hate him all you want, lil bro is such a well-written character

wwwkrj July 21, 2024 2:54 pm

wow was that scene well done. it's refreshing(?) in a way to see rape scenes being portrayed so emotionally desperate like this. it's usually all those stupid possessive rape bs that's distasteful even for someone like me who tolerates/likes non-con.

like rape/SA is not being used for some cheap plot. in fact, it's the result of fked up lil bro's character development.

now that is how you write characters. i already can't wait for this author's next work, hope they have a MC like lil bro here, or maybe even give us a sequel on his story and redemption.

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    sid-chi July 25, 2024 1:55 am

    I am here from this author previous work, and the writing and character development is just amazing altogether, like I could identify all the fases a sexualy assaulted person goes through (like the character was just inexperienced but it fits so much how it was healing from child abuse that it actually helped me a lot to process and reflect on myself) trauma and character development is obviously a thing this author pulls up really well, like I was worried that she couldn't "break the cicle" as her previous work didn't detail the growth of mc after his decision to break it was made but I see this work on the other hand is totally centered around it

    yanayo July 28, 2024 3:44 am
    I am here from this author previous work, and the writing and character development is just amazing altogether, like I could identify all the fases a sexualy assaulted person goes through (like the character wa... sid-chi

    Same! I like this author's approach in ouroboros and here. I'm so tired of the flippant and rather cheap way rape/SA gets deployed in so many "mature" BL. It's not like everything needs to be super deep and weighty, but it's more interesting to me to see consequential emotional drama that doesn't feel melodramatic or stereotypical.

    sid-chi July 28, 2024 10:11 am
    Same! I like this author's approach in ouroboros and here. I'm so tired of the flippant and rather cheap way rape/SA gets deployed in so many "mature" BL. It's not like everything needs to be super deep and wei... yanayo

    Yeah, I feel that in most cases the authors of these mangas are people who don't do a lot of reflexion on what they went trough or what they are trying to depict,
    They put it in their work cuz it's a part of themselves they can't ignore or even something they find "normal" (like some people think your boyfriend beating you is normal....a argument gone wrong, or even cheating "every man is like that" and so on)
    On the end of the day if you are not conscious of your feeling and don't understand what you are going trough you can't never make a realistic character (like if you can't understand yourself how can you invent a entire person who is not yourself) the same with world building, like if you can't understand your words, species and so on you won't be very good at inventing new ones
    That's why I always learn a lot and love to exercise my knowledge at analyzing fiction (let's just pretend it is helpful for my major so I feel less guilty ok?)

    wwwkrj July 28, 2024 11:12 am
    Yeah, I feel that in most cases the authors of these mangas are people who don't do a lot of reflexion on what they went trough or what they are trying to depict,They put it in their work cuz it's a part of the... sid-chi

    It's good to always analyse the media we consume, that's critical media literacy and it goes beyond fiction. I study Language & Linguistics and analysing media in all its forms is a crucial part of what I learn. So please take this openly when I say that your thinking of attributing every author's work as an "extension" of themselves is dangerous thinking. Also realistic ≠ good. There have been many great works from past poets and writers that wrote based on their internal conflict (opinions, beliefs, emotions, etc.).

    The fact is, most manga/webtoons aren't created for deep thought. A big lesson in critical media literacy is figuring out who/what the intended audience is (context & intent) and genres also play a huge part in that.

    Most manga/webtoon creators don't go beyond the purpose of creating an entertaining work that will sell nor do they think much of the underlying politics their work might send. Of course we will find rare works like this that shows that the author put great care and thought into writing a profound story. But that doesn't mean we can generalise "bad" authors, nor can we say they are what they write.

    If you don't understand/agree with a story, it's best to just leave and forget it. I get what you're trying to say, and I partly agree. But really, you can reflect on "bad" stories but don't try to psychoanalyse its author, you're just digging a hole for yourself.

    sid-chi July 29, 2024 2:42 am
    It's good to always analyse the media we consume, that's critical media literacy and it goes beyond fiction. I study Language & Linguistics and analysing media in all its forms is a crucial part of what I l... wwwkrj

    My major is for now medicine and after I will do psychiatry and then neurology, so for me everything human created has humanity and their creator in it, even math, everything is related to one another, nothing exists in the vacuum, as a linguistics you study how certain pattern in language change and follow generations, places, cukture and events in humanity history per example, the same way a person way of speaking tells a lot about her (tho obviously nothing is black and white, this or that)
    but you are right realistic isn't equal good, and good authors study what they are trying to pass on and don't rely on personal experience, BUT I stand with the fact that if you are emotional immature you can't depict a good character, even if it is a light story, one way or another your immaturity will show as inconsistency in your work,
    And of course I don't think just because a author is good at representing something they are emotionally mature or that they went though it, it's more the whole picture
    This author per example, it's not bc he is good at it that I think he has real life experience with it but because it's a recurring theme, and not only that but the pattern of thinking of his characters do resemble each other, and they resemble the thinking and pace of a person who grew up with a specific type of trauma what is common since most authors tend to not go far from their own pattern but in his case they kinda complement each other, even tho I can see he did study other patterns
    I always try to think of a story as a word apart first (since I want to enjoy the story as it was intended too) but specifically for stories of authors who didn't study nor put a lot of effort into building their creations they always end up using their imagination, experiences and so on as base what TO ME it can be distracting if is not consistent (obviously a good author or even a more experienced one will not self insert themselves their morals and so on but create a word based on their personal experiences)
    In the end it's like I said, if you don't understand yourself and the things that revolve you, you won't be good at writing it nor new stuff
    (like world building, if you didn't do your research on acting and rely in your vision as a outsider or in your breef acting as a child, or worse in stereotypes it will show, and even if you are trying to do a light romance where the acting world is not the focus, your intended sweet hardworking character will seem like a condescending bitch or a diva by things like being a newcomer and only greating people she personally knows and people above her, being late, and so on, of course a lot of readers will not care and just let it pass but others will feel before rationalizing the inconsistency and this ends up taking away from the story and instead of thinking your character is sweet she will be seen as annoying, like there is whole genres of "villainess on top" where this kind of specific inconsistency is being questioned, or even being mocked of, a lot of genres who become popular end up dying cuz of this too)

    sid-chi July 29, 2024 3:25 am
    It's good to always analyse the media we consume, that's critical media literacy and it goes beyond fiction. I study Language & Linguistics and analysing media in all its forms is a crucial part of what I l... wwwkrj

    Additionally I have to say that most things I read are light Comercial things, made as simply distractions, rarely I am in the mood for something heavier or more complex, and I am passionate about over analyzing things, but most of the time I don't want to over analyze my fluffy romance or slice-of-life, in any story a author should be able to submerge us in their world, one thing is me or other people relating to the character, learning from them, reflecting and so on, other very different is a plot hole/inconsistency that makes me stop and think if it makes sense or not, or if I can make it make sense, like a caracter acting in a certain way that made me stop and think "why" when it was not intended to, in some cases it can give me a new perspective of the character or where the story is going to and so on, but other times it is just annoying and it can get too inconsistent for me to enjoy the story if I take that plot hole in consideration (like a grape/side character suddenly crush in mc/ beach episode/bad fanservice out of nowhere who doesn't lead to nowhere, that is never going to be mentioned again.....it immediately makes the author seem cheap, and leave the readers thinking if they should just ignore it)

    wwwkrj July 29, 2024 7:47 am
    My major is for now medicine and after I will do psychiatry and then neurology, so for me everything human created has humanity and their creator in it, even math, everything is related to one another, nothing ... sid-chi

    Yes but my point is, we don't know the author. You can analyse a story and all its elements, but psychoanalysing someone you don't know is pointless. What you are trying to critic is writing style, but then you use that to assume an author's personal character. Is that fair? To use someone's emotional maturity to judge their technical writing abilities?

    I never disagreed with your points about creative writing and literary analysis, again I am just kindly telling you to not go down the rabbithole of psychoanalysing people you've never met. Since you plan to study psychiatry, you should know there's rules to psychoanalysing no? There's ethical guidelines and standards to be followed. It's not a hobby you can do to random people, especially if you're going to share it on the internet where your audience could be uninformed people, or worse young uninformed kids. You might not think that far yet, but because this is literally my area of study, I am telling you that rabbithole ultimately leads to censorship and fascism.