annoying

All the fresh comments in the other manga are also uncomfy
There’s no justification for acts like that and tbh it’s kinda icky. Please don’t approach anyone seeking your help with this mindset.. it’s damaging..

i'm not justifying those acts and i'm not even saying they' right.
i'm saying trauma responses are complex and can also look like this, it's undeniable.
so, you're saying if someone comes to me saying they raped their brother cause they felt like they needed him to feel as shitty as they did (bc they were raped by their father), i should blame them and tell them they're horrible like everyone else is doing here? what kinda therapists did you meet to think this is even something THINKABLE to do

Naw, I just asked that you be cautious about approaching a case the same way you would a study. Sometimes, we forget humans are real, and it sucks for the human being treated as a “cool story” or “interesting theory”.
Everyone’s Free to think and do as they please, but just be aware. There are people out there who don’t have the luxury of viewing things from an outside perspective, and certain actions can be inappropriate.

oh sorry i didn't get that at first
but i don't plan on viewing people as subjects of a research of some kind
i just like how everyone can have different reactions to things and still being "normal" (as in... it makes sense...? for them and for who can relate to them) and i guess that's interesting
but approaching someone is totally different
especially when we're talking about such sensitive topics
that's the very same reason i don't quite enjoy the blacklash on this type of mangas, i think about all the people (probably not most of the readers but still) who read it and have had at least intrusive thoughts about murder, rape and such
and i don't think they should be ashamed of it, it happens and it's okay, it's just a sign you need to work on something
what i mean is just... not everyone can read psychological mangas easily and that's okay, but that doesn't make what we're reading less understandable from characters povs or like just because it's somehow dark doesn't mean the work is badly written
also last but not least thank you for the discussion and for sharing your point of view...? i feel like i was misunderstanding something before :)

Like so many people have gone through so much bad things things are even worse than this and they do not turn around and inflict the pain on others especially if the other person is a child he was a child please stop this nonsense reason he was a child what he did was wrong and I will still blame him that's why the fact that his father did something to him or whatever it doesn't mean that you turn around and then do it so another person many people have gone through so many things with their family and they still end up having good relationship with their own children so please just stop this Rape apology.
Psych major my ass

He should be ashamed

different trauma responses :)
don't read psychological works if you can't handle dark themes (especially when they're portrayed in such an interesting way)
also i'm not a rape apologist, i'm just saying... his behavior makes sense, it's a trauma response
he's still doing something bad, but i get where this is coming from
both things can exist at the same time
hope that helps

Ahhh..finally.. Someone stood up...oh...thank you...it was frustrating... All alone...

That's what the initial comment was about: the complexity of human psyche.
Not necessarily connected to this manga and not excusing the main characters actions. I don't see that in the comment.
But the majority of readers here are making the commenters out to automatically be child abuse apologists if people are approaching the fictional characters reactions in a less emotional way (it does not automatically shuts off ones sense of ethic and morale).

Well, I mean if you look at it this way instead of being annoyed, it’s a good thing that so many people (myself included) in the comments are appalled and disgusted by this child molester.

I’ll admit that this was a very interesting (and stomach churning) read but gahhdamnn, (and I think I can speak for many ppl in this comment section) I don’t want to sympathize with an individual capable of such horrific acts. And to his own brother, no less. If that makes me ignorant, then I fully accept and embrace that.

But that’s why you (a psych major) are so important to have in these kind of conversations. You give these individuals a voice of unbiased reason and curiosity instead of harsh black and white judgement. And good on you and others in this field for doing the hard part of getting into their diseased minds.

I hope you realize that explaining that victims can continue the abuse is not being a rape apologist it’s more insulting as a victim myself that you think we have to be a certain way just for you to accept us as being victims, victims can still be bad people but that doesn’t erase what happened. It’s pretty common in interviews with pedos and molesters about their pasts that they experienced that trauma since childhood and if that’s all your shown from childhood as “love” or your “worth” that became normal to them as sad as it is. It doesn’t excuse their disgusting actions but It’s important to have these conversations bc it sets a way to find solutions for victims to not continue cycles and heal so they do become people who don’t hurt others

We agree that it was a trauma response while also agreeing on the fact that it was disgusting. My annoyance is with the statement "don't read,of you can't handle it" or "don't you know it's a trauma response". We know it can happen. But,don't discard empathy for the right person, which is the victim. It's good to feel disgusted by this. It's not normal nor is it right. Don't make ppl feel bad for condemning him. Yes ,he had trauma. But as I said, a lot of ppl go through the same thing and do not continue the cycle. They even become protective of others,some even dedicating their lives to helping and preventing such from happening to others.
While it is fascinating to think about why some people continue the cycle, bashing ppl who condemn the actions, is quite disappointing in my opinion. You can see both sides and even educate ppl on how it is a trauma response,but still emphasize on the fact that it is wrong and that they are a bad person.

No where did I say that seeing this from both sides makes one a rape apologist. I was talking about user ronjon's reply to op. Yes, understand that their past trauma could be an influence. But I will NEVER have empathy for someone who harms a child. Trauma response or not. They were making it seem as if condemning him was bad.
I am also a victim of child abuse so , seeing posts like that really triggered me. As a therapist,yes I might not outright condemn them ,but please u cannot emphasize with a CHILD MOLESTER. No matter what.

And also to user ronjon, yes HE IS A WEIRDO!!!. He is disgusting and nothing will EVER justify or make me empathetic to a CHILD MOLESTER.

U can enjoy psychological mangas and still feel disgusted

You can be a victim and also a bad person

I’m pretty sure they were talking about the people in the comments victim blaming the brother and looking at it from a black and white perspective which if applied irl doesn’t help anyone in the situations. They explained that they don’t condone or support the characters actions (tho their wording in the original was iffy). I can understand it being triggering so please make sure to take care of yourself c( ⁰ ⁰ )੭