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Huraioz July 21, 2024 7:49 am

I dislike what TJ did before but I can see his intentions aren’t evil. And that’s what makes me root for a ML so hard. TJ did SA, he did many unlikable stuff, but seeing CH 55 makes me feel sad. Does that mean I’m rooting for him? No. For Jo? No. But all I want is happiness for all the three characters. They each need therapy and friendship over romance in my opinion.

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    mitski July 21, 2024 4:08 pm
    I feel you so bad omg !! It’s so damn frustrating because i feel like they purposely don’t want to understand. By the way, seeing your comments help me calm my frustration with this whole conversation lmao.... Aime

    yep!! as an unapologetic tj lover i am so confused on how blind people can be. treating an eighteen year relationship like this. seems like trying to save face for the actual ml who has assaulted. tj could beg to bottom and people would still behave as if he is the villain.

    Huraioz July 21, 2024 4:09 pm
    last time im replying because i dont want to waste my time with people who are not intellectually in check. i think you should go back to most subpar bl plots. tj would never ever do anything without consent to... mitski

    You are all thinking too much. I am only pointing out the SA, but I do not hate any of them. You’re great at taking without insulting people. I’m not pushing the narrative, the panels speak for themselves; the part where Ian was grabbed and kissed. The kiss can be SA and they can still move on, that’s how their dynamic is. I’m only saying the kiss is non con, you’re putting words in my mouth as if I said everything is non con about them.

    Huraioz July 21, 2024 4:11 pm
    yep!! as an unapologetic tj lover i am so confused on how blind people can be. treating an eighteen year relationship like this. seems like trying to save face for the actual ml who has assaulted. tj could beg ... mitski

    It’s 19, almost 20 years. Again, you’re not reading properly because where did I justify what Jo did? TJ begging to be bottom is literally on my list of fantasies, so try me.

    Aime July 21, 2024 4:38 pm
    Doyak scolded those who claimed a character was a rapist when he wasn’t, at most SA but not rape. The author never said there wasn’t SA. So both Ian and TJ assaults each other. And the SA happened, the kiss... Huraioz

    Were not talking about whether you’re repulsed by it or not. We’re talking about how you are wrong about the kiss being sexual assault. Cause it was not. And it’s starting to be really annoying because there’s literally two persons taking the time to explain to you how it’s NOT sa and you refuse to acknowledge it.

    The whole « they assault each other » doesn’t even makes sense. If their dynamics is to « assault each other » then it’s not assault. It’s just their dynamics. They BOTH do it, they BOTH like it. They BOTH consent to it. So if there’s consent, then it’s NOT assault. And you got to stop saying it is when it’s NOT. Even you, said that it looks normal when it comes to them because IT IS NORMAL. and it’s normal because it’s NOT SA. Also, their very first kiss was consensual. So no there was never sexual assault between them. Not before, not even now.

    You got to try to make a difference between sexual dynamics and sexual assault. But also between sexual behaviors in general and in a particular (fictional) context.

    Stop thinking with a general opinion on what you think about relationships irl and take the context into account. Take their dynamics into account. Take the whole author’s work into account. Stop saying bullshit about fake sexual assaults because it’s starting to be really annoying, it feels like you’re actually mocking real sexual assaults and it even feels disrespectful towards the author’s work.

    You’ve been talking about how TJ pushed him against the wall and you were wrong (and yet you used this argument so many times to prove what you said). You’ve been comparing this fictional relationship with your own real trauma and even you, admitted that you shouldn’t have done it. You didn’t even remember the chapter well yet it was your only argument for spreading fake informations. Your arguments are subjective and sometimes even blurry or contradictory.

    We’re kind enough to explain to you that it is not SA so stop thinking with your ego and have the emotional intelligence and maturity to change your opinion after receiving new informations.

    Huraioz July 21, 2024 5:34 pm
    Were not talking about whether you’re repulsed by it or not. We’re talking about how you are wrong about the kiss being sexual assault. Cause it was not. And it’s starting to be really annoying because th... Aime

    “You’ve been talking about how TJ pushed him against the wall and you were wrong (and yet you used this argument so many times to prove what you said)” and you’re leaving out the fact that I’ve actually admitted I was wrong, and that I confused it for a wall, I’ve also stated that the kiss is still non con. Regardless of their dynamic, that is SA.

    “So if there’s consent, then it’s NOT assault.” And Ian did not say yes to the kiss which TJ initiated without consent. So it is SA. I don’t know why you’re claiming it isn’t when the panels show itself.

    That is a fake sexual assault? Really? Kissing without getting consent is not SA?

    I’m aware of their dynamics, still doesn’t change the fact it’s toxic and SA has happened. And you admitted that Ian has assaulted TJ, it’s how they are. Just because it’s their dynamic doesn’t make it consensual. It’s what they’re used to. Sexual dynamics doesn’t determine if it’s assault or not, it’s just how they are with each other sexually; communication, desire, etc.

    I’m only talking about CH24 where the kiss initiated by TJ Is sexual assault. Nowhere did I talk about other scenes between them being SA, I agreed that they are not SA except the scene in CH24 is SA but it isn’t a serious type of SA.

    “They BOTH do it, they BOTH like it. They BOTH consent to it. So if there’s consent, then it’s NOT assault. And you got to stop saying it is when it’s NOT.”— That’s all they’ve ever known. Physical touch is their communication. They only have each other and see as if they only have each other. You keep saying if there’s consent, but you can see that Ian did not consent the moment TJ grabbed him and kissed him. And then he gave in and kissed back.

    You keep saying fake information but the SA literally happened right in the panel. I do not know which part of “TJ grabbed Ian and kissed him” is fake. Even Ian looked surprised but he reciprocated back. PRIOR CONSENT WAS NOT GIVEN, AFTERWARDS YES.

    eii July 21, 2024 5:47 pm

    I read all the replies and this op is biased.....lol.....

    Huraioz July 21, 2024 6:01 pm
    I read all the replies and this op is biased.....lol..... eii

    I’m biased because? All I’m trying to say is that SA between Ian and TJ def happened. And Jo did too.

    Aime July 21, 2024 6:01 pm

    For fucks sales I feel like you’re doing it on purpose.

    They kissed before this chapter ok ? They kissed multiple times. So Tj don’t have to ask to kiss him again when they’ve been kissing for years. It is not fucking sexual assault. I didn’t admit that Ian assaulted TJ, I’m just pointing how your argument doesn’t make sense.

    I feel like you’re trolling me for real. There’s no panel in which Ian is against it. You’re just interpreting it because you’re projecting. WHAT DO YOU MEAN “you can see he did not consent”, THATS LITERALLY YOU INVENTING BULLSHIT WITH ONE IMAGE OF HIM SURPRISE AND THEN IMMEDIATELY KISSING HIM. So him kissing back means consent ? But he didn’t verbally said “I give consent” ?? But for you it means he’s giving consent ? THEN THINK ABOUT HOW THEYVE BEEN KISSING BEFORE THIS FUCKING CHAPTER, FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS. HE HAS GIVEN HIS CONSENT SINCE THEY WERE 20s AND THERE WAS NO NEED FOR VERBAL CONFIRMATIONS.

    Him grabbing him and kissing him is NOT sexual assault. As you said, that’s just how they communicate. They have been doing it FOR YEARS. IT’S NOT THE FIRST KISS THEY HAD. So they’re just violent and passionate.

    And what is your point exactly? Saying bullshit like “it’s SA but it feels normal” “it’s okay but it’s ok”. “It’s SA but not to the point of calling the police” ? What’s your point ? Saying A KISS in FICTION is SA ? Especially if it’s to say that “it doesn’t matter”.

    BEING SPONTANEOUS IN AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP IS NOT SEXUAL ASSAULT

    If you want to talk about sexual assault, then talk about ACTUAL SEXUAL ASSAULT AND NOT A SPONTANEOUS KISS BETWEEN 2 FICTIONAL CHARACTERS WHO HAD BEEN IN AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP IN WHICH THEY HAD ALREADY KISSED MULTIPLE TIMES FOR YEARS.

    Also, why talking about sexual assault if it’s to say “but it’s okay, it doesn’t matter”. Do you actually give a shit or is it just because you’re bored and want to start shit ?

    You’re literally disrespecting the authors work, I swear, I’m not wasting my time with you anymore.

    Aime July 21, 2024 6:04 pm
    I read all the replies and this op is biased.....lol..... eii

    I can’t with them anymore, they definitely do it on purpose and i’m the biggest clown for falling for it

    Huraioz July 21, 2024 6:11 pm
    For fucks sales I feel like you’re doing it on purpose. They kissed before this chapter ok ? They kissed multiple times. So Tj don’t have to ask to kiss him again when they’ve been kissing for years. It i... Aime

    Golly! I’m not disrespecting the authors work. The kids is non consent because there was no prior permission. Just because they’ve fucked around for years before doesn’t mean sexual assault can happen!

    I’ve explained myself already, the only reason I’m bringing this whole scene up is because some act like TJ has never once SA’ed Ian. It doesn’t matter to me, SA isn’t a big deal, but I can’t stand hypocrites or those with double standards.

    When I say it’s SA but it feels normal between them, it’s how they’ve communicated throughout these years. It’s normalized between them. Not that it’s actually normal.

    Please do be specific when you say a kiss in a fiction, more like a kiss after being grabbed and pulled. Sure they’re probably used to this, but it doesn’t change the fact SA has happened. And you stated that Ian punched TJ, what is that if not assault?

    Huraioz July 21, 2024 6:11 pm
    I can’t with them anymore, they definitely do it on purpose and i’m the biggest clown for falling for it Aime