I see that you (ChatGPT) see how I have been more than willing to be civil elsewhere with other people. I'm offering you one more olive branch before I completely quit engagement with you. I have already given you my terms for continued engagement. Stop using ChatGPT. I cannot have a real discussion with ChatGPT aided messages, ChatGPT is not a good tool to use for complex discussions such as these, nor for any discussion between people, period. It doesn't have a good working "memory" and you have to supply it with far too much context in order to make its messages make sense in the broader context of the conversation. It breaks down when you feed it too much data, I know that from experience, and I know that a vast majority of my responses have too much going on in them for ChatGPT to properly handle. It's in both of our best interests, but especially yours, to stop using ChatGPT. It is genuinely making you incoherent and it is very strongly dissuading me from engaging with you.
Look, if you're a non-native English speaker and you're worried about being misunderstood or coming across wrong, I understand that. It doesn't really change that right now, I think that you're very wrong, and that you haven't said anything to really make me believe otherwise, but I can understand being worried about properly communicating. My friend tells me that DeepL is a good translation tool that you can use. Feel free to type in your native language and translate it, or just do your best with English, I will try my best to in good faith interpret what you're saying, and ask questions where I think something is unclear, as I've been willing to do elsewhere. But I seriously can't continue to talk to you while you're using ChatGPT. It honest to god gives me a goddamn headache with all the noise that it's adding to your responses, not to mention, because it can't account for context, your responses have been lacking substance altogether.
I don’t address anyone in this comment, and it was intended to be my last. Was the reply ‘see page two of this thread, I completely picked them apart’ in response to my decision to stop talking to Akaito?
Regarding the comment that followed, I see no productive value in it. It seems to be a tantrum about ChatGPT, filled with assumptions, baseless accusations, and aggressive claims. If it was meant to pick someone apart, it wasn’t me, and it didn’t contribute constructively to the discussion I wanted to have. Akaito has never seen me.
I am willing to give anyone a second chance. But are you?
I explained to give understanding, yet you kept your assumptions “I see that you (ChatGPT) “
That was uncalled and this is not going to work if what I said is dismissed. My messages are coherent, and I believe there might be some stigmatization or assumptions affecting how this is being interpreted. l've noticed some personal attacks and unfair judgments in the responses, which makes it hard to have a constructive conversation.
I have to read the terms again but I will add some of my own because I prefer a respectful discussion which o don’t feel many of your comments have not being respectful. You want to be treated like a human but I feel you did not treat me like a human.
I will use ChatGPT again, if you continue to attack me.
You had two paragraphs. I don’t agree with your opinion on ChatGPT. I am seeing many assumptions and what you are thinking isn’t correct in how we use it. Your first paragraph had me strongly dissuading me from engaging with you. BaileyBot is only here to harass us and spread falsehoods. It is a sock puppet of a hate group that is targeted and harassing many people.
Your second paragraph… the first part seem caring. Then I am reminded what has been shared with you and that should getting you an idea of why ChatGPT is used. With that being said… “you're worried about being misunderstood or coming across wrong, ”. I could come off aggressive or confrontational but many times I don’t mean it the way it sounds.
“I think that you're very wrong, and that you haven't said anything to really make me believe otherwise, but I can understand being worried about properly communicating.” Is this about using ChatGPT. Is so, that’s your opinion but I understand you don’t have the full picture and keeping your assumptions instead of the truth.
At the moment, I believe you are under many assumptions and it feels since you kept them, you want to believe you are right in those assumptions about other people’s actions regardless of what they explained to you. That is unfair. I think you are unfair with ChatGPT and I understand you are misunderstanding what is happening and what has happened. In understanding that I am giving you a chance.
“I will try my best to in good faith interpret what you're saying, and ask questions where I think something is unclear, as I've been willing to do elsewhere.””
That is another one of the reasons I am writing this reply to you. But things like this “It honest to god gives me a goddamn headache with all the noise that it's adding to your responses, not to mention, because it can't account for context, your responses have been lacking substance altogether.”
You are personally attacking me when I know it is a baseless accusation. Why do you want to attack someone and pick them apart. And on assumptions.
Which one is it Akaito? Are you going to give me a real chance as I am with you? Or keep your assumptions and personally attack me with more baseless accusations? Calling me ChatGPT and other things says I feel you are not going to give me a fair chance or be civil to me. I had enough of people harassing my friends and me.
Honestly, you accused me I will stalk you and you have treated me awful yet you think I am in the wrong for using tools to help? Do you care to reread some of your comments to me? I have never attacked you or anything negative yet you have me to be the enemy with a death sentence when my only “crime” is using a tool where you have degraded me, attacked me, made baseless accusations, name called, incited I would stalk you. Many people would not gave you a second chance. It should be me laying down terms instead of you but I am saying clean slate. The choice is yours. You can’t control others but you can control yourself. Your behavior is on you. How you treat others is on you. Your judgements say more about you than the one you are judging or attacking.
You're right! I'm not giving you a second chance, your attitude is fucking annoying.
I'll be honest, I was aggressive with you at first because not only did I find your responses to be repulsive, but also because I did immediately have the feeling that I was speaking to someone generating responses rather than someone actually using their own words. Hence why my first question to you was: are you a bot. After you clarified that that wasn't the case, I proceeded to treat you like you were a human—one that I disagreed with strongly, and one that was not actually engaging with my points. One that I thought was arguing in a very soulless way about something so incredibly personal, so incredibly important, like rape and sexual assault. I went out of my way to explain how you were coming across, not just because I wanted to be a little mean, and I'll admit, I did want to be a little mean, but because I wanted you to know and understand how you were sounding so that you would have the opportunity to change tactics.
Several times I asked you clarifying questions, not because I was trying to be annoying or shut you down or immediately just to prove you wrong, but because I was trying to understand where you were coming from, because I was having genuine trouble understanding where you were coming from and why. So that I could more accurately respond to what you were saying. Almost every single time I did this, and explained MYSELF thoroughly, you responded by only continuing to point out the logical fallacies I was supposedly falling into. You never explained why you were thinking the way you did, you never clarified your definitions of things up until the very end when you FINALLY provided resources with quotes which decidedly proved you wrong, you only continued to say that I was wrong without providing any evidence from the text of Jinx itself. And I asked you several times to please do that. Because I sincerely wanted to understand you. Of course I became frustrated. How could I not become frustrated when I am earnestly trying to engage in a topic that I am very invested in and care a lot about, and the person I am talking to keeps just telling me I'm wrong without really explaining why, and on top of that they keep throwing at me, at the end of their ChatGPT generated messages, useless platitudes about addressing the "substance" of a conversation with no substance, about being respectful? It's only natural.
You had several opportunities throughout our conversation to clarify that you were using ChatGPT. I didn't know for sure that you were using ChatGPT up until the moment you made your big blunder, and I thoroughly, thoroughly picked it apart. And instead of you finally just being upfront and honest about it, instead of you finally agreeing to stop using the tool, you decided to come at me from an alternative account of yours, continuing to do pretty much the same thing. Why why why why WHY on god's green earth would I try to continue being civil with you? Why would I not disengage at that point? Why wouldn't I think negatively of your use of it? Why wouldn't I think that you were using it for deceptive purposes, at the very least, when you didn't inform me that you were using it, and then continued, in multiple other posts, to try to act like you WEREN'T using it when you, in fact, were? Like you do understand that it's incredibly abnormal to use ChatGPT to have a conversation with another living, breathing human being, right? I would have been more than willing to grant some grace if you'd been up front about it from the start, but you weren't. I have several non-native English speaking friends, I understand this shit is fucking hard, I'm the last person who is EVER going to fault you for using tools to make it easier for you. But not when the tools aren't even helping you and are only serving to frustrate further.
Your crime was not just using a tool. Your crime was talking about rape and sexual assault in an insensitive manner. Your crime was not being upfront with me. Your crime was not taking this conversation or any others you've been having with anyone else thus far seriously enough to engage with your own words and thoughts.
Jaekyung raped Dan. ChatGPT is a terrible tool to use to engage in nuanced discussion. If you do not understand these things, I can only wish you luck in this life.
I see deflection “your attitude is fucking annoying.”
My replies are repulsive? Baseless accusations especially compared to Akaito’s. Wait more deflection.
“ I did immediately have the feeling that I was speaking to someone generating responses rather than someone actually using their own words.”
That is inaccurate. Akaito kept their lies.
“ I proceeded to treat you like you were a human—one that I disagreed with strongly, and one that was not actually engaging with my points.”
Akaito never tried me like a human. And I was engaging with their points.
“One that I thought was arguing in a very soulless way about something so incredibly personal, so incredibly important, like rape and sexual assault. “
- I wasn’t.
“you were sounding so that you would have the opportunity to change tactics.”
That is Akaito’s opinion and it is not shared by many.
“Several times I asked you clarifying questions, not because I was trying to be annoying or shut you down or immediately just to prove you wrong, but because I was trying to understand where you were coming from, “
- hard to talk to someone always assuming and attacking.
“because I was having genuine trouble understanding where you were coming from and why.”
-this is the problem that lead to me being attacked and never listened to.
“So that I could more accurately respond to what you were saying. Almost every single time I did this, and explained MYSELF thoroughly, you responded by only continuing to point out the logical fallacies I was supposedly falling into. “
It is called a call out. Using my friend’s words “Calling someone out isn't meant to harm someone–it's meant to point out where someone went wrong in hopes of them correcting themself and apologizing. Being called out isn't the same thing as being attacked. Being attacked is a malicious intent to hurt
Tora called out and blocked on a conversation going nowhere. Isn’t not the same as attacking and blocking. You can’t compare. Can’t you differentiate between a call out and an attack?”
“You never explained why you were thinking the way you did, you never clarified your definitions of things up”
-Aka’s attacks derailed the conversation.
“ FINALLY provided resources with quotes which decidedly proved you wrong, “
This resource decided shows there is no rape in Jinx. I thank Aka proving my point. Nothing would be good enough answer for them. They will make anything wrong.
“you only continued to say that I was wrong without providing any evidence from the text of Jinx itself.
- yikes! A baseless accusation. What?
“And I asked you several times to please do that. “
Aka’s attacks derailed the conversation.
“Because I sincerely wanted to understand you.”
- If that was true we would never got here. Aka would never attacked me.
“Of course I became frustrated. How could I not become frustrated when I am earnestly trying to engage in a topic that I am very invested in and care a lot about, and the person I am talking to keeps just telling me I'm wrong without really explaining why, and on top of that they keep throwing at me, at the end of their ChatGPT generated messages, useless platitudes about addressing the "substance" of a conversation with no substance, about being respectful? It's only natural.”
- that is all baseless accusations.
“You had several opportunities throughout our conversation to clarify that you were using ChatGPT. I didn't know for sure that you were using ChatGPT up until the moment you made your big blunder, and I thoroughly, thoroughly picked it apart. “
- Aka never did pick anything apart. And Aka is keeping to that false narrative. I was not using ChatGPT as Aka excuse me of.
“ you decided to come at me from an alternative account of yours,”.
- I have not responded with my main account. My friend is my friend and not me.
“continuing to do pretty much the same thing.”
-SG didn’t and didn’t even talked to aka. What pathetic behavior.
“
Why why why why WHY on god's green earth would I try to continue being civil with you? “
-continue? Where was civility?
“Why would I not disengage at that point? Why wouldn't I think negatively of your use of it? Why wouldn't I think that you were using it for deceptive purposes, at the very least, when you didn't inform me that you were using it, and then continued, in multiple other posts, to try to act like you WEREN'T using it when you, in fact, were? “
- Huh? What? Aka is not understanding how it is used. I feel sorry for Aka.
“Like you do understand that it's incredibly abnormal to use ChatGPT to have a conversation with another living, breathing human being, right? “
-it is not and I am not using as Aka thinks. Aka the one that never gave me a chance, a living breathing human that tried to talk to them as they harassed me.
“ I would have been more than willing to grant some grace if you'd been up front about it from the start, but you weren't.
-It is irrelevant. What a dumb argument to fighting. It is trivial.
“I'm the last person who is EVER going to fault you for using tools to make it easier for you. But not when the tools aren't even helping you and are only serving to frustrate further.”
- yet I been “picked” apart and bragged happen when all that was said was assume. This means it was not accurate analysis and yet Aka keeps repeating it.
- your crime was talking about rape and sexual assault in an insensitive manner.
- whoa! I don’t. What a disgusting thing to claim.
“Your crime was not being upfront with me.”
- I have been upfront but the reason this is being said. It trivial.
“Your crime was not taking this conversation or any others you've been having with anyone else thus far seriously enough to engage with your own words and thoughts.”
- I take all my conversations seriously. I do use my own words and thoughts. Aka is inaccurate. Aka has this wrong and not listening.
“Jaekyung raped Dan.”
That is an opinion. By facts and evidence Jaekyung never raped Dan.
“ChatGPT is a terrible tool to use to engage in nuanced discussion.”
-trivial and irrelevant as it does not apply here.
“If you do not understand these things, I can only wish you luck in this life”
- I hope aka learns this is not how you treat others. I am a SA survivor and I don’t take this subject lightly. I have always taken my conversations seriously until I know they are in bad-faith. Aka showed they are in bad-faith and nothing they said was honest or correct.
With my friend’s words, I didn’t omitted everything. I left a paragraph that need to be omitted and I thought I did omit it.
I don’t know who Aka is attacking but it is not me or my friends. Aka is taking their anger out on me and my friend but they need to take their anger out in productive ways.
I can only feel sorry for someone acting like that. It was pathetic and disgusting behavior.
chapter 1
- dan witnesses jaekyung uncontrollably beat the shit outta someone off the bat in ch. 1, contributing to preexisting fear of physical violence from him. granted though this was not jaekyung’s intention (debatable honestly) and does also count towards why dan could’ve/should’ve known to say no to the agreement
- jaekyung is just overall physically intimidating whether he’s trying to be or not. this isn’t his fault but there’s no question that he uses this to try to get his way in situations
- uh. dan was hired as a pt. not even by jaekyung himself but by his manager? ch. 1
- dan is there for the conversation about jaekyung having knocked the previous pt out. point for he should’ve/could’ve left earlier, but also point for jaekyung (inadvertently here, granted) using threats of physical violence to intimidate, which could contribute to a coerced yes later
- dan comes to the conclusion that if he doesn’t do well, he will have physical violence used against him. jaekyung’s manager basically confirms this saying as long as dan doesn’t do anything to get on his nerves, he’ll be fine
- dan has a history of being physically abused, as such he will do anything he can to avoid it happening. that said jaekyung doesn’t know about this at this point (ch. 1)
- personally this…i feel like jaekyung picks out dan as his next target precisely because he’s a “little wimp” as he describes him after that first sesh
- as stated before dan is having to work multiple jobs to maintain himself which again highlights the sheer power differential between these two (can i clarify and say—jaekyung is not solely responsible for the sex being ultimately nonconsenual if that makes sense and i feel like this is what i was really trying to argue. we’ll see)
- dan is just so. self-blaming nothing to do with jaekyung yet but brother
- dan’s job prospects got fucked because of his previous boss, who was caught sexually assaulting him, but ended up getting him fired and spreading rumors about him. this contributes further to how desperate dan’s situation is hence why he is not given a meaningful choice (again, not ALL jaekyang’s fault)
- dan can’t afford to up and move somewhere where he might have better prospects idk how many times ill list down “he doesn’t have a real choice because he’s poor not because of jaekyung specifically although jaekyung doesn’t help”
- dan feeling unsafe everywhere. nothing to necessarily do with anything yet just an interesting detail
- dan is/would’ve been stuck between a rock and a hard place, getting beaten up by the loan sharks or getting raped or assaulted or whatever by jaekyung
- jaekyung lies to dan about his treatment to lure him to his appointment i guess you can argue dan should’ve used his common sense here but that feels victim blamey and if we can critique dan for lying about his experience we can certainly critique jaekyung for lying about why he was calling dan to his house
- dan says no to going to the apartment, jaekyung offers him more money for him to go (bribery more than coercion though lol but…considering that this is kind of a trap,)
chapter 2
- jaekyung…had someone else he was fucking already? who was willing? why switch to dan all of a sudden?
- dan again witnesses jaekyung use an disproportionate amount of physical violence (slamming guy’s head into a wall) AND a death threat against someone because of a slight provocation. again, this counts towards both “dan should’ve known better and left” and “dan likely (rightly) felt too intimidated to say no”
- jaekyung definitely does find dan physically attractive but we still don’t know why he decided to quit his previous partner for him
- jaekyung does try to get a vibe check on what dan might think/how he might feel about being propositioned
- the jinx in and of itself is a fundamentally fucking stupid plot device so let’s start there. we don’t know if it’s real or not we don’t get any real explanation for it other than that it exists. it exists to justify jaekyung’s sex-pesty behavior though, that’s for sure. you can interpret it as also another method of coercion—what he’s saying is that if he loses, it will have been dan’s fault. this of course puts a disproportionate amount of pressure on dan but maybe im getting ahead of myself
- jaekyung physically grabs dan. nothing violent yet though but this is yknow. erm
- jaekyung does indeed give dan the choice to leave if he doesn’t want to have sex But the added consequence is no money. as noted before this guy lied in the first place. also note the language use: “guess you don’t **need** that five grand after all” just…interesting
- again, dan’s circumstances make his yes not a meaningful yes. that isn’t specifically entirely jaekyung’s fault but ***jaekyung does not help.***
chapter 3
ch. 3
- jaekyung does indeed ask if dan has been with a man before. he follows up with “i suppose it doesn’t actually matter.” now again dan should’ve been honest he is responsible for that but also, jaekyung, if he actually gave a fuck, wouldn’t just assume things—especially with the non-answer dan gives, the hesitance he shows
- dan did just lie though. stupid bitch. you could say this counts against him but you could also attribute his feeling of having to lie to not only his own personal psychology but, again, the various shows of violence and intimidation jaekyung had performed beforehand
- jaekyung uses physical force on dan to get him out of the shower and throw him onto the bed after he takes too long in the shower. again dan ain’t sign up for allat. again jaekyung could’ve/should’ve checked in properly here but whatever it’s his character
- threatens to break dan’s ankle when he struggles and asks him to wait
- I GET THIS IS FANTASY BUT I DON’T CARE HOW EXPERIENCED SOMEONE IS YOU DO NOT SHOVE A COCK UP THEIR ASS NO PREP ESPECIALLY NOT A MONSTER COCK. THIS GUY JUST WANTED TO HURT HIM. “DISCOMFORT” DURING SEX MY ASS? NO PUN INTENDED?
- threatens violence again (“if you waste my time like that last little bitch, don’t expect to be sent home safe and sound”) when dan says he can’t actually go through with the sex, prompting dan to think of. the guy getting his face smashed into a wall.
- dan explicitly asks jaekyung “then how do i do this? if you just put it in, i think i’ll tear.” personally i once again think that this should have been a red flag to anyone who cares about the virginal status of their partner but. ok
- jaekyung says “last chance, no more mr. nice guy after this” which is another threat/intimidation tactic. he does tell dan to leave if he can’t handle prep. but this followed after the threat of getting his shit rocked if he’s too slow.
- do you really read all this and then read dan going “well i asked for it” and think “yep he sure did!” and not feel bad. at all. and like something isn’t right here.
- again jaekyung uses physical force on dan when he’s going too slow for his liking
- dan sure does ask for jaekyung to fuck his ass. after being roughly fingered
- dan tells jaekyung that it hurts and asks jaekyung to stop, jaekyung does not stop. jaekyung in fact proceeds to shove dan’s head into the mattress and say, “keep testing my patience, and i’ll smash your head in” followed by “just shut up and take it”
chapter 4
- dan tries to crawl away from jaekyung, jaekyung slams into him
- very hard pressed to read jaekyung’s response here as being one of concern/sympathy (“what the, are you crying? over that? i barely even put it in!”) it is if anything belittling. again dan is responsible for being honest but jaekyung is responsible for creating a space where he feels safe to be honest. besides that, jaekyung would’ve actually asked if he was okay instead of pounding into him
- jaekyung pounds into him, explicitly saying that he likes seeing dan cry, and that the tears won’t make him go easy on him
- jaekyung does…”check in” on dan, dan foolishly says he can take it.
- speaking of dan lying, when jaekyung says he’s had a bunch of cocks before, dan says that isn’t the case
- dan asks jaekyung to be gentler, jaekyung tells him to shut up and then goes harder and even covers his mouth so y’know even if he wanted to say no he couldn’t that’s very consensual to me
several different websites define rape, legally, to involve nonconsensual sexual intercourse (penetration) being done to another person by means of force—force being psychological coercion, threats, use of drugs, and/or use of physical force.
several websites define sexual assault (if/when there is a distinction between it and rape) as generally making contact with someone’s intimate body parts without their consent.
given that jaekyung used deception and intimidation (coercion) before if not also throughout their first interaction with one another, given that jaekyung repeatedly threatened physical violence and also used physical violence on dan, given that jaekyung penetrated dan, and given that dan repeatedly expressed, physically and verbally, his non-consent to jaekyung, only to have them all completely ignored if not responded to with even more threats and/or uses of physical violence—why would jaekyung’s actions against dan in at least these very first four chapters not fall under even the legal definition of rape?
you see, your friend PQ blocked me, so i felt that i should reach out to their friends. i just wanted to ask one more time, given all of this evidence, why they thought that dan was not raped?
"Jinx is non-consensual"
So you're acknowledging that it has rape? Cause that's what "non-consensual" means. Good to know you acknowledge that Jinx has rape! Debate over!
There are several people who simply call Jinx "toxic" and use mental gymnastics to excuse the abuse and rape that Dan DOES go through. I'm actually surprised you claim you haven't seen any of them because I feel like I trip over those people in every chapter's comment section
Can you point out these logical fallacies specifically? Are the logical fallacies in the room with us right now?
Dude Jaekyung literally penetrates Dan while Dan is saying "no". That is the legal definition of rape according to the FBI.
Are the rape crisis counselors in the room with us right now? And do they know the FBI's legal definition of rape? I would think that would be one of the first things they would learn as a crisis counselor.
Also why is it so important to debunk the idea that it is rape rather than sexual assault/non-con? You seem really determined to prove it's not rape. To my mind, that indicates that you love this bl because you're trying to ignore reality and the law to say "oh for sure it is not rape".
Okay so in Jinx, Jaekyung penetrates Dan without his consent. Thus, raping him. Good to see you debunked yourself, yay!
Omg this comment reminded me of something funny. PQ and his alts threatened to report his trolls to the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3). Old man didn't even read the FAQs because IC3 only deals with fraud and scams involving MONEY. Gramps really thought the FBI would GAF about how he was being trolled on an illegal manga reading site.
My good friend @ANG3LG0R3 directed me here and good to see that brain rotting is still alive and kicking. I am so confused on why people go to such lengths to insist that Jinx has no rape. I am also disappointed in general with people about how they seem to think that rape is the worst type of sexual assault period and thus this stupid fictional comic must be defended to the death.
As someone who's experienced a "low level" form of sexual assault that cannot be legally defined as rape and has been traumatized by the experience, I find Persistent Quill to be not only a hack and a lazy writer but also, the point that they are defending is pretty pointless which is too bad because their name is "quill".
Jinx does have rape but if it didn't, I would still find Jaekyung's behavior reprehensible and I would find the people doing backflips to say that he is totally not abusing Dan to be very uneducated people who feel they have to perform social justice in their fandoms to be considered good people which is pretty sad. Just enjoy your problematic fiction and admit it's problematic fiction (with rape) and we are all good!
Anyways, Akaito, you're a real one, stay strong!
BRUH (≧∀≦)
You COOKED and you ATE here. My friend and I have been laughing with joy and glee at your responses because you are in many ways approaching this person as she would if she had an account on here so thank you for that. That really sucks that that happened to you though, man. It is genuinely with people like you in mind that I’m going so hard and I’m glad that I’m (hopefully) doing well in trying to communicate…well, all that I’m trying to communicate.
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I understand that "Jinx" features non-consensual elements, but it's important to recognize that non-consensual acts can encompass a range of behaviors, not just rape."
Let's make it simpler.
Non-consenual is an umberalla term, not just rape.
Rape is non-con but not all non-con is rape.
PQ I hope you look back. Haha.
Aggressor 1 : PQ replies to every comment
Aggressor 2: PQ has not seen it in the comments because I have always seen them.
You cannot have it both ways. And neither is true because PQ is not every comment looks at the topic pages and the aggressor framed it wrong showing their lack of comprehension.
Saying Jinx is toxic does not excuse any abuse Dan has suffered. Same strawman arguments.
Nothing to add for now, the time, space, and energy I would need to detail all of my thoughts on all this exceeds every limit presented to me here. I need to see the story to completion before I make any final judgements. It did some things that I thought were genuinely interesting and praiseworthy at first and then began to fumble the bag with stupid plot devices and, well, mishandling the things it’d been doing well at first.
Look. If you’re into rape/non-con that’s fine. If you’re into the toxic shit that’s fine, so long as you understand that that is, in fact, what you’re reading. I’ll self-disclose and say I, too, enjoy those things (in a purely fictional context). But the fact that I am seeing several people in these comments trying to argue that what Jaekyung is/has been doing throughout this Webtoon WASN’T rape is deeply, deeply concerning to me. Usually I would blame the author for framing things in such a way as to make things ambiguous for reasons that have little to do with the story. But it is not the case here. Jaekyang is a wealthy man with status and power, physical and otherwise. He used those qualities from the get go and all throughout the Webtoon in order to get Dan, someone in a ridiculously desperate financial situation and with no leverage of his own to have sex with him. That is the gross abuse of power being used to coerce someone otherwise completely unwilling to have sex with you—that is rape. And it is a real and horrific thing that happens ALL the time in reality.
So don’t come at me with “technicalities” about this shit just because it’s fiction or whatever the fuck, because some of y’all aren’t talking about this as if it is, some of y’all aren’t applying nuance to this for the sake of having a worthwhile conversation. It’s genuinely scary to me that some of you seem to be unaware of the precise nature of what is going on here. Not that you’re reading the Webtoon, but that you don’t seem to be understanding it. It’s emblematic of many cultures’ poor sex ed and poor attitudes towards sex and consent. Because I don’t think anyone who has been educated enough should be able to walk away from this being unable to distinguish between rape and actual, consensual sex, especially when it is as clear-cut as it is here. I DO have to worry about how you guys would react to hearing someone in your real life in this kind of situation, or, and I hope it is never, ever the case, YOU being in this situation. Would you excuse it? Because you “agreed” to it? Would you relentlessly blame yourself like Dan does? Would you really be able to articulate your experience to get the help you need? Would you be able to respond well to someone else in this situation?