistent Quill to argue that Jaekyung is "not" a rapist (when he actually is by their limited definition) is beyond me. I can only conclude it's because they think "rape" by their definition is the worst type of sexual assault and thus it's not fair to label Jaekyung as a rapist because maybe they're hoping Jaekyung can be redeemed. I can only wonder though, cause they blocked me :P
they're just saying words without actually showing evidence. How DOES it prove Jinx DOESN'T have rape?
Persistent Quill, Shielded Guard, how does Jinx not have rape and how does the article you linked prove that Jinx does not have rape and also, why is it so important to prove that Jinx does not have rape? Is there something significant to the world you're accomplishing by proving that Jinx doesn't have rape?
This was why it pissed me off so much when they kept bring up the legal definition like no one is talking about the legal definition we’re talking about CONNOTATIONS used by people and how it tangibly harms people and even if we’re trying to go by legal definitions, the language of the law is directly shaped and impacted by culture, it isn’t unshakeable or infallible, it is/can be just as fluid as anything else, and it can also fail to fully encapsulate people’s lived experiences. LIKE
I’m having a good laugh at the Baileybot nonsense. It’s funny how some people simplify things to the point of absurdity—like lumping all targets into one person. For the record, it was MD who actually mentioned the FBI over cyberstalking and not you, and it’s clear that the sockpuppet didn’t bother to research properly or can't handle many targets at one time.
Cyberstalking, just like in-person stalking, has legal consequences, and it’s taken seriously.
https://us.norton.com/blog/how-to/what-is-cyberstalking
Why is cyberstalking a crime?
Harassing or threatening someone in person has legal consequences, and so does committing these acts online. Stalking online is legally distinct from stalking in the real world, but both have laws preventing them.
How to report cyberstalking
If you encounter someone who’s cyberstalking another person, or you’re receiving threats, report it to the police immediately. Many police departments have cybercrime units that are trained to handle online crimes. In other instances, before contacting the authorities, here are a few steps to take:
Scan your device for spyware or other malware installed by a hacker.
Keep copies of any messages or images that prove the harassment.
Log the dates and times you received messages.
Report the cyberstalker if they escalate or you feel your safety is threatened.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) runs the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3).
If Baileybot took a moment to search "How to report cyberstalking," they’d find that IC3 is indeed a resource for this kind of issue. But I think BB is acting that way because she is sockpuppet of the cyberstalkers.
Just wanted to clear that up. MD’s concern is legitimate and they are serious.
Shielded Guard said "Cyberstalking, just like in-person stalking, has legal consequences, and it’s taken seriously."
From the article they linked:
"Cyberstalking is when a cybercriminal uses email, direct messaging, or other electronic means to harass, scare, or threaten someone with physical harm. It takes different forms, including:
Tracking someone’s online activity or physical location
Stealing someone’s identity for financial gain
Making death threats or other overt threats of violence
Blackmailing a victim using personal information or photos
Making false accusations about a victim online
Doxxing a victim by publishing their private information online
Destroying or manipulating incriminating data by sending a virus to a victim’s devices
Posting derogatory statements about a victim publicly
Posing as a victim online to cause harm to their life or career
Sending threatening doctored photos or deepfakes of the victim or their family
^^^^^^ Which one of these things have we done? Please do post our comment and explain without ChatGPT generated words why it constitutes cyberstalking. Only thing you could claim is "making false accusations about victim online" and even then, we're not accusing, we're just speculating what the deal with Shielded Guard and Persistent Quill is. Who btw have blocked almost everyone in this comment forum but is still posting comments and replies. They can voluntarily leave.
If we're posting "derogatory statements", please point them out specifically. Have no idea what could be considered a "derogatory statement".
Other than that, I think we're good! No cyberstalking here, please go back to your scheduled program!
Nothing to add for now, the time, space, and energy I would need to detail all of my thoughts on all this exceeds every limit presented to me here. I need to see the story to completion before I make any final judgements. It did some things that I thought were genuinely interesting and praiseworthy at first and then began to fumble the bag with stupid plot devices and, well, mishandling the things it’d been doing well at first.
Look. If you’re into rape/non-con that’s fine. If you’re into the toxic shit that’s fine, so long as you understand that that is, in fact, what you’re reading. I’ll self-disclose and say I, too, enjoy those things (in a purely fictional context). But the fact that I am seeing several people in these comments trying to argue that what Jaekyung is/has been doing throughout this Webtoon WASN’T rape is deeply, deeply concerning to me. Usually I would blame the author for framing things in such a way as to make things ambiguous for reasons that have little to do with the story. But it is not the case here. Jaekyang is a wealthy man with status and power, physical and otherwise. He used those qualities from the get go and all throughout the Webtoon in order to get Dan, someone in a ridiculously desperate financial situation and with no leverage of his own to have sex with him. That is the gross abuse of power being used to coerce someone otherwise completely unwilling to have sex with you—that is rape. And it is a real and horrific thing that happens ALL the time in reality.
So don’t come at me with “technicalities” about this shit just because it’s fiction or whatever the fuck, because some of y’all aren’t talking about this as if it is, some of y’all aren’t applying nuance to this for the sake of having a worthwhile conversation. It’s genuinely scary to me that some of you seem to be unaware of the precise nature of what is going on here. Not that you’re reading the Webtoon, but that you don’t seem to be understanding it. It’s emblematic of many cultures’ poor sex ed and poor attitudes towards sex and consent. Because I don’t think anyone who has been educated enough should be able to walk away from this being unable to distinguish between rape and actual, consensual sex, especially when it is as clear-cut as it is here. I DO have to worry about how you guys would react to hearing someone in your real life in this kind of situation, or, and I hope it is never, ever the case, YOU being in this situation. Would you excuse it? Because you “agreed” to it? Would you relentlessly blame yourself like Dan does? Would you really be able to articulate your experience to get the help you need? Would you be able to respond well to someone else in this situation?