please do realize that Siwon has been endlessly tortured by the dreams Jun has been forcing on him. I personally think that Siwon isn't really homophobic but more upset that Jun is trying to break their friendship... or something along those lines
OMG YES!!!
Tortured how? He was showing him what happened. I know he is confused But that doesn't give him any right to say the hurtful things he says to Jun! Especially since he claims he loved him as a childhood friend. Siwon wants to be angry, fine, But once again putting someone down for who they are sexually isn't. He is in denial and can't accept what he is as well. That is one of the main reasons Jun acts the way he does.
High ten!
I'm with you on that.
Jun disappeared for 11 years and didn't even tell Siwon what happened or who he even is.
He left Siwon in questions but never stopped chasing after him.
Siwon is straight (at least for now haha), how would he react to a gay man trying to chase after him? He declines.
Jun is like the smart asshole in class, if he really likes Siwon, treat him better but THAT RUDE.
A gay asshole trying to rape a straight boy who didn't know he was his childhood friend... and the victim is blamed? gosh.
Siwon is in denial I agree, both of them are. However, if I were him I won't even try to cope with a rude 'stranger'.
I apologize for rude language. No homophobic ideas intended. Pls don't get triggered.
He's just confused
^^^^^^^^^^This person gets it!!!!
Ditto to Ayame! Besides, the victim should never be blamed in a rape situation
You didn't trigger me but Siwon surely did. Lol Let's get something straight. (No pun intended) There has been no rape as of yet therefore Jun hasn't "raped" Siwon so no "victim" blaming here. When they made out whether Siwon was under the influence or not was Consensual. Once again no rape. Yes Jun is being a bit forceful and aggressive even when talking. Still that does NOT give Siwon the right to use homophobic slurs. You can turn someone down w/o the slurs...And I did say, "If the mangaka makes Jun force himself on this whiny ass in denial wimp I am done!!!" As in rape definitely isn't right either also, "Jun isn't innocent" and I am sure that one is pretty clear. Jun isn't a stranger and by now Siwon knows this. Jun has issues which Siwon knows because mommy tried to kill him then killed herself. Not an excuse just facts. Once again Siwon can be mad/confused and turn down angry crazy aggressive liar "stranger" w/o using homophobic slurs. That is my main point here. People have died for such hurtful words being said to them just as rape has done. (Which Jun hasn't done)
Rape or no rape depends on how you define sex,
Spoiler alert!!!
How would you feel if someone you liked and trusted tied you up? Then did what Jun did to Siwon? I don't know about you, but I would see that as rape. I'm not trying to argue with you, just want you to see my point on this rape part.
Once again that is not my point. My point under the comment I made mas specifically talking about homophobic slurs. Not about rape. One thing definitely does not nullify another. Rape is never okay and I never said it was...If homophobic slurs is okay by the lot of you then Yaoi isn't for any of you. Find where I condoned rape??? I clearly stated "Jun isn't innocent" and "If the mangaka makes Jun force himself on this whiny ass in denial wimp I am done!!!". Where am I condoning rape??? I am entitled to MY opinion as you are all too. Jun hasn't gone that far. What I don't appreciate is people dismissing what I wrote and putting words into my mouth. I see the wrong Jun has done and have not given him a free pass But I still can't stand what Siwon has been on numerous occasion saying about Jun's sexual preference. He tied him up (Once) because he finally snapped due to all the nastiness out the other's mouth on numerous occasions. Not an excuse at all btw. How would you like it if someone you loved and trusted kept calling you a perverted faggot? Especially after you made out in the past? Last time I checked and by experience of my own eyes you don't make out with someone gay, if you're "straight", due to being drunk. Siwon is in denial too. And no that doesn't give Jun the right to be forceful. Look I am not going to keep going around in circles. In the end people will side either with Jun or with Siwon. You are entitled to dislike Jun as I am to dislike Siwon for whatever reason. And you're definitely most right about defining rape. Now I need some tea. Lol (●'◡'●)ﾉ P.s to be honest they shouldn't end up together. Jun should get counseling for his anger and mommy issues and find someone who isn't in denial. Siwon should get counseling about being homophobic and then get with a girl. That would be a realistic ending!
Lol, but are manga ever realistic?
Not for the most part. Lol But it doesn't make it any less real to us. I mean here we are discussing it like we're watching reality TV (⌒▽⌒) and we all know how real they are.
I have no patience left for the uke!!! He keeps making fun of him being gay using derogatory terms!!! And that pisses me the hell off! SIWON FUCK YOU!!! (╬￣皿￣)凸 I want Jun to get himself a fine hot non bigot uke and flaunt him! I want him to throw out Siwon and never look at him again!!! If the mangaka makes Jun force himself on this whiny ass in denial wimp I am done!!! A kid has no control over his future Siwon no him disappearing wasn't a choice! Jun isn't innocent But calling him nasty names cause he is gay knowing everything Jun went through as a child...no damn excuse!!! (︶︿︶)＝凸