Ch 1 I knewww she was gonna tell her she was getting married Ch 2 She is really leading h...

it's almost like people are complicated and flawed and being queer in conservative countries is also complicated and sometimes we write stories about that intersection because it's interesting and it reflects many people's experiences and real life conflicts since most of us are also complicated and flawed. Who would have thought.

Cool, but it's still shitty to lead people on even if you live in a society. Reasons =/= excuses.

... these are drawings, they don't live in any society girl. Why are you talking about them as if they are real people? Maybe you should read further in the manga and stop talking about characters as if they are your classmates and you're judging their messy drama with your friends or something. Well, or not I guess. You're your own boss.

It's not like the manga and story endorses her actions, she's specifically framed by the story as messy, selfish and cowardly for acting the way she does. She is just also framed as more than that. Maybe you just are not able to distinguish between what a story is trying to say and a character's actions. Don't worry, literacy skills take time to develop.

Bro really just came onto this post, said word for word "it reflects many people's experiences and real life conflicts since most of us are also complicated and flawed," and then switched to the "b-but it's just drawings" defense when I said that doesn't excuse her actions. Just say my opinion hurt your feelings and move on bruh, no need to try to rationalize it.

i kind of agree but tazune was more than a prick. he coerced her into having unprotected sex and knocked her up which pinned her down to a relationship she was feeling unsure about. she's not a perfect person but that's what makes her such a compelling character. she's not glorified and although we can understand her character, it doesn't make all of her actions justified or agreeable.

Now this is a take I can get behind

I do see in my tone that I was irritated and talking in a derogatory way to you so I understand that you did not want to hear me out. It makes for bad discussion when I'm the one who jumped onto your comment. Sorry for my attitude.

My point was that we don't read stories for the same reasons we make friends. I don't need to agree with a character's actions to learn about them, characters do not need to adhere to the same social standards because their behavior doesn't have repercussions in our reality. And in this case as I wrote before: "the manga and story don't endorse her actions, she's specifically framed by the story as messy, selfish and cowardly for acting the way she does".

To be more clear, in the Godfather a bunch of people act irrationally and kill each other over vendettas and codes of honor, but saying that they are bad for doing so is kind of besides the point of what the story is trying to convey. It would also be wrong to read a film like The Godfather as a pro "organized crime violence" film, or anyone who enjoys it as someone endorsing murder and crime, for example. What a story portrays and its characters' conduct is separate from its intended message or the journey it takes its audience on.

yeah i think the way she treats maki at first is really bad. she keeps leading her on, but can't decide whether or not she wants to commit but i liked it when she finally decided for herself and broke it off with tazune. honestly i know she technically cheated on tazune but she was honestly a victim in that relationship so it felt more like her liberating herself from an unhealthy relationship more than anything.