Exactly! There are no details or info about Jaekyung. Not even some background thoughts from him. The closest we had to was when he looked at Dan strangely probably when he found endearing or something. But that's just it. He's the male lead but he's just like there... with no input whatsoever except for being a hot head lol
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gonna have to disagree with you on your point about dan’s consent and jae not being a rapist. dan made an agreement because he didn’t have a choice and couldn’t afford to juggle taking care of himself and his grandmas hospital fees, so he signed the contract out of a last ditch effort not because he was fully in control of the decision making. dan and jae have an extreme power imbalance- jae controls his life by giving him a livable salary, covering all the medical bills, paying off his debt, and providing him with a credible job
it’s extremely disingenuous to say dan 100% consented for jae to sexually abuse him. first of all, a contract is not the end-all-be-all for consent and doesn’t excuse all sexual advances jae makes at dan. second of all, let’s not downplay the rape, dehumanizing, and rude behavior jae takes part in just because there’s worse stuff out there in yaoi . his actions ARE bad and holding him accountable/not liking him is because of his actions and a tragic past won’t erase that. it’ll only make us understand his thought process
Y’ all will do anything to justify toxicity at this point…obviously toxic relationships exist ALL around the world, but that doesn’t justify someone being toxic ??? And it’s one thing for dan to consent to the agreement, but it’s another thing for jaekyung to force him into having intercourse while he’s begging him to stop multiple times, also taking into consideration that he’s not doing this because he wants money but because he badly needs money for his grandma, so he’s also being taken advantage of
RIGHT THANK YOU??
I don't even read this manhwa. I just scrolled through the comments as I was doing a preview and saw your dumbass comment. You literally read Painter of the Night, but you think you have some authority to talk about what "consent" is when POTN is just rape-filled garbage. You are a nastyyyyyy bitch.
The brainrot from reading too much toxic shit is real here. M genuinely concerned about the pple who liked this. Don’t get me wrong there’s nothing bad about reading toxic bl, when I read them I personally don’t dig too much bc it’s fiction but what scares me is the readers reacting like this. Even if you didn’t mean to defend any toxicity, you just did right there, probably unconsciously. Dan agreed to the contract but not to the forced sex, like srsly what are u on pls??? And the story behind Jae acting like this couldn’t justify his actions bc the deeds have already been done for fuck’s sake. If the intention of the story is staying true to reality, then it should be tagged as psychology so pple cannot complain about the toxic part bc it would literally be the genre, here I don’t see it so pple can call the bullshit out anytime. I wrote this bc I was worried about y’all but if u want to take this as me being annoying then be it idc.
NAHH SAME THIS MF IS SO FUNNY After i saw their profile pic i immediately understood
FR THESE MF ARE CERTIFIED MEATRIDERS like do what you want but defending rapists ain’t it even if it’s fiction honestly it’s just plain sad
damn you didn’t have to eat em up !! emphasis on nothing wrong with consuming stories with controversial shit but tryna deny rape and obvious toxic/sexual abuse is what makes the jinx comment section get so heated. the most obvious example of rape and coercion happens and some smooth brain mf will say “the top has trauma, you guys hate him for no reason” AS IF DAWG IS NOT A WHOLE SERIAL RAPIST
imo since this is fiction i could care less about mfs liking the story, the part that makes me pause is them pretending he ain’t awful?? like ok.. you enjoy him but the blatant lying about his character and actions terrifies me. where is the media literacy!!!
Ray you had many good points to talk about.
These relationships do exist. Not everything is happy and nontoxic. In Korea, they still have arranged marriages.
Dan did agree but consent can be given and taken away. What is in Jinx is not rape if you pay attention to the story details line by line and get to know the characters. Jaekyung is not a rapist but he is a sexual abuser. Jaekyung has not raped Dan.
The people here, like Levi are haters and trolls who are over-critical and will lie about the story for their pov. It could have been so much worse. They act like he is the most toxic seme there is but he is from the shallow end.
There have been a few things that have happened and something is coming soon. Mingwa did her research on how Dan is experiencing and feeling all those things. Unfortunately, many readers don't understand this. And made it to be something else.
With Jaekyung, Mingwa's intention is for people to dislike him even though she gives hints about his real self. We have a few things about Jaekyung. I am not falling for her trick and I see who she has him meant to be. He has bad behaviors that need to be mended.
I really like your comment. It has lots to unpack but as you can tell your opinion is not allowed here. People are not accepting of other pov.
Levi comments Dan had a choice. When Dan said no the first time, Jaekyung was on the cell phone calling someone else. If you ever come to understand Dan he said yes for different reasons. But the point is the actual story is clear Dan could have walked away many times. The contact was the second deal as Levi is trying to make that the first time.
Dan changed the amount. He could have walked away and Jaekyung had no clue why he is saying yes to the deal. If you pay attention, Dan has more power than it seems. That power imbalance is used to often showing they don't understand the actual story and trying to make this rape. Levi gaslights you as she gaslights us. Where did you say Dan 100% consented for sexual abuse? You did not.
Levi is correct about the contract. But she is not right about the rape or downplaying rape just because she believes it is rape. The actual story it is not rape. She needs to accept it is SA, coercion, and abuse instead of forcing her opinion on others. She came to you to gaslight you and force her opinion on you.
It seems when you are neutral or positive with Jaekyung, you get one of the trolls saying don't forget his bad behavior. It is like it must be said each time. You must be as hateful and angry as them or there is something wrong with you. That is disingenuous. You did acknowledge it was toxic and his actions are. But you were too neutral for Levi. Then they act like understand his past will justify or erase his actions or something and they have to mention it does not each time.
Hello, My friends and I have been dealing with people like Levi since July. They can't handle opinions or perspectives than their own.
No one justifying anything. Why do you have to gaslight?
Jaekyung has coercion him but forced him into having sex. Dan was begging? I take into consideration you just wanted to attack and just use the actual story. You don't understand Dan or the story. I want to talk about Jinx, not your fanfiction. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed. Please read Jinx better.
You are the being abusive and toxic. You are talking about yourself.
I hope I can stop reading rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed.
When you judge others, you don't define them, you define yourself. (from my friend)
The brain rot from reading too many toxic user comments is real. I am genuinely concerned about how the brain rot has caused so many to go after Ray here. There is nothing wrong with reading toxic BL, there is nothing wrong with Ray's comment. He is acting normal. Where you are being abusive and toxic. Ray did not defend the toxicity. Try reading what is actually said and accept other perspectives than your own.
You need to go back to the story. Jaekyung used coercion but he never forced sex. He is rough. Rough sex is not forced sex. What are you on pls? Why are you on about Jaekyung and his backstory that would justify his actions? Get new material, please. Bad behavior is never justified.
Tagged or not, people would always complain. Ray is normal. Be worried about yourself and how triggered you were over a story to impose positions and degrade them.
I hope I can stop reading brain rot rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed.
Is that the uke from potn? I have not read potn. I don't think that is a good conclusion to draw that from a profile pic.
I should have read this too. What more abuse and toxicity? You are triggered by someone having a different opinion than yours. They are calm, neutral, and ask questions.
You are being toxic, insulting, raging, and forcing your opinions. You believe Jaekyung is a rapist. That is not the actual story, You are one of the meatriders who will not all another opinion than your own. Ray was not defending anything and he was not defending a rapist who is fake and fictional. What have you triggered so much? Why are you so toxic? Why does it have to be your opinion only? Why do you have to gaslight and attack others who are different from you?
Why are you falling for the rage-bait of the story to be as abusive as Jaekyung is to others?
You are attacking real people. Jaekyung and Dan are fake. You are more abusive than Jaekyung. Ray is real and you are imposing positions on him to attack him.
I hope I can stop reading rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed.
When you judge others, you don't define them, you define yourself.
Your bad behavior and the others one here attacking Ray is just plain sad because it is over an opinion on a fictional story.
They're clearly trying to excuse jaekyungs behavior
"relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic" "Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse" just because there's much worse out there doesnt mean their actions are any better
And seeing that they like potn then that explains why. To sum it up, potn is quite literally rape, Stockholm syndrome kind of story.
So the picture pic is from potn. Thanks for indirectly answering me. lol
I will have to try it one day. TM tried a few chapters and dropped it. I still don't think that explains anything. but okay what ever floats your boat.
About the two quotes.... That is not excusing Jaekyung behavior. That is questioning the haters comments on here.
"The only thing I don’t understand about the people hating on this yaoi is that abusive relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic."
- If I am wrong, Ray would have to explain this one but what I am getting these relationships do exist and you guys are only bothered by a fictional one. Ray is saying not everything is rainbow and sunshine in life. Everything is not happy or nontoxic and you guys are excepting Jinx to be loving and dovely instead of being toxic. Ray was being realistic and questioning the haters on this page who complain about the toxicity. We can read toxic BL but we need to understand it is toxic and not happy or nontoxic. Ray is saying Jaekyung is toxic here "not everything is happy or nontoxic = Jinx is not happy and toxic. There was no excusing of Jaekyung's behavior.
"Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse."
-This is saying he is toxic but not as bad as many have made him out to be. Did he kill Dan's family? Did he cut and bruise Dan? Did he confide him and tie him up to rape him. He is saying you guys are being over-critical of the story and his actions because Jaekyung could have done a lot worse than he did. It is not about justifying his actions. It is about taking the over-critical mess back to the actual story. There was no excusing of Jaekyung's behavior.
Everyone enterprets their message differently i guess, but that was how i see it. It's like saying one cant react like that because others have it worse.
Also you should try reading potn and have your own judgement with it, TM dropping it after a few chapters was so understandable, thats how bad it was. Im even shocked myself that i finished it.
The only thing I don’t understand about the people hating on this yaoi is that abusive relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic. And Dan made an agreement with jaekyung in the beginning giving him CONSENT, for all of you talking about rape. Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse. I do agree about how barely anything has happened but I do think that something is coming soon. Honestly the appeal of this story for me is that he isn’t happy right away and that he is experiencing and feeling all these things that so many people go through. I feel like what makes a lot of people dislike jaekyung in general is because we don’t know why he is the way he is. We get all this background for Dan making us relate or feel bad for him but when it comes to jaekyung we get nothing. I think that lack of information plays a big part on the story and was most likely done on purpose. It’s just that without seeing the human side of jaekyung it’s hard to see him as such. There is obviously some history that will be revealed at some point we just have to wait.