Jinx is very interesting as a plot and it deserves the hype you all wannabe right or idk c...

And I can't call someone rapist when he paid for it and the other party accepted it

Doent mean that I support him for how he treats him or anything like that don't mix my words I never said I support what Jk does

I'm really glad that if you encountered someone like Jaekyung in real life and in similar circumstances as Dan, you would be able to say no to his face with such confidence. Me personally though, I understand Dan. If I saw the world's strongest man, an MMA fighter, slam some other dude's face into a wall after a small disagreement, before turning to me and then offering me money in exchange for sex, I might just cave because I would be so scared shitless of having my face caved in as well. And in fact, we do see Dan go through this exact thought process in the Webtoon. So.

It's also like—Dan HAD been trying to make more money, and, I'm assuming also looking into more ways of making more of it. His options were already so limited that he was working MULTIPLE jobs prior to Jaekyung. It wasn't going to save him, even Jaekyung rightly calls him delusional when Dan brings up his plan to slowly pay off his debts. Like can I ask, have you watched Squid Game? And also, answer my hypothetical. If I (ME, not Jaekyung) offered you a drink and I put drugs in it without you knowing and you accept the drink, did you also consent to being drugged? I promise there is a second part to this. Just answer this first one.

Hey have you heard about Jefferey Epstein? What do you think about Epstein's victims? Would you even call them victims?

I'm not intending to put words in your mouth, but if you keep coming up with excuses for what Jaekyung is doing/negating the non-consensual, wildly imbalanced power dynamic of it, then the inevitable conclusion is that you do support what he's doing, or at least, you're ambivalent enough to let it carry on and say that Dan carries responsibility that simply cannot/should not be attributed to him!!!

I genuinely want to ask a question though. You talk about how dan doesn't actually have a meaningful choice but then again, do you just want Jk to give his money out for free?

I also want to clarify that Jk didn't know about Dan’s financial crisis before the agreement. He didn't know he was in debt either. So saying he exploited him or forced him isn't valid at all. He threatened dan and right after he tells Dan to leave(chapter 2-3) mind you, dan still STAYED. Bro literally told Jk after that if he just puts it in that he might tear that he should prepare first.

Not to talk about how dan even lied about being experienced, Jk asked if he was and he lied? Why? Not to even talk about how Jk actually pauses to check on Dan and what does dan say? “No…you just startled me” Huhh? Rape?

Y'all mistake lack of consent for lack of comfort and it shows. If you really take your time to analyse Jinx, you'll find out that a scene explains something and the next action/reaction completely changes everything. Dan had a choice to leave but he stayed. He prostituted himself and that's a fact. He was aware of what he was doing, not to talk about how he even demand more cash the next time after the first.

I think you should stop saying he doesn't have a choice bc in fact, he does.

It's sexual assault. Not rape.

Omg thank you I'm not good with my English but this is exactly what I want to say !

No Dan wasn't scared or anything like that when Jk told him about his proposal ...Dan could just refuse his offer and leave

First no I haven't watched it second of all I wouldn't accept a drink from a strange not even from someone I spoke I few times so what's your point ?

I wish I had come online earlier when all these arguments were going off, you're welcome! Now let me wait for their reply bc I genuinely want to understand how they don't see this.

Domt know shir about thin nor do I care... like dude enough really you make things complicated for no reason the things are simple and clear

I honestly had enough with these people if you see previous comments they ignore some details to make what they say right and idk I find Jinx normal compare to other more popular ones which are worst but idk somehow no one's days anything bad about them ...anyway sorry for my yapping I advise you don't waste your time as I did ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Let me just try to understand @Akaito, they seem genuine.

Well he might be the only one xd

Had to respond to this one real quick: I think a lot of BL and, hell, the romance genre in general, regardless of the sexuality being portrayed, has issues with dealing with consent. This isn't a Jinx problem it's a cultural problem. It has to do with our general attitudes surrounding sex and consent, it has to do with capitalism, it has to do with misogyny and rape culture and much bigger shit than this Webtoon and this Webtoon alone. That is why it is important to me that I get people to understand where I'm coming from when I'm making the arguments that I'm making, it's because I'm worried about bigger things than this, and how it keeps manifesting in our art and culture over and over again. I am worried about how people treat people in real life who find themselves in Dan's situation. Sincerely. I am worried about how the mindset displayed not just here, with Jinx, but with coercion in general, carries over into real life.

1: Never said Jaekyang should give his money out for free although, yes, that would've been the kind thing for him to do. If we start getting into my opinions on the wealthy and wealth distribution and even prostitution and why it exists overall we'll really start going somewhere else. Ultimately I think it's in poor taste to offer money in exchange for doing something so intimate. Especially since, again, like I pointed out (and correct me if I have these details wrong, genuinely) Dan thought he was going to just be doing physical therapy, not sex work in addition. Jaekyang wouldn't have been giving up his money for free, he would've already been paying for one service, he then decided to add on another one and then made it difficult for Dan to say no to the additional one because if he said no to that, then he wouldn't even have been able to do the PT work. Am I mistaken?

2: Those are fair things to point out. On that I will admit you're probably right and I've forgotten some specific details/the specific order of events. If what you're saying is true then yeah, Jaekyang didn't specifically exploit Dan's financial crisis or debt prior to the agreement because he didn't know about it. I still can't rule out the use of intimidation and excessive force both before, during, and after the first interaction, though, and how that played into Dan's (non) choice. And I do also want to point out that, like. Jaekyang did not decide to cut things off after finding out about said financial crisis and did in fact explicitly say something along the lines of "I just bought you with cold hard cash" after paying off Dan's debt. He didn't have to do that. He did that to benefit himself, mostly, with the explicit intention of hanging that over Dan's head. Which is in fact...another coercion tactic.

3: Yeah even I thought it was stupid for Dan to lie in these moments. I don't have anything to say or add to that, bad move on his part, it would've been better if he were honest (though be for real: do you really think things would've gone differently if Dan hadn't lied? we know how much of a sadist Jaekyang is). There's part of me that wants to attribute this to Dan's overall character but honestly this feels like an instance of the author just...doing shit just to do it. That said, I don't know how/why Dan's experience or lack thereof would play into whether or not what he experienced was rape? And also like speaking of this incident overall, while Dan shouldn't have lied, isn't it equally just as wack that Jaekyang saw how uncomfortable Dan was and didn't try to put more effort into checking in on him more? If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Dan BLEED that first time? Like idk wouldn't that raise some red ass flags for you to stop or take it slow? Especially when the person you're fucking seems so scared and in pain overall??

4: To follow the above, consent isn't just about getting a yes and moving on—or at least, that isn't what I think it should be about. It should be about ensuring that everyone is feeling safe and comfortable and is, of course, really sincerely enthusiastically into what's going on. There's a vast difference between getting the jitters during sex because it's your first time or something vs. being afraid you are going to be harmed if you make the wrong move and then acting accordingly. I'm not claiming that Dan had ZERO choice, I'm saying that in the context of everything going on with him, whether they be directly attributed to Jaekyang or not, he does not actually have a real say in the matter. Sure, Jaekyang can't read his mind, and sure, Dan has a responsibility to speak up for himself to ensure his own safety—but Jaekyang is also responsible for helping to create an environment in which Dan feels safe enough to do that. I do not believe that he did that or even really tried at any point. I'm not saying Dan was completely unaware of what he was getting into, I'm saying that there was one thing he agreed to (sex) and other things he did not agree to (violent, aggressive sex). I've even said that with regards to their initial making of the deal, if you don't want to call THAT specifically rape, that's fine. It is a messy situation that ultimately does lie in a grey area and there are a lot of complex factors at play. But certainly after that, things, for me, become increasingly unambiguous.

What is your definition of sexual assault, what is your definition of rape, and why, in this discussion, is the distinction a worthwhile one?

Well you shouldn't take seriously something that isn't real because all people that read it have in mind that it isn't real story

Like look I'm sorry for the long paragraphs I just feel like I really want to make sure that I'm being clear and explaining myself well. I'm going to be honest I'm going to bat so hard for this because I see these kinds of arguments used against real life sex workers as a way to demean them and say other horrible shit about them, about how they ultimately deserve any treatment they get because "they can just find another job" and "they signed up for it." No. No one signs up to be abused. I think it's fucked up to blame those people for abuse they get instead of blaming their abusers. I think it's fucked up to try to dismiss the harm because they "willingly" signed up for the job. I think it's fucked up to go out of your way to make a distinction between sexual assault vs. rape, especially when the fact is that people can and do like to act like certain acts of sexual violence are more or less harmful than others "depending on the circumstances," that people who experience certain things don't deserve to feel traumatized, don't deserve to be upset about what happened to them, because they "asked" for it. There are a lot of people who really truly do sex work completely willingly and of their own volition. Then there are a lot of people who are in Dan's position, who do not have many if any other viable options for work, who end up turning to sex work and experience horrific shit because of it. And since we're here talking about a BL, it should be known that queer people—queer kids, especially, who have been kicked out of their homes for their identities—are ESPECIALLY more likely to go into sex work, and ESPECIALLY more vulnerable to the sexual violence that often comes with it.

These characters are fictional. I know that. I'm not stupid. I know Dan is not a real person with real agency and real thoughts and real feelings that can really be hurt. But the story that this thing is portraying IS real, to an extent, and the way that you think about this IS real, and the messages it sends out to people IS real. I don't know your attitudes on real life sex workers. I'm not claiming that this is how you think about them, I don't know, I can't actually claim that. But the responses to this makes me worried. That is all. I am just worried and frankly a bit sad at the idea that you might look at people in real life going through something like this and think to yourself, "well, it's sad, but they signed up for it, so."

I want this story to have been about something real. I wanted it to be. Genuinely I "enjoyed" it at first because of what felt like a realistic, more than believable portrayal of an abusive relationship, of the abuse of wealth, status, and power that so often occurs between those with those things and those without it. I don't hate this Webtoon for portraying the relationship it's portraying, I hardly hate it at all, I'm just disappointed. And even then I am genuinely willing to see how it plays out because I'm curious, I want to see if and how the author can manage to properly handle this guy's inevitable redemption arc. I am again, principally concerned with how it's being received.

If you don't understand any of what I've said here then I can only really hope someone or something else, a person or time or experience, that is a better teacher than I am, eventually changes your mind. I don't really know what else I can do to convince you or how I could communicate what I mean any better than this.