Well that was intense

Funny thing how people call Jieun a bitch therefore needs to die like a.s.a.p
but defends sangwoo and bum's right to live to the hilt.
Bitch and woman is now a bigger crime than murderers.
And before anyone says we are smart enough to separate fiction from reality, I ask again: do you really? When push comes to shove, whose side are you on really? Are you sure you have never in your whole life criticize even to yourself how a woman looks, acts, or thinks?
Why is feminism still a polarizing topic? Why is Planned Parenthood still picketed? Why are women's marches still needed? Why are legislations calling women "hosts" and why are pro-choice a dirty word for a majority of the world?

Boo! Get out of here you war starting feminist! Boo! No one here is wanting to talk about feminism with you.

Pretty much all of this. I'm afraid to read past your comments, frankly lol. Think I'll stop here.

Out of all the comments I've seen under this manhwa, yours is definitely the smartest. And like the person above me said, I'm too scared to scroll down because I'll be hit by a wave a dumbasses who're trying to defend the murder of an innocent girl who merely had a crush on a guy. I don't support murder in any fashion (unless it's a REALLY bad person, like Sangwoo), so reading comments about how that girl would've died just because she was a little bit mean and judgemental makes me wanna move to Mars.

Oh, i agree that jieun didn't deserve to die, i'm just booing that anon because they weren't really wanting to talk about jieun, they were using her as a stepping stool to go all feminist on us. Read the entire comment, it starts off about jieun and then ends with nothing but "females this, females that".

get out of here with your platform on abortion.

I don't think this moment makes S/Y any less of a predator/victim relationship. Yoonbum committed this crime after undergoing extreme physical and mental torture for idk how long. This torture included being physically disabled and made an unwilling accessory to a gruesome torture and murder. To conclude that him buckling under the pressure of such extreme circumstances now makes the dynamic into more of a partnership on any level is a REAAL stretch, imo.

The high school scene highlights Yoonbum's early pattern of problematic behaviour--definitely. Perhaps, then, the miracle is that he held out for so long--a testament to how "innocent" he was and how much Sangwoo had to do to bring him to this point...which still might not have happened if she hadn't said that phrase which pushed him over (which doesn't make it her fault AT ALL, just that it happened to be his weak point).

Gosh, I wanted her to escape so bad. Ugh.

I'm a feminist, and I think the analysis of the comment is flawed because it assumes who don't like a female character must do it because she is female, and those who like messed up "bad" characters must do it because the characters are male. It is simplistic and involves unwarranted generalizations and related assumptions. It relies on a world view where everyone is defines based soly on gender, and does not allow that some people might not like a female because of her personality and not her sex.

It also assume readers like character based on whether we perceive them as "good" or "bad" according to some external standard, and therefore there must be a double standard if anyone likes a "bad" character and dislikes a presumably less bad character (according to the values of the speaker). Maybe it's a question of some people liking the main characters because the characters are interesting and not liking a bitchy character because she is annoying. It's not always about who is right or wrong--it is sometimes about what we think makes a good story.

I'm trying to decide if you meant to aim this reply at someone else or, if you did mean to send it to me, if it was a feminist joke.

I literally said nothing about females in the comment of mine you're replied too so i'm assuming you're making a feminist joke because i was booing that closet feminist earlier.

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The anon made a valid point from a reasonable perspective. I agree with them, for the most part. A lot of readers here like to express some fairly questionable opinions and when critiqued use the "But it's Fiction!" excuse. Yet media (including fiction) is proven to express and influence opinions IRL--so it's not unreasonable to challenge persons to reflect on whether their harsh opinion on women in fiction is really that different from how they look at women IRL. Violence against women is a huge issue across the globe and is often dismissed precisely because persons in the real world think that the women deserve it.

If you're uninterested in engaging in this kind of discussion, that's fine. It's not necessary (or accurate) to insist that no one else is.

ugh... you honestly think that your opinion on what you read influences your take irl? I want plenty of manga characters to die and that doesn't mean i'm emotionally capable of killing someone, that point of view is so ridiculous it's not even worth "debating". You say the media is "proven to express and influence opinions IRL", where did you find your statistics? Are you admitting that if you personally were to read a manga and wanted a character to die that you'd be emotionally okay with killing someone IRL because you were okay with it in a book? learn to disassociate...

When you read manga with druggie MCs do you go out and do crack afterwards?

Lets also keep in mind that a lot of literature is meant to influence you opinion in a certain way, so just because you fall for the author's bait and hate a certain character to the point of wanting them dead doesn't mean that'd effect you irl and make you okay with hateful people dying.

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I will just agree with you the fact that Yoom Bum is not innocent. I thought there is something unmorale but no... In the beggining he had borderline personality disorder... I thought it was just a term just put for prank.. but hella no...

yeah, it is safe to say they are really destined to be together

??? That's not what I argued for at all nor did I get that from the anon's argument. The word "influence" means "to have an effect". That's a pretty general concept that can be manifested in innumerable ways with the least likely scenario being the one you described. Media is also a plural-- in other words it would not only be manga, or even fiction, by itself that would be able to produce any kind of influence. (I also didn't state that media would be the *only* influence either.)

But, more importantly, neither did the anon or I assert in any way that thinking that Jien deserved to die meant that these readers are obviously misogynistic killers. Anon was highlighting how a negative attitude towards the female victim in this manga and--let's be honest, to any less than perfect female character in fiction--may be connected to a more general negative attitude to women IRL which could manifest itself in a lot of different scenarios--and she listed them. Again, you may not agree! But it's not a fringe position. (I mean, this discussion happens in anime and manga a lot.)

There are a lot of studies that have been done on how media reflects and influence society. A lot of books too. Feel free to google, read, and see what you think. Studies may be behind paywalls so checking your local library might be the way to go.

Indeed (づ￣ ³￣)づ it's my personal belief that Bum is just as dangerous as Sangwoo, people just don't realize it because he's the quiet type of dangerous, the one that stalks you to your house and breaks in to roll on your bed without you knowing. Everybody's all "Sangwoo is crazy! Poor Bum." and i'm like "yes, he is, but so is Bum. Just in a different way. Sangwoo kills openly while as Bum quietly obsesses with people and ,as ch 19 shows, has the capacity to kill if he's hurt by being denied by his obsession." People seem to think that he would've just stalked for the rest of his life (as if that isn't a problem in itself), but i feel that that is a naive way of thinking as someone was bound to unknowingly be nice to bum, notice Bum's obsession for them and freak out, in the process hurting his feelings. How many denied obsessions do you think he'd be able to take before he went crazy and killed one of his obsessions for not letting him be near them?

Was your argument not that media has an effect on the way you think IRL? because: "media (including fiction) is proven to express and influence opinions IRL" made me think that that is what you meant... my bad if i misunderstood... as far as you saying "neither did the anon or i assert in any way that thinking that jien deserved to die meant that these readers are obviously misogynistic killer", when you said "their harsh opinion on women in fiction is really that different from how they look at women IRL." it sure seemed as though you were saying exactly that. You said "Media is also a plural-- in other words it would not only be manga, or even fiction, by itself that would be able to produce any kind of influence. (I also didn't state that media would be the *only* influence either.)", i brought up manga specifically because we're reading an commenting on a manga... i'm not saying that manga is the only source of media so i don't know what your point is... you saying: "There are a lot of studies that have been done on how media reflects and influence society. A lot of books too. Feel free to google, read, and see what you think. Studies may be behind paywalls so checking your local library might be the way to go." just makes me feel like you were just saying that there're statistics to further your standing in your argument, you were basically saying "nuh-uh, i'm right its proven!" without siting anything to base this baseless statement off of.