disappointment.

Bro you can only get married when of age so idk how that would be pedophilia

It's because of their mental age difference. Although I do get your point about her being of age someday, I still feel uncomfortable about the fact that if you add his age from when he was alive to his new life, he's basically triple or quadruple her age. It doesn't matter to me if she turns into an adult some day, the fact that he's much older mentally just doesn't bode well, in any case.

That's ageist though? Don't you think?..and that it is too much to even define pedo based on the number age of mind alone, you must not confuse it we only use the numbers because in general as a member of our species, younger means inexperienced, naive and easily influenced.

If humans are born with maturity and intellect fully developed, age wouldn't even be a measure of how we define pedo it's a matter of maturity and the nature of the relationship....people should have freedom who they love as long as both parties are of age and attained proper (to make your statement even worse the reality of this world many people just age and don't even mature properly. We only use age to assume maturity which is highly unreliable) maturity where the relationship they established is based on mutual respect and recognizing each other as equals and individuals with their own thoughts feeling valued in the same measure.

Pedophilia and grooming is the exact opposite....power play rules it and is run by manipulation....that in context alone is evil.

you lost me at ageist, I will be honest that I skimmed through your explanation after that. But their relationship is different? The girl doesn't know that he is an adult man in a child's body, imagine not knowing that you're marrying yourself to an 80yo man as a 20yo?

This also makes him very much older than her in age and maturity, which is very important when it comes to relationships, even those that are legal despite age gaps. The main character also expressed awkwardness on the prospect of accepting a 14yo girl's feelings because he is aware of his age, which should have been enough.

To add to this, if he met her while she is 14yo, and he did, he basically saw her grow up, which makes the relationship weirder. Viewing her as a child because she is a child, watching her grow up, and then marrying her? Is weird.

Also, you explaining how maturity cannot be defined by age alone is true, but that doesn't erase the fact that this man have went through much more than her, and is therefore good context about his self awareness, which even he, again, expresses in one of the chapters.

I think I explained it properly when I mentioned recognition and respect meaning honesty and sincerity is present. You assumed a lot of things to support your "claim" that the protagonist and the said character are marrying each other I have yet to see that in the comics or if there is any reference do refresh me I likely would have forgotten....an it has been consistently shown that he is not interested.....and yes to settle what I meant regarding views....there is nothing wrong with a 20 yr old and 80 or even 800 yr old entering a relationship as long as there is maturity, sincerity, communication and respect. Being against it even after having the said qualities is infact AGEIST......both are consenting adults that made mature decisions and they are free to do so and to find fault in it is discrimination and a trespass on their liberties.

Watching the other person grow up and it being weird is a matter of preference and is irrelevant to the logic of how their relationship should be seen you might find it weird yes but is it really relevant? If both parties are fine and fully understands the nature of their relationship is it truly wrong?

Pedo and grooming are wrong not because it is weird it is wrong because it is rooted in manipulation and blatant disregard to the liberties and possibility of choice of the minor, to make sense it is the taking of the mental state of an underdeveloped person and trying to mold it to fulfill a selfish desire that is fundamentally evil. Not how weird it looks like. It's literal mental imprisonment and depravation.

And again maturity is a state of mind Imagine a setting involving a 500 year old god of youth with a mind and a demeanor of a 12 year old ...falling in love with a 30 year old person.....and the 30 year old agreeing justifying they are of age since they are older? Is this pedo?

The answer is freaking yes and they are definitely a creep.

"nothing wrong" with a 20yo marrying a 80yo? I GET what you mean about sincerity, but what you said by EQUAL standing requires not just maturity but age, you cannot call it equal if one person LACKS the experience an 80yo person has over a 20yo. You're completely missing the point, yes pedophilia and grooming are rooted in manipulation, but those are rooted in the experience the other has over the naive. Nativity isn't just innocence, it is also inexperience that comes with being younger.

I think you defending a 20yo being with an 80yo is concerning, honestly problematic. You view people by "maturity" but lack the capacity to view it in a sense of experience that comes with age, you call me ageist for calling out pedophilia? And use vocabulary such "our species" a common trait shared by incels to call women as "females", which is concerning, though I know it's an assumption on my part; but the way you're still adamant in protecting this relationship, even going as far as saying that a 60years age gap is ok, between a 20yo, recently turned young adult mind you, college age, marrying a grandpa? That's enough proof about your morals.

I'm not ageist, you yourself is just a creep.

What's so hard to understand man. He's a full on grown and old adult who according to the other user marries the girl who's much MUCH younger in age than him.
How is that acceptable?? You go on a rant bout ageism this ageism that and honestly I WOULD'VE agreed if the age diff was like one was 22 and other was 25-26 or sum BUT they share a whole couple of decades age difference.
Why do you think ppl don't like it when a 19 yr old dates a 25yr old but accept 30yr old w a 35 yr old?? It's because the difference in maturity lvl in the first scenario is much higher than the latter one. So does our mc n that girl.
It's not that hard to accept that it's weird for mc to marry a woman who has much lower maturity than him. It is not ageism, it's just facts and you just don't seem to understand it.

I laughed hard in ageism part, I didnt know that this exist. But seriously, its weird how authors like to push a child to a man when they can introduce more mature women into him someday.

Creep? The only creep here and problematic are people who are trying to interfere with two consenting adults practicing their liberties and freedom as two mature people. Who are you anyway two be against of what they want to be and prevent them from being so? Its their goddamn right to do whatever they want to as long as they are not hurting anyone.

The ONLY POINT HERE:

IF TWO MATURE ADULTS WHO ARE WILLING AND AWARE OF THE VERY NATURE AND GAP OF THEIR AGE, UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, AND ARE ENTERING THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP....THEY CAN DO SO HOWEVER THEY WANT.

YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

you are starting to sound like an unhinged dictator trying to proclaim a law against something you don't have full comprehension of.

You just don't like it and you plainly admited it that you are AGEIST and you are one of the problems why couples with big age GAPs are shamed.

AND Again MATURITY IS NOT ONLY MEASURED BY TIME. You keep equating OLDER means more mature and experienced a 20 year old can be more experieced and an expert than a 40 year old it depend on many factors specially the manner of how they used their time in this world.

Like for example you. Its neigh time you expand your narrow thinking. and use your limited time to stop being a BIGOT.

Being a BIGOT is sad because you judge everything with your limited range refusing to accept that there are other thing aside from what you see on your line of sight....it isolates you and makes you angry all the time....all I can feel is pity when I encounter people like you....cause man that must be exhausting.....specially when the solution is simple....all you have to do is look around and try to understand.

PS: you saying that I am problematic "because I said two mature adults of very vast age gaps being in a relationship is not wrong".

Ironically makes you look very prejudiced and problematic.

When it only meant "two of age and mature people entered a mature relationship"

It just happened that they have a huge age gap.

Yes it is ageist to be like that it is not a joke. I agree with you though that authors tend to fetishize this specific theme which I detest too...because statistically this type of relationship is not common specially with society's stance on this matter....comics and other media always almost fail to present properly.

God the things I would be a keyboard warrior for just to combat bigotry....I don't even like huge age gaps the thought of it gives me the shivers. But It is our duty as human being of capable mind to understand.......

I've seen 30yrs olds dating 50yr olds....these people are inlove living their lives happy and helping the community....

you say a 20 year old and and an 80 year old is so wrong in that story if its a 20 year old dating a 2000 year old vampire why does it even matter? If they are aware of the circumstance?

Is it a matter of manipulation? Couples with no age gap can do that and it happens all the time in abusive relationships.

You people make it seem that couples that have no age gaps in an abusive relationship is still more acceptable than couples with huge age gaps that are in a loving and respectful relationships.

This story could've lived without romance, the character themselves expressed how wrong it would be for them to accept the girl's feelings because of said age gap, the very obvious fact that she's 14 right now and he's a grown man, and that he basically watched her grew up. I have no qualms with age gaps in loving relationships, but there are moral limits. You can't sum it all up to just love.

Did you even read the comics? She was not even part of the protags adventures. He just knows she exists...and I am jus speaking if it ever did become a romance....my point still stands 10yr or 2000 yr age gap? If there is no grooming happened and both parties are mature and aware of their circumstance and still decided using BOTH OF THEIR FREE WILL.....they can do what they want.....prejudiced people can keep their opinions to themselves.

The only moral limit is if any of them acted in violation of their free will or instances where actions that leads to dramatic influence on the person's psche aka. grooming this also includes deceit...so if the said person became aware of the circumstance have attained reasonable maturity and have willingly accepted it as their reality.....they have the right to pursue whatever they want.

I am not aware of how it ends in the novel but to put it short if the character did not know they are marying an 80 year old and the protag still proceeds.....then thats effin disappointing and disgusting...not because of the age but because of the deceit.

Yes I did read the manhwa, till the latest episode when I read it before going to the novel to check, if you read my comment fully maybe you would've connected that. Also, "prejudiced" really? Being an older person, watching a 14yo girl grow up and then marrying them IS weird. Yes age gaps can have healthy relationships, I agree with that, but it's weird how you can watch a kid grow up and then date them, like you were old when they were a kid and practically watched them as their guardian. I didn't bother reading your two other comments because you clearly didn't read my og comment till the end. You're weird. I am not prejudiced, you just tolerate pedophilia under some guise that you're fighting for age gap relationships having the possibility of being healthy, which I never said couldn't, the circumstances in this manhwa is just different from what you're saying.

Dude don't respond to the sicko. It's obvious that person has some screws loose in their head. If you keep engaging with them, you'll only get annoyed.

For real HAHAHAHHAHA

That person seems to have atypical perception of things.

Watch them grow up? Did they live together? Did they go about the world as student and teacher? Did he go about preying on her? Its easy to use logic....the dude did not pursue her as a child...she just now her when she was child. That is no different from a 30 year old marrying a 50 year old.....cause the person was 10 when the other was 20.

Yeah 20 year old marrying 80 is pedo.....you people cannot even be specific with your logic its already laid out and I am clear with my statement if she is aware that the dude is 80 and she is on her right mind and still went for it...she can do however she wish.

You sir certainly have no use of yur logic and your code of ethics is only within what you find palatable to your narrow mind.....atypical is not the word its logical....people should have freedom and comfort of how they want to live in this world as long a they are not hurting anyone and are contributing to society......I don't have screws to tighten cause clearly my mind is sound enough to dicern this. you can call me names all you want just because you cannot think further from what you can feel...but its not my fault that you lack the understanding to comprehend this.....as a human you have that responsibility....if the girl is 20 and aware of all the circumstance and still went for it to pursue what she thinks is good for her....she can however she wants........you guys just went and impose that its a "moral" responsibilty just because you find the age gap too big to be palatable....well if they both want it and they are on their right mind went for it and you found the idea as immoral....if we applied logic there you guys are the immoral people willing to deny and shame people just because their choices are unsavory in your views. In short you are PREJUDICED and are BIGOTS....plain and simple