Hi! Just sharing my thoughts you can disagree... so, They were his seniors so they were being dominant on him that's all it's quite normal in work environment..
And she meant to say that women don't objectify it doesn't matter how much nakedness is going on woman arousal doesn't work on visuals but rather actions... the environment and the person matters but for men it's not like that if the person is stripping that means they are Askin for it... which is wrong because they are just entertaining... strip club show and watching porn is a total different thing. They use the strip show to get away from their headache not to pick a guy n hookup with. Yet the point is, she said it without knowing that her junior is in love with a male, who was seducing him n the seme tried to get his attention so he did what he did (presented himself in a different way.. like focusing more on displaying his upper body)And SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. That's why she thought our uke is objectifying any stripper so she said him animal indirectly. i.e if a guy would walk topless women would not follow or catcall him but men would, soo this is what she meant. Hope it helps
Agree to disagree cuz firstly, I don't think any of what she said indicated that she was talking about objectifying the strippers in that conversation, so I think that's what you deduced from that not what she actually meant or maybe im wrong cuz I havent reread the story in a while lol. And harrasing people, belittling them and talking over them in a work environment is never normal regardless, I dont know why you think that. Also, even if thats what she meant, what you said still isn't true. Women do objectify people in the sex work industry, maybe not as much as men.
Also, some women do get aroused sexually from visual stimulus, example would be a women looking at her partner body and getting turn on by it. As a women, I know for sure that I do react to sexual visual images. Generalizing women or anyone like this is just wrong and makes no sense, just cuz something is more common doesn't mean the uncommon is non-existent. Hope this helps cuz this view of womanhood and generalizing womens experiences, capabilities, their behaviors; harmful or not, and their sexual arousal is still abnormal. (sorry if this makes no sense I barely know how to write english lol(｡-ω-))
Yes I agree with you on disagreeing also your English is totally clear I got what you were explaining :)
And in no means I wanted to convey that it's normal belittling people in real, my bad- I should be more clear so here we, go I thought it's quite normal in manga work place situation to appear this kinda dominant. Because as we all "Charlie Chaplin" there they show this gestural comedy. They also depict the dark side of industrialism yet in a comic way which invokes laughter. So in that sense it's normal they were comic fictional characters who were showing exaggerated moves to inforce laughter. Which is not okay in work space.
And I would stick to my point cause first sexworkers are doing their job if u won't get turned on they would get sad like the seme, whn he feels rejected by uke. Secondly you getting turned on by your partner is given cuz if not, the same thing would happen they would feel rejected. Objectifying happens whn you're thinkin' that the person for whom you're aroused is somehow responsible to satisfy you. You can get turned on by sexworkers and your partner yet you should ask for concent insted of just going for it thinking that they are asking for it or they want to do it or they're trying to turn you on. Giving the benifit of the doubt to the other is whole gist of what I'm saying. Also whn you say MAYBE it proves my whole point so I would say I'm certain women don't objectify ppl as much as men do. Hence, 'I think' 'I related' more with the words of the character that men do tend to get animalistic whn it comes to nudity cuz not everyone in Strip club or Bar are there to have hookup, some are their to experience the atmosphere solely. Thanks for giving your time.
Omggg I loved the first couple so much. they were really adorable frfr it was so satisfying to read about them.ヾ(☆▽☆)
but what annoyed me was that every woman in this manga lacked manners, boundaries and basic human respect, with such backwards views of womanhood. Wtf. Wym you go to a strip club and watch men get naked and dance sexually just like men do yet "it's different when we do it" huh??? the delusion.
that's like saying women only watch porn to study it while only men use it to get off. just stupid, isnt it.
It was so annoying watching them act like that with the mc.
I thought maybe it was supposed to be 'comedy', but even then I couldn't understand how the way they were acting was supposed to be funny.