weird.

He is not a rapist if you can't understand what you read just say so

Idk about yall but i thought the definition of rape was forcing someone to have sex with u w/o proper consent or putting them in a position where they cant reject sexual advances… so if jaekyung isnt a rapist are they just having normal healthy sex then

Strawman argument and dismissing sexual assault, sexual coercion, and other forms that can’t be label as rape.

An attempted rape is sexual assault and not rape. Is an attempted rape a normal healthy choice?

Jaekyung is a sexual abuser. Since you know the definition of rape and understand how that definition debunks rape in Jinx.
However.Dan can always say no. “no one is ever required to have sex with someone. “ The contract doesn’t hold up.
Please look into sexual assault and sexual coercion.

Just shut the fuck up if that's what you're gonna use as an excuse to say he is not a rapist! Trying to explain what is or not rape leaving just the rape behind... Girl you're out of your damn mind!
Dan was FORCED to have sex with Jaekyung multiple times and this shit about "Dan can always say no"!!? Do you not understand the power dynamics that was developed here?

I appreciate your passion and concern about the sensitive topics we are discussing. Your attacks and trying to silence other is unwarranted and disrespectful. Please be respectful. Your behavior is not tolerated and will not change the fact there is no rape in Jinx or would you silence my voice or the facts.

Your recent response seems to misunderstand and misrepresent the points I was making about the manhwa "Jinx." I’d like to clarify a few things:

Firstly, distinguishing between rape and other forms of sexual misconduct is not the same as dismissing the severity of those actions. An attempted rape is indeed a serious form of sexual assault, but it is legally and definitionally distinct from rape. Acknowledging this difference does not minimize the harm or wrongness of the behavior; it is simply about being precise with terms.


Regarding your point about power dynamics, I completely agree that they play a crucial role in understanding consent and coercion. However, my statement about Dan having the ability to say no was intended to highlight that, despite the power imbalance, consent is still a fundamental aspect of any sexual interaction. The presence of a power dynamic complicates consent, but it does not negate the need for it.

Your aggressive tone and use of strawman arguments detract from the important discussion we are having. Rather than attacking, it would be more productive to engage in a respectful dialogue where we can explore the complexities of these issues together. Stop silencing voices that is different from your opinion for distorting facts from the story.

The criticism should be based on a fair representation of the story and the arguments presented. Misrepresenting facts or resorting to ad hominem attacks does not help in achieving a constructive conversation.

I hope we can move forward with a more respectful and nuanced discussion. Dan can always say No. That quote I used is from a website about sexual coercion. You attacked me for telling the truth.

The truth doesn’t change from your attacks.

Also, your behavior is counterproductive to your stance. It is abusive. Dan can always say no. The contract doesn’t hold up. I am saying factual statements. Your behavior was wrong.

“Stop silencing voices that is different from your opinion for distorting facts from the story.”
Maybe it would be better to say “stemming from distortion facts from the story. “
Bc this “Dan was FORCED to have sex with Jaekyung multiple times” isn’t the right details of Jinx. If taking scene by scene and the whole story that is there that statement isn’t accurate.

When people excessively criticize or misrepresent a story because they dislike it, it can be driven by various factors:

1. **Bias or Prejudice:** They may have preconceived negative opinions about the genre, themes, or specific elements of the story.
2. **Moral Outrage:** They might find certain aspects of the story offensive or problematic and react strongly against it.
3. **Confirmation Bias:** They selectively focus on aspects of the story that confirm their negative views, ignoring positive or neutral elements.
4. **Trolling or Malicious Intent:** Some might deliberately exaggerate or misrepresent aspects of the story to provoke reactions or discredit it.

This behavior, often referred to as **"bad faith criticism"** or **"trolling,"** can hurt people and deflect from constructive dialogue. It's important to recognize and call out such behavior to maintain a respectful and honest discussion.

Genuine question tho why does the exact term matter? as you were saying it’s technically isn’t rape but that doesn’t dismiss the severity of the abuse, why are you so hellbent on convincing everyone that ? Does it actually matter if people think this is rape or not i mean it doesn’t change a thing.

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**Genuine question tho, why does the exact term matter?**

Would you call a square a rectangle just because they both have four sides? Exact terms matter to ensure we understand the distinctions between different concepts. I am done vs I am finished. But refer to the same thing and used interchangeably. But to be more specific, It is cakes, bread, and food are done, we use finished when we eat something.

**As you were saying it technically isn’t rape, but that doesn’t dismiss the severity of the abuse.**

This is a strawman argument and doesn't correlate with my points or the facts I presented.

**Why are you so hellbent on convincing everyone of that?**

Another strawman argument. Why are you so intent on convincing me with your logic and assumptions by using fallacies?

**Does it actually matter if people think this is rape or not? I mean it doesn’t change a thing.**

Another strawman argument. Most of the people who hate this story claim it's rape to provoke others or due to trolling or biases. Those who genuinely believe it is rape have their opinion, but usually, they don't force others to see "Jinx" as rape or that person will be something negative (using ad hominem arguments). However, from a legal standpoint, this story can't be classified as rape as it doesn't fit all the criteria.

It does matter if it is rape or not, and it does change things. An attempted rape is different from a completed rape. Some people might consider an attempted rape as rape, but legally they are distinct.

The distinction between different forms of sexual misconduct is crucial for several reasons:

1. **Legal Definitions:** Legal definitions matter because they determine how actions are categorized and prosecuted. While attempted rape and sexual assault are severe and reprehensible, they are legally distinct from rape, which has its specific criteria. Understanding these distinctions is important for accurate discussions and advocacy.

2. **Accurate Representation:** Misrepresenting the events in "Jinx" can lead to misunderstandings about the story and its themes. It’s important to critique and discuss the story based on what actually happens, not on exaggerated or inaccurate interpretations.

3. **Constructive Dialogue:** Using precise terms helps maintain a constructive and respectful dialogue. Mislabeling or exaggerating elements of the story can lead to strawman arguments and detract from meaningful discussions about the real issues depicted in the story.

4. **Contradictions and motives** Saying "Jinx" has incest contradicts the story and the term. People who have read and understand the story would know this person has not read it or/and is causing problems. The problem here is people have their own meaning of rape that is far from the definition or confusing SA as rape. And “Jinx has incest” does demonstrates the person’s motive and their knowledge on terms.

I didn’t dismiss the severity of the abuse in "Jinx." I'm advocating for accurate representations and discussions. Misrepresenting the facts can lead to unproductive and hostile exchanges, which ultimately silences differing opinions and hinders understanding.

When people excessively criticize or misrepresent a story because they dislike it, it can be driven by various factors (like saying "Jinx" has rape due to malicious motives, I am not talking about genuine reader):

1. **Bias or Prejudice:** Preconceived negative opinions about the genre, themes, or specific elements of the story.
2. **Moral Outrage:** Reacting strongly against aspects of the story found offensive or problematic.

3. **Confirmation Bias:** Focusing selectively on aspects that confirm negative views, ignoring positive or neutral elements.
4. **Trolling or Malicious Intent:** Deliberately exaggerating or misrepresenting aspects to provoke reactions or discredit the story.

This behavior, often referred to as **"bad faith criticism"** or **"trolling,"** can hurt people and deflect from constructive dialogue. It's important to recognize and call out such behavior to maintain a respectful and honest discussion.

I hope this clarifies my position and why accurate terminology and representation matter in our discussions. Your comment had many strawman arguments, which shows you didn’t read/understand my comments, and your topic that is misrepresenting the details in Jinx that followed indicates bad faith criticism It is sexual assault, and your topic only proved sexual assault, not rape.
Dan can always say no. He needs to be clear to Jaekyung. Why do you seem hellbent to make this story rape to where you are using logical fallacies and forcing your views. Objective reporting means what I am saying is not my opinion. It is just being honest and factual.

Firstly, please take a shower and find a hobby. You have way too much free time to responding to these ppl's comments with fcking essays.

Secondly, regardless of its grape, SA, or wtv, the dynamic is unhealthy and abusive towards Dan. It's not a relationship that should be praised or romanticized. You tried your BEST to give every excuse or explanation for the sick plot because honestly I think you feel targeted as you probably like the abusive sh*t we continue to see in BL. You're sick mindset is one that should not be expressed as openly and probably proudly as you are now. No one agrees that Jaekyung can be redeemed and that their relationship should continue. Only sick, horny or fetishists like yourself approve this sick sh*t which is why you try to excuse it with every possible reason you can find under the fcking sun.

GO OUTSIDE, GET SOME SUN, AND A MF THERAPIST U SICK FCK!!!

Thank you xx

If you're gonna sit here and disregard the toxic relationship Jaekyung has built with Dan then you're a sick fuck who fetishes this nasty and trashy tropes bc u just love seeing 2 men fucking. We can call a jaekyung a rapist, sexual assaulter, abuser, wtv term actually fucking processes ur mind that the man is past redemption and should either be killed or put in jail honestly gn

I appreciate that you feel strongly about this topic, but your response contains personal attacks that are neither constructive nor respectful. This behavior only describes how you handle different situations or the truth. Let's keep this discussion focused on the issues at hand rather than resorting to insults and immaturity. Such behavior is counterproductive to your stance and reflects more on you than on me.

Acknowledging that "Jinx" involves unhealthy and abusive dynamics does not excuse or romanticize those behaviors. Rather, it provides a basis for a nuanced discussion about the story's content and its implications.

Critiquing the story for its portrayal of toxic relationships is valid, and I agree that such dynamics should not be praised or romanticized. However, it's important to engage with the material honestly and accurately, without misrepresenting the facts or attacking others.

If you would like to continue this discussion respectfully, I'm open to hearing your perspectives. Let's aim for a productive dialogue that considers the complexities of the issues at hand. Stop the strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks. Resorting to toxic and immature behavior indicates a lack of a valid argument.

How you treated me was sick. People who like "Jinx" aren’t sick and they are allowed their opinions. Stop harming people and silencing perspectives that are valid. Your toxic behavior is never justified. For the record, I never even shared my personal opinion about "Jinx."

Thank you.

Your arguments are full of strawman points and personal attacks, which are neither constructive nor respectful. It seems you are attacking people to make them feel wrong to feel better about yourself because you have a miserable life. You pretend to have a moral compass, but your comments contradict that. This behavior is deflection.

People who read and enjoy "Jinx" are not necessarily fetishizing it. There's a clear distinction between real life and fantasy, and people are allowed to appreciate different tropes in fiction. However, your toxic behavior and attacks on real people are far more harmful than anything a fictional character like Jaekyung does.

Jaekyung is a sexual abuser in the story, and no amount of toxic behavior from you will change that. What is more concerning is your willingness to attack real individuals over fictional content. Unlike Jaekyung, who is not real, you are targeting real people with your harmful comments.

Instead of using personal attacks, consider engaging in respectful and meaningful discussions. Your current approach is not only counterproductive but also reveals a lot about your character. If you care about addressing issues of abuse and toxic behavior, start by examining your actions and how they affect others.

Thank you.

LMAOOOO i can't take u serious when u talk abt a fucking fictional story like its a topic in a college lecture. for one, imma act however i wanna act towards someone who openly expressed they like an abusive and toxic relationship such as the one portrayed in Jinx. There's been countless moments where Jaekyung has used sexual manipulation to get what he wanted out of Dan pushing him and his body to extreme limits that were beyond healthy or okay. of course, u can like what u like but if its something as unhealthy and frankly disgusting as their dynamic then im going to happily let you know that you're most likely just as disgusting. i won't treat you with the respect your asking for bc of this so paint wtv narrative abt the story and me that helps you sleep. my opinion won't change and i'll continue to express this to you and every other jinx fan that y'all need genuine help to see that stories like these should not seen as "cutesy" or "loving" relationships WHICH IS WHAT MY ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS ADDRESSING!! and p.s. i doubt u take actual showers

“That man is past redemption and should either be killed or jail honestly.”

He isn’t. There are stories that is more toxic than this one and the seme has been redeemed. Jinx is in the shallow end of the water pool. You are overly criticizing him. And since you are attacking real people to even changing what they said to attack what does this say for you? That just give you one option instead of two, right? Since you are being worse than a fictional character attacking real people with strawman arguments.

I think you showed my point.
You don’t see the real Jaekyung and you have your own version of him. You are ignoring many aspects of the story to harm others who doesn’t ignore the facts.

Why are you so overly critical or making the story more toxic than it is.



1. **Bias or Prejudice:** Preconceived negative opinions about the genre, themes, or specific elements of the story.
2. **Moral Outrage:** Reacting strongly against aspects of the story found offensive or problematic.

3. **Confirmation Bias:** Focusing selectively on aspects that confirm negative views, ignoring positive or neutral elements.
4. **Trolling or Malicious Intent:** Deliberately exaggerating or misrepresenting aspects to provoke reactions or discredit the story.


You have shown your have preconceived notions about the genre and the fans of said genre. You have moral outrage to where you are harming others. You have shown confirmation bias. You have malicious intentions.

Your comment is filled with personal attacks and unnecessary hostility, which detract from any valid points you might have. Engaging in such behavior is not only immature but also unproductive. Let's try to focus on a respectful dialogue.

Firstly, discussing a fictional story like "Jinx" in a detailed manner is no different from analyzing any other form of media. People are allowed to enjoy different genres and themes in fiction without it reflecting their real-life values or behaviors.

Secondly, you accuse me of supporting toxic and abusive relationships simply because I read "Jinx." This is a strawman argument and a misrepresentation of my stance. Acknowledging the unhealthy dynamics in the story does not equate to endorsing them. People can like this story and that does not mean they support it in real life. You have lots to learn grasshopper.

Your aggressive tone and personal insults, such as implying I am "disgusting" or doubting my personal hygiene, are baseless and inappropriate. These attacks do not contribute to a constructive discussion and only serve to reflect poorly on you and shows you lack any valid arguments.

If you truly care about addressing the issues of abuse and toxic behavior in fiction, consider discussing them without resorting to personal attacks. Constructive criticism and respectful dialogue are far more effective in promoting understanding and change.

I hope you can approach future conversations with more respect and maturity. Thank you.

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u saying "i've seen worse" in ur other comment as some sort of argument is actually insane. if everyone thought like that with every problem in society we'd be fucked. imagine taking ur logic and going up to a woman whose been abused and saying "well, i believe he can change ("be redeemed") because i've seen worse cases." it completely disregards the person's experience and in the case, my opinion. secondly, nowhere in my ORIGINAL comment that i attack or degrade anyone for liking the story i simply stated my opinion which was that i think its ass. now is u and everyone else commenting and arguing against my opinion not what u just told me not to do to u. thirdly, as long as yk that the story shouldn't be endorse then i could honestly care less if u like to read it or not. Not once in my ORIGINAL comment did i make a judgement on other ppl who enjoyed it. I only insulted u and the others once u decided to take time out of ur day to conjure up some bullshit reasonings bc idk what u felt offended or targeted by MY opinion. i honestly don't think ur hearing urself but honestly idc anymore bc i dont know u or care to know u so gn

i hope my new reply wasn't too "rude" for u but vulgar language is how i communicate. if i were to say "delusions" instead of "bullshit" would that be better terminology for u? this argument is rlly silly and over with

Yeah and guess what he is paying Dan for that he was very clear from the beginning and Dan accepted ...now if you delusional wannabe right people lmao wanna believe whatever you want to make your point right the idgaf but it won't change the fact that isn't true