Consent. (debunking thier post)

You just ignore the fact that he pays for sex? Like if Dan didn't accept the money none of this would happen no one cares he that he need the money no one's gonna do charity without getting anything in return

I understand your comment. I understand you are asking about how Jaekyung pays for sex. Which is wrong and prostitution. I don't understand why you are saying this to this comment. I don't think she is ignoring it but rather it does not relate.
I think the point was missed. we can not say Dan would had said no if he didn't needed money.

Prostitute exist you know but Why would Dan accept his offer if he didn't need the money ?

oh you are talking about " There would be nothing to report." The original topic said sexual harassment. She was saying there will no sexual harassment to report via Dan. Not the other ukes.

if Dan said no and JK just moved on, there might not be grounds for a formal complaint or legal action.

Dan can report Jaekyung wanted transactional sex. but he would have no evidence and it a man in debt needed money who is accusing a famous rich athlete of wanting transactional sex.

Dan likes him.. Read chapter 1. Then chapter 41?

chapter 41 is correct. I can point out other chapters

The op to the other topic ( https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16642521/) said

"Don't engage with them. This is the same person with mutiple account just trolling and saying a whole lot of nothing using chatgpt. Just block or ignore them."


That is a lie. We are not the same people. They are talking about the wrong group. What they said fits the aggressors beside the trolling comment, No one is trolling here. the aggresssors claim they are trolling but they are harassing others.

We are saying a lot and they feel threat. It is sad what people will do when they know their opinions are wrong. They can't counter what was said by my friends they have to pretend they said nothing.

We both know Green was saying if Dan didn’t accept the money nothing would happen for Dan to report. So She didn’t ignore anything but was accused of overlooking JK which her comment had nothing to do with JK’s previous sex “relationships”.

Many people do charity and get nothing in return.

It is odd you said it was prostitution and the message to this was prostitution exists you know.
Those two replies to Green and you were weird.

I am going to post what I said to the other topic which they could not counter anything I said.

People with biases will believe lies and praise those who write opinions that match their own instead of the real story.

Despite presenting facts to counter the misinformation, I was accused of being a bot and blocked because they couldn't counter my points or those of my friends. It's sad to see lies being praised just because they align with certain biases.

1. Understanding Consent and Dan's Situation: It’s true that consent should be enthusiastic and given freely. However, Dan’s situation is complex. While it’s clear that Dan is in a difficult position due to his financial desperation, it's also important to consider his emotional state and personal history. Dan is a survivor of sexual abuse, which profoundly affects his relationship with sex. This background makes his situation different from a straightforward case of consent. Which is the main argument in the topic that cannot hold water to this story as it dismisses most of the facts of the story.

2. Dan’s Feelings for Jaekyung: The comment seems to overlook that Dan has a complicated emotional attachment to Jaekyung. Despite his financial desperation, Dan’s feelings for Jaekyung play a significant role in his decisions and actions. This emotional dynamic adds layers to their interactions, which might not be immediately obvious but are crucial to understanding the full picture.

3. Dan’s Choices and Agency: While Dan’s choices are influenced by his need for money, it’s also important to recognize that he does have a degree of agency in his decisions. The narrative explores how his personal feelings and past trauma intersect with his current situation, making his responses to Jaekyung more nuanced than simply a matter of exploitation.

4. Misinterpretation of Abuse and Exploitation: The comment suggests that Jaekyung is purely exploiting Dan, but this view might oversimplify the complexities of their relationship. Jaekyung’s actions are indeed problematic, but the story portrays a more intricate interplay of power, emotional connection, and personal history. The dynamics between Dan and Jaekyung are intended to be explored deeply rather than viewed in black-and-white terms.

Understanding these nuances can provide a more balanced perspective on the characters and their interactions. The story delves into complex issues of consent, power dynamics, and personal history, and it’s important to consider these factors when discussing their implications.

The main topic dismisses many aspects of the story to make a biased statement rather than trying to understand the story and characters. Also, this topic hasn’t been mentioned in the last few pages. It is odd to address something that is not being addressed like it has been currently happening.

chapter 1
- dan witnesses jaekyung uncontrollably beat the shit outta someone off the bat in ch. 1, contributing to preexisting fear of physical violence from him. granted though this was not jaekyung’s intention (debatable honestly) and does also count towards why dan could’ve/should’ve known to say no to the agreement
- jaekyung is just overall physically intimidating whether he’s trying to be or not. this isn’t his fault but there’s no question that he uses this to try to get his way in situations
- uh. dan was hired as a pt. not even by jaekyung himself but by his manager? ch. 1
- dan is there for the conversation about jaekyung having knocked the previous pt out. point for he should’ve/could’ve left earlier, but also point for jaekyung (inadvertently here, granted) using threats of physical violence to intimidate, which could contribute to a coerced yes later
- dan comes to the conclusion that if he doesn’t do well, he will have physical violence used against him. jaekyung’s manager basically confirms this saying as long as dan doesn’t do anything to get on his nerves, he’ll be fine
- dan has a history of being physically abused, as such he will do anything he can to avoid it happening. that said jaekyung doesn’t know about this at this point (ch. 1)
- personally this…i feel like jaekyung picks out dan as his next target precisely because he’s a “little wimp” as he describes him after that first sesh
- as stated before dan is having to work multiple jobs to maintain himself which again highlights the sheer power differential between these two (can i clarify and say—jaekyung is not solely responsible for the sex being ultimately nonconsenual if that makes sense and i feel like this is what i was really trying to argue. we’ll see)
- dan is just so. self-blaming nothing to do with jaekyung yet but brother
- dan’s job prospects got fucked because of his previous boss, who was caught sexually assaulting him, but ended up getting him fired and spreading rumors about him. this contributes further to how desperate dan’s situation is hence why he is not given a meaningful choice (again, not ALL jaekyang’s fault)
- dan can’t afford to up and move somewhere where he might have better prospects idk how many times ill list down “he doesn’t have a real choice because he’s poor not because of jaekyung specifically although jaekyung doesn’t help”
- dan feeling unsafe everywhere. nothing to necessarily do with anything yet just an interesting detail
- dan is/would’ve been stuck between a rock and a hard place, getting beaten up by the loan sharks or getting raped or assaulted or whatever by jaekyung
- jaekyung lies to dan about his treatment to lure him to his appointment i guess you can argue dan should’ve used his common sense here but that feels victim blamey and if we can critique dan for lying about his experience we can certainly critique jaekyung for lying about why he was calling dan to his house
- dan says no to going to the apartment, jaekyung offers him more money for him to go (bribery more than coercion though lol but…considering that this is kind of a trap,)

chapter 2
- jaekyung…had someone else he was fucking already? who was willing? why switch to dan all of a sudden?
- dan again witnesses jaekyung use an disproportionate amount of physical violence (slamming guy’s head into a wall) AND a death threat against someone because of a slight provocation. again, this counts towards both “dan should’ve known better and left” and “dan likely (rightly) felt too intimidated to say no”
- jaekyung definitely does find dan physically attractive but we still don’t know why he decided to quit his previous partner for him
- jaekyung does try to get a vibe check on what dan might think/how he might feel about being propositioned
- the jinx in and of itself is a fundamentally fucking stupid plot device so let’s start there. we don’t know if it’s real or not we don’t get any real explanation for it other than that it exists. it exists to justify jaekyung’s sex-pesty behavior though, that’s for sure. you can interpret it as also another method of coercion—what he’s saying is that if he loses, it will have been dan’s fault. this of course puts a disproportionate amount of pressure on dan but maybe im getting ahead of myself
- jaekyung physically grabs dan. nothing violent yet though but this is yknow. erm
- jaekyung does indeed give dan the choice to leave if he doesn’t want to have sex But the added consequence is no money. as noted before this guy lied in the first place. also note the language use: “guess you don’t **need** that five grand after all” just…interesting
- again, dan’s circumstances make his yes not a meaningful yes. that isn’t specifically entirely jaekyung’s fault but ***jaekyung does not help.***

chapter 3
ch. 3
- jaekyung does indeed ask if dan has been with a man before. he follows up with “i suppose it doesn’t actually matter.” now again dan should’ve been honest he is responsible for that but also, jaekyung, if he actually gave a fuck, wouldn’t just assume things—especially with the non-answer dan gives, the hesitance he shows
- dan did just lie though. stupid bitch. you could say this counts against him but you could also attribute his feeling of having to lie to not only his own personal psychology but, again, the various shows of violence and intimidation jaekyung had performed beforehand
- jaekyung uses physical force on dan to get him out of the shower and throw him onto the bed after he takes too long in the shower. again dan ain’t sign up for allat. again jaekyung could’ve/should’ve checked in properly here but whatever it’s his character
- threatens to break dan’s ankle when he struggles and asks him to wait
- I GET THIS IS FANTASY BUT I DON’T CARE HOW EXPERIENCED SOMEONE IS YOU DO NOT SHOVE A COCK UP THEIR ASS NO PREP ESPECIALLY NOT A MONSTER COCK. THIS GUY JUST WANTED TO HURT HIM. “DISCOMFORT” DURING SEX MY ASS? NO PUN INTENDED?
- threatens violence again (“if you waste my time like that last little bitch, don’t expect to be sent home safe and sound”) when dan says he can’t actually go through with the sex, prompting dan to think of. the guy getting his face smashed into a wall.
- dan explicitly asks jaekyung “then how do i do this? if you just put it in, i think i’ll tear.” personally i once again think that this should have been a red flag to anyone who cares about the virginal status of their partner but. ok
- jaekyung says “last chance, no more mr. nice guy after this” which is another threat/intimidation tactic. he does tell dan to leave if he can’t handle prep. but this followed after the threat of getting his shit rocked if he’s too slow.
- do you really read all this and then read dan going “well i asked for it” and think “yep he sure did!” and not feel bad. at all. and like something isn’t right here.
- again jaekyung uses physical force on dan when he’s going too slow for his liking
- dan sure does ask for jaekyung to fuck his ass. after being roughly fingered
- dan tells jaekyung that it hurts and asks jaekyung to stop, jaekyung does not stop. jaekyung in fact proceeds to shove dan’s head into the mattress and say, “keep testing my patience, and i’ll smash your head in” followed by “just shut up and take it”

chapter 4
- dan tries to crawl away from jaekyung, jaekyung slams into him
- very hard pressed to read jaekyung’s response here as being one of concern/sympathy (“what the, are you crying? over that? i barely even put it in!”) it is if anything belittling. again dan is responsible for being honest but jaekyung is responsible for creating a space where he feels safe to be honest. besides that, jaekyung would’ve actually asked if he was okay instead of pounding into him
- jaekyung pounds into him, explicitly saying that he likes seeing dan cry, and that the tears won’t make him go easy on him
- jaekyung does…”check in” on dan, dan foolishly says he can take it.
- speaking of dan lying, when jaekyung says he’s had a bunch of cocks before, dan says that isn’t the case
- dan asks jaekyung to be gentler, jaekyung tells him to shut up and then goes harder and even covers his mouth so y’know even if he wanted to say no he couldn’t that’s very consensual to me

several different websites define rape, legally, to involve nonconsensual sexual intercourse (penetration) being done to another person by means of force—force being psychological coercion, threats, use of drugs, and/or use of physical force.

several websites define sexual assault (if/when there is a distinction between it and rape) as generally making contact with someone’s intimate body parts without their consent.

given that jaekyung used deception and intimidation (coercion) before if not also throughout their first interaction with one another, given that jaekyung repeatedly threatened physical violence and also used physical violence on dan, given that jaekyung penetrated dan, and given that dan repeatedly expressed, physically and verbally, his non-consent to jaekyung, only to have them all completely ignored if not responded to with even more threats and/or uses of physical violence—why would jaekyung’s actions against dan in at least these very first four chapters not fall under even the legal definition of rape?

you see, your friend PQ blocked me, so i felt that i should reach out to their friends. i just wanted to ask one more time, given all of this evidence, why they thought that dan was not raped?