Jinx is very interesting as a plot and it deserves the hype you all wannabe right or idk c...

“Jaekyang wouldn't have been giving up his money for free, he would've already been paying for one service, he then decided to add on another one and then made it difficult for Dan to say no to the additional one because if he said no to that, then he wouldn't even have been able to do the PT work. Am I mistaken?”

I feel Jaekyung is a very critical person when it comes to spending his money. Like I said before, he wasn't aware of Dan’s financial situation. Jk’s source of income is mainly to resolve his jinx before a match. He never needed a physical therapist(he admits in chap 2-3). I understand that getting a job and assigned otherwise can be quite frustrating but it is still a choice to leave or stay. Dan has currently left Jaekyung, did he die?

“Jaekyang did not decide to cut things off after finding out about said financial crisis and did in fact explicitly say something along the lines of "I just bought you with cold hard cash" after paying off Dan's debt. He didn't have to do that. He did that to benefit himself, mostly, with the explicit intention of hanging that over Dan's head. Which is in fact...another coercion tactic.”

You're right. That's a coercion tactic. Jk’s def wrong for that, however, it doesn't change the agreement they had, it just prolongs the act. I also wish Dan should've been more open about what he wanted when they're atleast not having sex. I wished he would've voiced his opinions about the agreement a little better after or before the first encounter. I wish he would've been honest about himself before the agreement, in the sense that Jaekyung won't assume he's already a whore to play with.

“ (though be for real: do you really think things would've gone differently if Dan hadn't lied? we know how much of a sadist Jaekyang is).”

Yes, 100%. If not, why would he ask in the first place? Just look at the way bro fingered the life out of Dan like he's had many dicks before lmao.

“ isn't it equally just as wack that Jaekyang saw how uncomfortable Dan was and didn't try to put more effort into checking in on him more? If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Dan BLEED that first time? Like idk wouldn't that raise some red ass flags for you to stop or take it slow? Especially when the person you're fucking seems so scared and in pain overall??”

I feel you should go read that chapter again. See how Jk notices, what he says, and how he reacts. The dude is rough I swear, he even said it himself “Since you're experienced, I guess I don't have to go easy on you then”. Jaekyung was like why is dude behaving like this? He then proceeds to ask but Dan still says he's okay overall and that's like a leading way for Jk bc he prob cares about resolving his Jinx at that moment. That's basically how he treats his whores. I'm not even sure they noticed he bled. Poor Dan. So yes, Lying was def a huge impact overall.

To simply put it bc I'm feeling sleepy, I'm sorry. Rape could be called sexual assault but not all forms of sexual assault could be called rape. By sexual assault, I mean sexual violence, sexual abuse as the list goes. In my view, consent could be given and taken back and also given again. The treatment Dan receives is abuse, there are also threats but that gets debunked when he asks Dan to leave if he can't take it anymore. Jaekyung was ready, phone in ear to call another. But as expected, Dan stops him.

I don't see that jinx as rape or lack of consent. I see it as a lack of comfort where they agree to fuck but the receiving isn't comfortable in the situation. For example, Dan agreed to have sex but he felt it was risky to do it in the public showers. Do you get it?

Sorry about the late reply, I'm dozing off haha

Beware of talking to Akaito. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16683925/?page=3

They will only use personal attacks, strawman arguments, name-calling and make it look like you are fighting them, with them winning. Tell me how this is a win/lose situation. What?

They claimed this " but the other part of it is i don't want the bot bozo i've been arguing with or anyone else who might disagree with me here to go stalk my other accounts LMAOOO but we'll see. "
That "Bot" aka someone who has a different opinion from them, was seeking meaningful discussion, PQ was not arguing or debating. Akaito tried to force them too. Now Akaito thinks anyone they attack for having a different opinion will stalk them. What?

“ I think it's fucked up to go out of your way to make a distinction between sexual assault vs. rape, especially when the fact is that people can and do like to act like certain acts of sexual violence are more or less harmful than others”

I definitely agree with you. The reason why there's a distinction is to be clear about the crime the perpetrator committed. People need to identify these acts to be sure what the incident implies. It's important to differentiate these crimes accordingly so others will understand what they went through. I can't be calling a red apple a green apple when it is clearly red. All these need to be studied to justify their crimes and to face their judgment accordingly. So yes, there's in fact a distinction.

strawman!

Same I wish mingwa would've expressed more about the characters but I'm sure that would be done in season 2. I also wish mingwa would've been more detailed so a lot won't be perplexed like this. I even wish she gave a warning to know if there's rape and stuff. At the same time, I feel she did this on purpose to keep the audience hooked, there's always drama when there's a misunderstanding and she def nailed it.

Oh no but they seem genuine though. Why does everyone assume you're a bot? You just use really good English and you're a writer right? I can't even talk to genuine people on this site again

Dude please take it from me. I have extensively used ChatGPT, specifically to study how it works and what it’s capable of. They aren’t wholesale using ChatGPT but they are using it quite a lot/quite often, if not with this account then with their other account, Persisten Quill. I can point out the specific nuances to you if you’re interested.

I suppose I understand your perspective but I still feel like it’s off/wrong. I think yeah, of course, there’s such a thing as having sex you come to regret without it necessarily having been forced upon you but…idk for me it’s hard to see Dan’s situation as being merely that, a case of him having sex he consented to but ultimately regrets. It also feel like some of your other responses don’t necessarily account for the bigger picture/bigger point I’m trying to make but I’ll let you off the hook since you’re falling asleep lmao. That said I will reread the beginning chapters again at least and see what I’m missing, if I’m missing anything, and also see if I can articulate what I mean any better.

Because I’ll admit I did binge-read it and, y’know. I generally trust my reading and interpretation skills but I’m not perfect and over the course of the what. Two? Days I read through it maybe I’ve forgotten and mixed up the order of events and whatnot.

@ Everyone, What I said was true. Akaito is mad at my friend who proved them wrong.

Ain't 20-v-1, it's 1-v-20 if I gotta smack niggas that write with you
Yeah, bring 'em out too, I'll clean 'em out too
Tell BEAM that he better stay right with you
Am I battlin' ghost or AI? Nigga feelin' like Joel Osteen
Funny, he was in a film called "AI"
And my sixth sense tellin' me to off him

PQ thought they were genuine too. But Akaito approach has been consistently confrontational, making it challenging to have a genuine discussion. They made claims that PQ was continuous saying Akaito was wrong in think Jinx was rape. That is not how we roll.
PQ was correcting the notion that “Jinx is rape” was the only valid opinion, and it was important to address the inaccuracies without resorting to personal attacks or dismissing other perspectives as uninformed.

It is obvious I am not a bot. What does everyone think that? I would say it is from using ChatGPT as misunderstandings about how ChatGPT works may have contributed to their perceptions, but being called a bot predates when we started to use it. Our goal was to ensure that our communication was precise and free from misinterpretations. So, calling someone a bot that has good points is a way to discredit people. It is a way to know, they know they are wrong about their opinion and don't want to admit it. It could be because they feel intimidated for many reasons.

I tried hard to improve my English. Thanks for saying that. but... how did you know I was a writer. I think you caught me off guard. Finally, someone who can analyze me.
I wish we had more genuine people on this site. Unfortunately, we often encounter challenges in finding genuine, constructive engagement online. It’s always refreshing to find someone who can analyze and address these issues thoughtfully.

@everyone,

I want to address a few concerns that have come up.

Firstly, the use of AI tools like ChatGPT is intended to enhance the clarity and effectiveness of communication, not to deceive. It is completely reasonable for someone to use ChatGPT to refine their messages and ensure they are expressed clearly. Any assumptions that using such tools is indicative of deception are misplaced. We are not using how Akaito is suggesting or the reasons they think we are using it. They are just assuming without asking. They act like it is a bad thing and it is not.

To clarify, the use of ChatGPT began around June. However, both Manhwaspicy and I have known each other since March, and my friend has known them since February. This timeline shows that the relationship predates the use of AI tools.

Let’s focus on addressing the actual issues and maintaining a constructive dialogue. Personal assumptions and misunderstandings are not helpful in resolving our discussions.

reread the chapter. took notes. respectfully, i think you’re full of shit. i will be back here and more articulate when it isn’t 3 AM

chapter…the first 4 chapters.

So as I said I would reread the first few chapters to make sure I wasn’t forgetting, misunderstanding, or misremembering anything. I will be discussing those first four chapters and only those first four chapters, as I haven’t reread and taken notes beyond that, and it became clear to me last night that indeed, I didn’t remember many details as well as I thought I did. I genuinely appreciate you recommending that I go and reread with a closer eye. Before I get into my rereading and notes and further developed and clarified thoughts I will ask 3 (ish) questions first so as to make sure we’ll be operating from the same understandings and/or see where we disagree and not end up talking past each other. I’ll continue to do this throughout the discussion wherever I think it’s necessary and I would appreciate and encourage you to do the same, again, so that we don’t talk past each other because we fundamentally disagree on the definition and/or usage of words, and so we can better understand where we’re each coming from if at all possible.

I also apologize ahead of time for my long-winded responses. Again, I am trying to make sure that I am explaining myself as clearly as I possibly can.

1: What is your definition of rape, what specific contexts would you use the word rape to describe something, and why?
2: What is your definition of sexual assault, what specific contexts would you use the phrase, and why?
3: How recently have you reread the first four chapters?

How I previously defined rape was not by legal terms. I was operating based off of my own understanding of it in the somewhat more colloquial sense, which was the act of penetration against someone’s will. Because I remembered that Dan had been in a poor financial situation, which limited his agency to make decisions without fear of serious punishment or consequence, I felt that though he ultimately agreed to have sex with Jaekyung, he did not necessarily come to that decision willingly and freely—he was not really consenting to intercourse, or would not have consented to it had his circumstances been different. I was less looking at the interaction between Dan and Jaekyung specifically and thinking more broadly about wealth and class, and how a lack of wealth and a lower class status contributes to a limiting of personal freedoms—yes, even the freedom to say no. Besides, Dan was, in fact, penetrated by Jaekyung during their interaction. Further, I felt that Jaekyung had been using coercive tactics to manipulate Dan into sex with him. Coercive sex is, to me, not consensual sex.

I insisted on using the term for several reasons. The first being that in colloquial usage, the two terms tend to be used interchangeably to signify the same thing. The second being because to me personally, the word rape connoted (and still connotes) something more violent and aggressive than sexual assault. Although sexual assault might’ve been the more dictionary/legally accurate term, it felt insufficient in describing the severity of what happened to Dan. Sexual assault feels too clinical compared to the word rape. The distinguishing between the two felt to me like it was implying a difference in severity. This bothered me principally because in the minds of many, the exact terms you use to describe something that happened to someone will “inform” or signal to them how seriously they should take a victim of sexual violence, and I feel that all victims of sexual violence should be treated the same regardless of the perceived/experienced “severity” of what they went through—with understanding and empathy, amongst other things. I’ll admit that this is in part due to the fact that I double-major in English and Creative Writing. I bring this up for no other reason than to highlight that words, and how they are used, are very important to me.

I previously defined sexual assault as being pretty much any other nonconsensual activity that fell just short of nonconsensual penetration. I have already explained why I felt the term was inaccurate.


I perused several websites to look up the legal definitions of both of these terms. I will get into my issue with the reliance of legal definitions and legal definitions alone elsewhere, because I’ve already said a lot here and I feel I can circle back around to it elsewhere. But I want it to be known that this is a point of contention for me. Regardless, according to several websites on American law, rape is defined as nonconsensual sexual intercourse (specifically penetration) being done to another person by use of force. Force is defined as psychological coercion, threats, use of drugs, and/or use of physical force.


Several websites on American law define sexual assault as generally making nonconsensual contact with someone’s intimate body parts, or making someone touch your own intimate body parts nonconsensually. Intimate body parts include breasts/chest, genitals, thighs, butt, etc.

I am happy and willing to work with either the legal or colloquial definitions of these terms moving forward, as my definition and the legal definitions do not and did not seem to differ much anyway. I will clarify when I feel it is necessary to distinguish or highlight when I am using the term legally vs. when I am using it colloquially.

yo

Respect lol

Hey so I’ve reread the first four chapters and have taken notes on them, detailing anything that I think is relevant to discussing whether or not Jaekyung raped Dan that first time. I am willing to share them and open to being told if and where I’ve missed something or misinterpreted something. I would love to share/clarify how I came to my conclusion as well.

I like being accurate and making sure I’m not talking out my ass and also making sure that I’m being clearly understood and that I’m not misunderstanding people!!