This feels like a yaoi(similar type of misinformation) Top=butch bottom=femme is not a thi...

April 23, 2024 12:45 pm

This feels like a yaoi(similar type of misinformation)
Top=butch bottom=femme is not a thing at all in lesbian spaces so this just feels wrong. Sure outsiders might assume that way but that stereotype doesnt exist in wlw spaces the same way it does in mlm spaces

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    WhyRed May 20, 2024 1:07 pm

    I feel like its less saying the titles put you in those roles and is instead referencing how people will see those titles and because of their heteronormative view of relationship dynamics, they assume the butch is the dominant and the femme is the submissive, especially because masculinity tends to be tied to traits like strength and taking initiative, whereas femininity is often tied to being subservient and delicate

    May 21, 2024 11:06 am
    I feel like its less saying the titles put you in those roles and is instead referencing how people will see those titles and because of their heteronormative view of relationship dynamics, they assume the butc... WhyRed

    Yeah that's the point of my comment. Since the author is obviously not a lesbian, they decide to use the heteronormative perspective to look at a lesbian relationship. While that approach kind of works for BLs(since the fem=bottom masc=top stereotype does exists in gay spaces, even though it's not nearly as pupular as in BLs), that same stereotype doesn't exist at all in lesbian spaces so it makes this work even more disconnected from reality than straight written BLs. The whole premise of the story doesn't work at all since it has virtually no basis in reality. To be fair I'm only speaking on wlw in japan, since there might be cultural differences in different countries.

    WhyRed May 21, 2024 12:52 pm
    Yeah that's the point of my comment. Since the author is obviously not a lesbian, they decide to use the heteronormative perspective to look at a lesbian relationship. While that approach kind of works for BLs(...

    Are you a japan based lesbian to be saying all this. That stereotype most definitely exists in WLW spaces, especially since not all WLW relationships are just lesbian x lesbian and can include bi women that have grown up with some influence from our very heteronormative society. Personally my problem with the story is that the dialogue is using terminology wrong, rather than "it has no basis in reality". IMO you just seem more lenient with BLs than you are with GLs.

    May 21, 2024 2:15 pm
    Are you a japan based lesbian to be saying all this. That stereotype most definitely exists in WLW spaces, especially since not all WLW relationships are just lesbian x lesbian and can include bi women that hav... WhyRed

    The gay scene in japan definitely has a more defined top/bottom/verse classification, to the point where my lesbian friend couldn't understand why I had trouble dating because a lot of dudes thought I "looked like" a bottom, it didn't make sense to her. I don't know if wlw spaces in the west just put more ephasis on those labels or sth? Since they really arent used all that often. The outsiders do assume masc=the man and fem=the woman in the relationship(same for us) but that has virtually nothing on how the scene treats it, that's why I said the author clearly has a heteronormative view on lesbian relationships. I'm not more lenient with BLs, the way BLs showcase top/bottom/verse dynamics is also mostly incorrect, they're just a sliver closer to the reality since that role classification is more defined.