Sorry y'all

You just don’t know what a good story is even when you read it

Can you tell me what about jjk is so good then? And why i should care about a story that not even the author cares about?

Okay, I will hit every point you make in 5 minutes.

1.)he’s not a bad storyteller, if he was he wouldn’t have anime of the year, and wouldn’t be with shounen jump…

2.)The fights aren’t boring, I’m pretty sure once they get animated they will take over the internet,

3.) What important lines did they drop out of no where, literally every line that they dropped was because of a reason.

4.)it actually was multiple fights, but the reason this fight span for 35 chapters is because they’re fighting the boss monster, and they have to weaken him to be able to defeat him.

5.)a binding vow doesn’t need to be shown, when Miwa or what’s her name with sword made a binding vow she just said I’ll never wield a blade again, and it didn’t do shit. So like I don’t know what point that is.

6.)Every thing that Sukuna does follow the universe power system, he hasn’t pulled no type of strings to win. He’s just really good at manipulating the system to get the affect that he wants. Think of Sukuna as a billionaire while everyone else is millionaires and Gojo is a multi millionaire. The billionaire will know how to make more money to profit his self.

7.) Gege does care about the story and the direction it went to was obvious to defeat Sukuna. Everything built up to this moment.

8.)JJk better than AOT, in my opinion I just couldn’t get into it, especially the power system

I liked this comment by mistake, sorry, you are absolutely wrong.

i just read your description and i think i js fell in love with you. no just kidding but i mean it when i say that i like the way you perceive certain things. it’s rare seeing ppl like you on this website lmao

You are right and explained it in an objective way, while those die hard fans are always subjective and think saying "this Manga is good because it is popular" is an argument - embarrassing. If people just had the slightest knowledge of story telling, they would know, that this Manga objectively became progressively worse because nothing makes sense anymore, the timing/length is insufferable and Gege just pulls out random, flawed as well as illogical explanations out of nowhere with way too much text during a fighting scene while sacrificing good characters as plot devices. "show not tell" is an important rule every author knows but this Manga has completely abandoned it. People can like it but they should stop saying it's objectively good when it's obviously not.

Thank, you for taking the time, i appreciate that. This reply will be long.

1. Being popular has nothing to do with storytelling. Apart from shitty stuff also being popular, a piece of media can be popular for other reasons like the characters.

2. Animation is a different medium than drawn stuff. Other people work on it, there may be differences. Maybe the fights will be amazing, but the fights i am seeing right now are nor doing it for me and I will only judge that and not the potential of its adaptation.

3. I will be honest, I haven't memorized every line that had no real explanation or impact.
What stuck with me was yujis binding vow because it's not him who told us and we do not know the conditions. Considering this gives him a power up in the fight I find this to be rather lack luster. I want to understand what's happening in a fight, not being told that stuff is a certain way.

4. I have read and watched a lot of stuff where the final showdown was paced much better and not so drawn out.
To put things into perspective: a manga I am currently reading has nine chapters in one volume. Jjk itself has already one full volume ONLY about this fight and another where half of it is about the fight. And this is only up to part 13 of this fight!!! Meaning you can expect at least another two volumes for this fight. I think three and a half volumes MINIMUM for a boss fight is kinda much. Never seen something like that.
Also, the length is the least of the problems here!
Like I said, the pacing is off. Now, I am not a action pro so I cannot comment on the fights themselves but in general you cannot let something go on for too long. People need to wind down so they can become invested again. Personally I think this should be especially true in action. Action is tense, but if the same thing has been happening for months, the reader doesn't care anymore. You cannot keep up the attention and investment for that long when you never get a break to go back into the fight.
Every shounen I've ever consumed has done this.

5. Yeah, that's my point tho. Miwa told us. She did. Yuji didn't. Sukuna did. And miwa is a minor character, this was only important to get her out of the fight. But IN the fight you have to explain stuff.

6. My point was more about the way the fights happen. Instead of letting fights happen on screen, sukuna explains what he did. That's unsatisfying.
E.g. I knew for years that gojo was gonna die (lovely jjk fans and their spoilers) and I didn't care about his character. Yet when he died, I was upset because it was so unsatisfactory. Gojo was about to win, next chapter and cue a happy scene indicating he dies. He lies dying on the floor and sukuna explains how he did it. But why wouldn't you let me SEE it.

7. Yeah but what's the end goal of the story? A general theme? Something gege values as an author?
Normally a story has this, giving you an idea for how things will go. Obviously there are plottwists and all but a good author will make them fit with their vision.
I'm sure gege has SOME vision, but it's not one I can see and looking at thd comments I'm not alone.

8. You are free to have your opinion. What do you mean by "never got into aot", did you simply not like it or not continue with the story?
And if you didn't like the "power system" that's one thing, storytelling is another. Cause I'll tell you one thing, the manga of aot has trash art at least in the beginning but the storytelling is masterful. And that's my main point.

I am very honored by your words

Yeah totally. Exactly my point. I understand that some people just can't let it go because they fell in love with the story and that makes it hard recognizing its flaws. But it's so okay to like stuff even when it's not perfect or gets worse with time. No point in pretending it's better than it is.

I’m going to skim I can’t lie
1.) JJk is popular for a reason, though mostly every manga and anime enthusiast agree that gege story telling skills are great because of the fact it goes outside the realms of shounen jump anime.

2.) The fights that you’re seeing right now are smart logic, for instance if you was to fight the last villain in a video game, would you not be spamming moves? That’s literally what they’re doing, and they’re also making sure they can at least save Megumi instead of killing Sukuna and him both.

3.) Binding Vows don’t give power ups, that’s not what they are for. They make you weaker in other areas to increase the area that you want to increase. Yuji binding vow is just him making cleave/dismantle target the barrier between Sukuna and Megumi Soul, that’s really nothing special. The only thing really special about Yuji is Black flashes, other than that, I think the reason you don’t like it cause Yuji don’t show how special he really is. He’s not thinking long term, but short term like Miwa when she used hers against Kenjaku.

4.)Literally JJK is a fighting manga, umm… the length and pacing is great, and the aspect which they introduce are amazing because of the fact that it reuses old characters and make sure there isn’t a ass pull just randomly. Like Naruto for example, uses power ups from he sosp and god aliens. Or dragon ball for example, writes characters out of stories, etc. This battle been going on for months because of the fact the Villain is that strong, if Goku team fought against Goku, how many chapters do you think that will take to beat him? Everything is as realistic as it gets with a human mindset, and most of them are spammers like Sukuna with the world cutting slash, and most of them are just trying to get the opponent low enough to win, without sacrificing Megumi.

5.)Yuji don’t have to tell you, if Sukuna told the audience? That’s kind of pointless for Yuji to also say, when Sukuna is the one taking the punches and feeling the affects.

6.) You literally just said you wanted Yuji to explain his binding vow, but didn’t like when Sukuna explain the most important binding vow in the series? Also I think the reason we didn’t see it was because of the fact, it’ll be more shocking to not see it. Even the narrator doesn’t really care about Gojo death, nor Kashimo. Really all the strong characters who died by Sukuna got cut scened, even Jogo. I literally just thought about that

7.)I don’t understand what you mean about end goal cause the end goal was always going to be Sukuna, I’m hoping that he’ll make a part 2 with tengen.

8.) I tried the anime actually, I just could not get into it. No matter how many times I gave it a try, just couldnt. It was just really boring and old timey, I think that’s the reason.

I know you’re not commenting against my point. I can explain every part which is why it’s good story telling. Anyway, your points that you make let me tell you why you’re wrong.

1.) “nothing makes sense anymore”, I don’t understand how nothing makes sense when everything that Gege does follow a system. There are no aspects which are ass pulls in this manga. I can name million of ass pulls in any other series, except for this one, because Gege does a great job at building his power system, and making it balanced. Like literally, in all of the fights we have not been shown any new moves, probably except for hollow wicker basket which is just a domain amplification technique that is old timey. You just can’t follow along with the story, and that’s not Gege fault that’s your ability as a reader fault lol.

2.)”timing and length”, this series is a fighting series, so of course it will span out multiple upon multiple chapters, I’m actually glad as a manga reader, it’s going this long and we started to see new things. Like I wanted to see Yuta use limitless technique, and we got to see that. And we seen everybody ability in play which is great, I’m
Hoping they also bring back nobara to deal that last little bit of damage with her soul resonance. Cause again, he does a great job at reusing old characters. Also killing them off, to make the story progress even more. Nobody would’ve thought Yuta would’ve took over Gojo body, but he did. That’s what I like to see, a character do some villain things. And we can only see that in a crunch, if Sukuna been got killed off that would’ve made the story boring ash. And like I said if the villain was Goku how many chapters would it have took for them to kill him? Okay then

3.)”illogical explanations” what illogical explanation, there has not been none. But if I would guess it probably would have something to do with Gojo dying. We been knew that Maho can adapt to any phenomenon, and what is limitless? A phenomenon, and it continues to adapt afterwards, which is why Sukuna was waiting to he found an adaptation he can copy.

4.) The last part is what good characters has been sacrificed, the only characters that really hit was nobara and Nanami and Gojo but we been knew that was going to happen. Yes they died, and they should be used as plot device. Like do you not want characters to die lol. Go read Naruto or something, cause this new death affect with main characters is what I like.
Also that show not tell rule is f- dumb, like hunter x hunter has pages telling and not showing, and it’s still one of the best anime’s. You just don’t know what you’re talking about to be honest.

1. This is not an explanation why it's good storytelling.

2. This is a manga and not a video game, i do not want to see the same move over and over again.

3. Since you know hunter x hunter I'll make the comparison. It has basically the same concept. Yet it's always the user themselves explaining to us how their power and restrictions work. You always get an explanation. Jjk has not being doing this.
It's disrespectful of you to ASSSUME why I don't like it when I literally told you the reason.

4. Other fighting manga I've read have not had this issue, that's not a genre thing.
I've never watched dragon ball, can't compare that. I've only watched naruto and not shippuuden, so not that either.
Reusing characters has nothing to do with pacing.

5. I didn't want both of them to explain it to me, Yuji should have explained it and sukuna shut his trap.
What binding vow has he even made? Can you tell me?

6. You didn't get my point. It was an unsatisfactory end to fight because we didn't see the fucking finishing move. Like let sukuna explain afterwards. That all the character deaths get cut scened is another issue.
Gege kills characters off for no reason. After nobara I didn't even flinch when someone died because it means so little. Remember when director died at the beginning of the culling game arc? Me neither. It was so sudden and pointless. But well, at least it happened on screen.

7. You are confusing the characters goal with the goal of the story.

8. I'm sad you didn't like it but that disqualifies you from making a comparison. Especially since I'm not talking about whether I like a story or not but about how good the storytelling is.

Ily my goat

U are brave and it needed to be said lol. Its rough watching this story continue to tank. I gave up on it around the culling games ?
but anything new I hear about it solidifies that I made the right choice of dropping it.

it sucks cus the potential was there in the beginning and the anime adaption was done so well.

Bro wasn't joking when they said they were getting shit on for their most recent comment lmao

Ahhaha it wasn't this, I meant this https://www.mangago.zone/thing/about/747212/
People in this comment section are being relatively nice.

Omg and here I thought people on this site couldn't get any dumber rip bro