why are you all here???

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brotha eughhh

hi siopro. i am not talking about normalizing this though, nor i normalize it. this thing you have sent me is talking about a ped0 trying to trick children with this genre of catroons etc. this is not what i am talking about, nor a good example imo.
the murder, rape, infidelity etc we see in movies, dramas, books are not normalizing, though a good lot of them romanticise. people do not do this things because it is normal(ised), they do it because their morals are corrupted and they are ugly at heart. ped0s try to trick kids because they have their ulterior motives. this is what the link you sent is about. this series is also not normalizing anything if you ask me, though it is shota and i know if this was irl, it wouldnt be good in any way. i dont go harassing people from the things i read either

People like you refuse to understand that lolita and shotacon is fine, but still it’s weird. I wouldn’t have mind if it was a cutesy crush, but the way this progressed and from the pictures in the album, I don’t think it is normal at all. You have to draw the line somewhere don’t you?

i am not saying this is normal either. it sure is weird, it is just that i am not weirded out because this is not real. but harassing people and loitering around a place that you dont belong is also weird too.

actually no, forget that. just tell me why do i have to draw a line. i could read the most disgusting things here and none of you would bat an eye but when it comes to something that just doesnt suit your own morals, it's suddenly bad. i believe all of you are two faced. i no longer feel the need to continue our talk unfortunately. i will keep reading whatever i want, but just please take your puritan mindset out of here. this isnt the best place for marketing that.

It’s always people like you being defensive and saying shit like “two faced” stop crying and accept that everything has its limits and I on my MOTHER can guarantee I have never read something which is harmful or SHAMEFUL except for rape and only because I didn’t know they would NORMALISE rape so much in famous bls but never did I like it or enjoy it. lots of people do enjoy non con but the thing is that it’s still harmful and should not be enjoyed. I’ve gone against non con too with this shit but honestly you people are so vague and dumb that I can’t even hold proper arguments. YOU might not react, but somebody else might. YOU look at it purely (although there is nothing so pure about this) but how are you sure 10 others do? There is much more to this. There are consequences of it. You need to realise the big deal here, just because it’s normalised and just because “everybody reads weird shit so it’s fine” doesn’t mean you get away from a lecture on why it’s not good.

I can understand why you feel so passionately about this, but not everyone heavily associates fictional interests to their real life principles, they're like two completely different existences within my brain. I have read and enjoyed some pretty horrendous stories since I was a young child, but that has never had an impact on my values or the compassion and empathy that I feel towards real people. I am curious though as to what you believe the main consequences of this kind of fiction are... Because from my own experience, I've found a lot of catharsis in reading different kinds of unconventional (and often disturbing) stories/illustrations as someone who was molested and struggling with hypersexuality issues growing up, I'm sure that sounds weird but that kind of escape was all I had back then and continues to soothe me to this day... Not to mention, how 'weird shit' has been responsible for uplifting my passion in creating art, which is now my full-time career.

Now don't get me wrong, I do think there's a lot that should be discussed and worked through regarding the psychological and sociological impacts of this kind of media at a much wider level, but I'm willing to bet most people who find themselves interested in this type of fictional content (and worse) have their own complicated reasons for it that aren't necessarily rooted in real-world malicious thoughts or behaviors... If they were, I imagine they wouldn't be as interested in simple fiction, which is where my concerns lie and EVERY fucking line should be drawn. Though, I think this whole conversation is worth learning more and more about for everyone's sake.

I relate to you. But had you gotten any better? Reading this will only soothe you for the time being but also in the worst manner possible, it won’t fix it. In fact, you won’t even realise but it would make you worse. I’ve had a friend like that, not only that, I had gone through a tough situation too and found solace in “weird shit” too. For example, the number of crimes and number of horror movies and batshit weird mangas I’ve read past four years would prove so, but I’ve felt much better once I stopped them. Initially I felt empty, but as days went on I realised how it had affected ME mentally and how much better I was after stopping. You might think “oh no I’m fine and I’m doing better” but no. You might say “oh skill issue it’s a you thing” but no, it is the same for everyone. In fact, it is even a study and although the result did vary a lot, maximum seemed to be depressed more and seemed to have had weird affects on them whilst reading these stories to soothe themselves which in the end had started to affect their actions too. It’s a matter of time, principle. The thing is, the entire topic is weird. If it was simply ONE PART OF THE STORY, trust me, I would have turned a blind eye since it really wouldn’t have affected, even if it had, it would a minority. But it isn’t that way, it attracts a majority, people who liked this and people who didn’t but ended up liking, what’s worse is that they started to comfort each other, show each other support through these comments but that is not how it’s dealt. I could explain further but I assume you’d realise. You seem to be the only person who actually had a good argument.

This was an insightful reply, thank you for sharing your experience. I think this is an important conversation everyone needs to have with themselves (and ideally a therapist) to explore other possibilities and find out what works best for them. I personally have gone through the cycles of completely avoiding these things to shame and self-hate to obsessive consumption and around again for over a decade, and I've found that my healthiest balance is allowing myself to consume unconventional content organically but with limits (much like with alcohol or drugs), being honest with myself and people I'm close with about my afflictions, and challenging these concepts in a meaningful and uplifting way through my art... All thats to say that I wonder if avoiding things may also have negative affects in its own right (since in my case, it only exacerbated my anxiety and depression), though I of course believe you when you say they had positive ones for you, so I do think abstaining is worth giving a genuine, solid try just to see the long-term affects and potential benefits. I might even give it another go lol

I’m so happy that you have recovered. I’m wishing for your best too. Yes do give it a try but if you see yourself falling back to the same patterns then do not take that risk. I understand how you have coped. So I will not bother you anymore. You still have some reasons whilst others are baselessly arguing without valid points. I really have no argument to it since you are absolutely right. Thank you, for being the only right person here.

Thank you for the kind and supportive words, I think people here just tend to get defensive because of what you accuse them of and and how you go about presenting your points, even I felt a little annoyed until I tried approaching you calmly and got a bit more context for your own experiences... Perhaps its worth not making others feel like they're monstrous or stupid right off the bat so more productive conversations can happen, though I understand that you're likely just frustrated assuming you've been trying to argue with people for a while haha but I just happen to be good with words, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people here had similar reasons, but might not realize themselves or articulate well. Anyways, I hope you have a wonderful day. :) I'll also get outta your hair.

Rather, I think a lot people here would benefit from experiences like ours as guidance, but just assuming their sick or beyond repair isn't going to help anyone. Just wanted to put that out there! thanks for the interesting convo ^^

" I'm willing to bet most people who find themselves interested in this type of fictional content (and worse) have their own complicated reasons for it that aren't necessarily rooted in real-world malicious thoughts or behaviors
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"I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people here had similar reasons, but might not realize themselves or articulate well."


I really don't think people read what they read because they have complicated reason and stuff neither do people take these stories too seriously, people read it for fun and forget, you're assuming alot and relating it to some psychological aspect, you'll loose that bet tho I liked what you wrote pretty interesting.

Please ignore what I wrote!!

You’re so sweet! I’m sorry for being so offensive to the people here, but some of them deserve it. You don’t though, not even one bit. You’re right, these people had no proper valid arguments they just do what they think is “emotionally right” when they do not even know what it is. But you seemed to have a lot of value. Thankfully because of you we conversed in a more appropriate manner and I completely agree that we shouldn’t pose those people who read this as “monstrous” but if you go on and see some of my arguments and what they have said, maybe you’ll realise some really are.