Granny

Ally April 3, 2024 8:05 am

Am i the only one who don't care if granny dies?
Like if she dies Kim Dan will not need the money of the jerk and can leave his job. And that's when the seme will maybe chase him at least a little.
It will be a realisation and a liberation for Kim Dan from the seme. If he no longer needs his money, he is free to go.

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    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 7:49 am

    The thing is I don’t believe Dan viewed his grandmother as a liability, but rather someone he was indebted to and loved. Her death will likely remain a devastation and not a liberation because she was both his reason to work so hard as well as the only family he had.

    Mulu April 3, 2024 7:52 am
    The thing is I don’t believe Dan viewed his grandmother as a liability, but rather someone he was indebted to and loved. Her death will likely remain a devastation and not a liberation because she was both hi... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    So true. Cuz for a sweetheart like Dan, he’s ready to put a lifetime torture on himself if it means to keep his grandma alive cuz that’s his ultimate happiness

    LynxSeoltang April 3, 2024 7:59 am
    The thing is I don’t believe Dan viewed his grandmother as a liability, but rather someone he was indebted to and loved. Her death will likely remain a devastation and not a liberation because she was both hi... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    He may not see his grandma as a liability but she is a liability. I feel like her death is required for Dan to have a new start. Of course he'd be crushed. He might even try to self exit because he'd think he no longer have purpose now. But his lost will be the mark of a new beginning. We'll see how the author would move forward from this

    Czakaira April 3, 2024 8:01 am
    The thing is I don’t believe Dan viewed his grandmother as a liability, but rather someone he was indebted to and loved. Her death will likely remain a devastation and not a liberation because she was both hi... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    Agree! Grandmother's love is the best! If you don't experience that kind of love probably you won't understand what Dan feels right now for her grandma.

    Rikku April 3, 2024 8:04 am
    He may not see his grandma as a liability but she is a liability. I feel like her death is required for Dan to have a new start. Of course he'd be crushed. He might even try to self exit because he'd think he n... LynxSeoltang

    Yup this. Like yeah, fanily. But I'm certain this would gove him a fresh start (if he eh allows it)

    sgstlvr April 3, 2024 8:14 am

    I mean, Granny is Dan's entire life purpose so I think her dying right now would set him back a lot. Besides I think the betrayal he feels from Jae is enough to get him to leave right now despite needing the money. Let's hope Granny doesn't die she's innocent in all this

    Ally April 3, 2024 9:13 am
    The thing is I don’t believe Dan viewed his grandmother as a liability, but rather someone he was indebted to and loved. Her death will likely remain a devastation and not a liberation because she was both hi... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    Maybe but she is the reason Dan work with the seme. He was forced to take the job because he had to pay for her hospital bills. So even if he is sad, he's going to be free to make his own choices, to live for himself only. That's the kind of thing he needs right now, the possibility to think and act only for him, and not for someone well being

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 11:36 am
    Maybe but she is the reason Dan work with the seme. He was forced to take the job because he had to pay for her hospital bills. So even if he is sad, he's going to be free to make his own choices, to live for h... Ally

    That’s some insane mental acrobatics to hold the grandmother accountable for Dan having to sell his body.

    Ally April 3, 2024 12:34 pm
    That’s some insane mental acrobatics to hold the grandmother accountable for Dan having to sell his body. Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    I'm not saying she is accountable for that

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 12:43 pm
    I'm not saying she is accountable for that Ally

    “she is the reason Dan work with the seme. He was forced to take the job because he had to pay for her hospital bills”

    Ally April 3, 2024 12:45 pm
    That’s some insane mental acrobatics to hold the grandmother accountable for Dan having to sell his body. Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    I'm not saying she is accountable for that
    I'm saying that even if it's NOT her fault and it's sad Kim Dan did accept this deal to pay her medical bills, it's reality, because he CHOSE to do that, he CHOSE to pay for it.
    But if she dies, he will be free of this obligation, it will be like a liberation for him because he's gonna be able to make choices for himself, wihtout having to think about others. He will be free to choose what he wants to do.
    This is not insane gymnastic just logic. People just have to accept that sometimes bad things can have some benefits in the end. That's how world is working.

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 12:51 pm
    “she is the reason Dan work with the seme. He was forced to take the job because he had to pay for her hospital bills” Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    To say that she holds responsibility for the chain of events that led to Dan’s suffering would be negligent of everything she sacrificed to give Dan many of the opportunities he has been given, in spite of how few and far between said opportunities are. She is not responsible for JK choosing to take advantage of Dan and therefore should not be considered the reason why Dan was subjected to JK’s abuse.

    Ally April 3, 2024 1:00 pm
    To say that she holds responsibility for the chain of events that led to Dan’s suffering would be negligent of everything she sacrificed to give Dan many of the opportunities he has been given, in spite of ho... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    You are repeating yourself without reading my precedent comment. So i'm gonna explain myself again.

    Kim Dan accept the deal to pay her bills, that is the reality, read the story again if you need to clear this matter. But he is accountable for that, not her. It was his choice to pay for it. But that does not mean his death can't be beneficial in some ways for him, like financially.

    Ps: the fact that she sacrifices many things and JK being an asshole won't change the fact that Kim Dan did it for her and will be free to walk away from JK is she dies. You're being emotional about this when it's really just logic: No crazy bills to pay, no need to work for an asshole

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 1:02 pm
    I'm not saying she is accountable for thatI'm saying that even if it's NOT her fault and it's sad Kim Dan did accept this deal to pay her medical bills, it's reality, because he CHOSE to do that, he CHOSE to pa... Ally

    And this goes back to what I said at the start, Dan doesn’t view his grandmother as a liability. Nor does he see working hard to support her an obligation. As you stated he chooses to support her and he chooses to take care of her, he doesn’t feel obliged or obligated or forced to do any of these things because he isn’t obligated to do these things, he just feels an immense sense of gratitude towards his grandmother for being the family to raise him when no one else could be. Losing her would not be like losing an anchor that’s been tying him down, nor would it be beneficial like you’re insinuating. It would be devastating and a loss far greater than any monetary gain he’d be getting from losing his grandmother because he values her more than his own success. As sgstlvr stated: taking care of his grandmother is Dan’s life purpose. Losing that would likely leave Dan feeling more depressed than relieved, unburdened, or liberated.

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 1:09 pm
    You are repeating yourself without reading my precedent comment. So i'm gonna explain myself again.Kim Dan accept the deal to pay her bills, that is the reality, read the story again if you need to clear this m... Ally

    You’re looking at an emotional matter from a rational perspective. Dan is not calculating or logistical, he is deeply emotional and this is shown through his connection with his grandmother. I’m not claiming what you’re stating is false, just deeply insensitive and unsympathetic. To be apathetic and even encourage the death of a character for another character’s benefit with no regard for how said character will be negatively impacted is to lack a basic understanding of grief and loss.

    Ally April 3, 2024 1:09 pm
    And this goes back to what I said at the start, Dan doesn’t view his grandmother as a liability. Nor does he see working hard to support her an obligation. As you stated he chooses to support her and he choos... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    That's where i don't agree with you. Yes she love her and feel gratitude for her, but there is no way he don't work hard for her because he feel obligated. When you love someone, you feel obligated to make everything you can to help them, especially in Kim Dan situation, when she made a lot of sacrifices for him and he only have her. Your vision of this is very naive. He don't want to be alone, she is all he have. Ofc he's gonna do everything he can to not be alone. And even if ot's sounds selfish because it is, that does not mean he don't love her. That means he is human line everyone else. Kim Dan is not all good like you can think.
    Idk to how extent her death could affect him but it will for sure liberate him from this obligation.

    Ally April 3, 2024 1:11 pm
    That's where i don't agree with you. Yes she love her and feel gratitude for her, but there is no way he don't work hard for her because he feel obligated. When you love someone, you feel obligated to make ever... Ally

    Because he don't feel obliged*

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 1:12 pm
    That's where i don't agree with you. Yes she love her and feel gratitude for her, but there is no way he don't work hard for her because he feel obligated. When you love someone, you feel obligated to make ever... Ally

    But that’s an oxymoron. You can’t choose to do something and be obligated to do something, both cannot be mutually exclusive and remain true. The fact of the matter is Dan did choose to give himself up for the benefit of his grandmother, not because he felt an obligation to do so, but because he wanted to.

    Kokichi’s Grape Panta April 3, 2024 1:13 pm
    But that’s an oxymoron. You can’t choose to do something and be obligated to do something, both cannot be mutually exclusive and remain true. The fact of the matter is Dan did choose to give himself up for ... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    Wanted to in the sense that he wanted to help his grandmother, not because he wanted JK’s advances

    Ally April 3, 2024 1:15 pm
    But that’s an oxymoron. You can’t choose to do something and be obligated to do something, both cannot be mutually exclusive and remain true. The fact of the matter is Dan did choose to give himself up for ... Kokichi’s Grape Panta

    Yes you can. You can choose to pay for your grand mother's bill because you love her and discover tou have to work for an asshole to be able to pay for it and still choose to do it because you feel like you HAVE to do that for her. Because she made so many things for you and because you also don't want to be left alone.