I don't know where you got your numbers from but the chapters are more like 75 cents per chapter. You can easily get 100 points from logging in daily for 3 days and with those point buy coins at the discounted rate of 12 coins for $3. 3 coins per chapter puts it at 75 cents. Admittingly more than your 50 cents scenario but not near $3.
Hmm.. I think i just clicked the disagree （￣へ￣）. I am sorry, i meant to click the thumbs up. How i wish all artirst made that move, making a community like a one big happy family. If they ever made that. Im turning into making novels or drawing mangas ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ I dont think the cost reduction would be that much but its really great to have a WebMainForce.
Yes, if you remove the distributor's cut of 40%, and a chunk of that gets to go to the authors, the rest goes to support the site itself. People are getting rich off Lezhin, but it's not the artists. I'm big on thinking the artist should get the biggest piece of the pie, not the middleman.
When I orignally went there, it was 1 buck per coin. 3 Coins per chapter = three bucks per coin. You could get a discount outlaying a lot of money up front. And do I even trust these people with my credit card? I trust Amazon with my credit card, but not everybody.
Oops. Correction: 3 coins, at a buck per coin, and 1 chapter at 3 coins per, is 3 bucks per chapter. Not counting the other sales, etc.
$3 per chapter? clearly you got the coin system confused.
Thats., why dont you make one? Im not sarcastic right now, im pretty serious. It should be a must have for arists -includes literature, art, music,. Thats a dream kind of far away.. If that exist maybe the authors wont care about piracy anymore since they will have many followers in there. And if the followers/fans can actually afford it, they would, and im sure since its paid, theyll treasure/store it like a growing collection xD
Well the price has had a drastic drop since the last time you've been there. For the past few months at least it has been well below $3 per chapter. It doesn't bother me that people complain about the price, maybe 75 cents per chapter is too much for some. But if you're gonna complain, at least get the numbers right. Outside of the point system, Lezhin frequently offers bundle packages and the standard price is $4 for 14 coins, about 86 cents per chapter. I never pay that much per chapter though because the discounts are so easy to come by.
And I trust no one with my credit card, not Lezhin and not Amazon. However I do trust my bank to protect me in the event of an odd transaction.
I'm not an artist. But I do have my work out there and, yes, it's pirated. It's inevitable nowadays.
I also know some creators making thousands a month on Patreon. So, there are ways for artists to make MORE money, though ultimately finding a way to get more of the cut for themselves would be ideal. For me and for them.
Well yea, you cant really get around piracy,. Or maybe you can if you sue, doesnt end tho. Id really like to have the artist have an advantage too, if they took it as a job,. .more took it as a hobby..
Some distributors don't allow for the creators manhwa to be sold else where because they are licensed to the company. I know NAVER does that and I'm sure Lezhin does too. So even if Koogi was given the opportunity to create a patreon and get the support she dserves. I think that would breach some sort of contract >< and possibly a law suit against her might happen
Even more reason for artists to evolve into their own distributors. They get the right to do as they please with their works.
I appreciate manga on this website being uploaded if there no english translation but the official english translations should be paid for (￣∇￣") I will praise the day I get paypal account
yes i do agree, i as a unemployed student cannot get access to mangas on websites such as lehzin or tappy toons and elsewhere. I do understand that all the work does belong to the original authors and they should get credit. Hence i come to websites such as mangago in hopes of finding the same manga here but for free. Tbh fans are the people who upload on mangago so I don't think the site should be directly held responsible in a copyright case. All in all I'm really grateful for sites like mangago which help me fuel my manga needs :) Also i do like the idea of artists coming together to create a website with cheap but good quality mangas/ manhwas
yeah; I agree. This is something that's becoming an issue. All we can do as fans is purchase more of the authors work in order to help them earn more
But is it not her work Lehzin just licenses her work and puts it up for sale right? In the end their just helping her with marketing and nothing else. She does not get played by them- she gets payed according to the amount of sales a chapter makes. This may be very frustrating from an author's stand point. Lets hope that this isn't happening because i would love for her to make a patreon so i can support her works in other ways.
It is her work. She is the one who should benefit the most from it. Art/manhwa/manga isnt treated as a hard job to do (some people really think Art is easy -.- like dude, talent and hardwork in illustration doesnt comeby easily, it is obvious from how animation process goes, they be really straing unto the finish product and say its easy. hah.). About publishing company, well thats their work, as a management,, but creating manga doesnt really involve much of management need,, they could just create content and the Team for online web supervision could take over every work. And if Its an online site,, it would take less maintenance since its all codes, You just need 1 team or even no team and just build a good independent system like how this site does. However since it involve real person creators/illustrators,, there we will enter a bit of complex things since it involve online transaction/money and client information that need to be took great care of for authors and readers. This kind of e-business needed to be maintaned and checked because of unprecedented hackers or online thief. And even after that, piracy would still exist even though the manhwa/manga chapter's cost hast been toned real affordable., some would still want to make easy profit from works they didnt do. This dirty side of capitalism or obtaining any money is quite nauseous,, people's reasons are of course not invalidated, we all know life is hard, and some people do any means to survive, especially if its an easy way. Also, consumers (who doesnt have the money to pay,, or someone decides not to pay due to their reasons) is one of things which contributed in piracy but shouldnt have happened since illustrations of manhwa/manga is definitely a job authors worked for. Readers just thought they didnt pay but theyre actually paying by means of ads and its even someone else, not the author... Even mangago has been bought by someone else and you'll see that ads and redirects if you dont log in to mangago. Teenagers really enjoy manhwas/manga's,, if the illustrators/manga creators has this official site they can drop their works with them reaping all benefits of their hardwork,, lets say, even just using the ads,, if its free, readers would flock and actual author earn still, in authors's end ofcourse they need a good manhwa and plots. Many people enjoy reading, and especially manhwa/manga that caters to the beauty of imagination. Its a phase young ones and even adults enjoy so i hope authors/illustrators will band together to create this official site for novels/manga,, this would be beneficial in the long run. The only problem lies with copyrights, since copyrights tend to be distributed per country. Idk how, if its hard to bypass this without it taking too much of author's hard earned works. I mean sites like Archive of our own does distribute worldwide with their copyrights, but its because the work arent involve with earning money and doesnt have consumer(author/reader) who use online money in cycle related to the site.. Like, Creative arts/llustrations/animations department really should have a stand in this society's industry because people consumed it too much but there was like no system to support its people who is in this field, im quite confused. Its probably in regards with the law,, but since the time is changing and there are more online content,, we should have the law changed to adapt to this new blooming system without trampling the good points of the old law about copyrights for online materials. Im very confused that it aint happening because Art community is quite large. as music industry does. I hope i see positive changes in my lifetime regarding this, tho yeah im a bystander watching and have no power about things like this. We need community round of table (cringey i know but yeah really) to make Art have a solid stand in the business industry. Painting & Art is such an expensive hobby back in the old days, i dont know how it suddenly turned to everyone thinking Art is easy. Art is a precious beauty some people can make in just the tip of their fingers,, Art should be treasured and treated more highly.
Well, i guess it does, but the current generation's art mostly involve visual content arts like animations and illustrations. And also novels but the topics still lies with the Arts related to manga/manhwa. So it belonged to the category. Anyway, this is a dream-like wish i hope would happen someday., for Art industry specially Animations/animators/manhwa,manga,manhua,comic creators to have a solid stand and a community in the society and industry we live right now.
(Its been 3 years and someone replied to this thread, im sorry i think i poured all my thought into this again xD)
I know art is not easy . Living as an artist is not easy (I have several friends who are visual artists, dancers, and writers).
I've paid thousands (literally) for original art..and it adds value to my living experience to see it in my house.
When it comes to manga, I started reading on these sites cause a lot of what seemed interseting wasn't in English (like on Amazon). Later, when I found it on Amaozn, I'd buy the books.
And there have been some I discovered here that I liked enough to read on paid sites and paid hundreds there over the years for bette quality visuals and translaitons.
But honestly, I don't LOVE everything. I might read stuff free that I wouldn't ay a cent to subsideize, rent , or own. If it's taken down, I don't care. It's just sort of a "well, whatever" time wasters.
But there are artists who got my hard-earned money and support cause I discovered them on Mangago or another manga site. I'd never have heard of them without these sites.
One of my writer friends doesn't even bitch about pirates. I thought he would. But he said he actually was discovered by some new people who then BOUGHT and wrote to him to say they found him on a piracy site. New fans who would never have tried him for money, but tried him free.
That's one thing to consider. Visibility. P.R.
The other thing to consider is that a lot of those manga-paying sites are exploitative and pay artists VERY LITTLE, while non-artists get rich. The exploitation is all around.
The subject is more complex than at first thought. :D
I wonder how many artists would make LESS money if there weren't sites like this that act as advertisement? And I don't say that sarcastically. I never heard of any of these Lezhin comics except through MangaGo showing it in updates. I remember paying a quarter per chapter over at Netcomics. Or getting a whole volume of a manga for 3.99 for the digital version at Amazon. That's 3.99 for 5 to 7 chapters.
I checked out a manhwa at Lezhin and it was 3 dollars equivalent for one chapter. Um, no. If the price were more like 50 cents per chapter, I'd pay. If 1000 people paid 50 cents per chapter, that's $500 per chapter. (Some get more than 1000 readers, some far more.) The artist isn't gonna get half (most goes to Google and the site/distributor), so the author might get $100 per chapter based on how they pay. But if that's a 50 chapter work, that's $5000 income.
I wish there was way for artists to cooperate in union fashion, open a site, and charge less, so 10s of thousands would happily pay per chapter. The author would keep more than 50%, since they'd have to chip in for the distribution site. But that would mean, at the rate above, 25 cents per chapter or $250 per chapter per 1000 readers.
Admittedly, $3 per chapter is putting it out of the range of most readers, especially the very young, non-employed ones. They're gonna go read it on free sites.
The future should be that the ones reaping the greatest reward is the artist, NOT the distributor and Google. That means artists better start banding together to offer their own works and taking the lion's share. That means bye-bye Lezhin and hellow artists.
The nature of the modern market, whether it's music or novels or manhwa or films, people want to pay less for streaming items they don't own. I don't own what streams--be it a digital book or a comic on an online site. It's not mine. I just "rent" it. If it's not mine and I just rent it, then it should cost way less. Look at digital books--you can get a lot for 99 cents (100K to read). A song for $1.29 that you can play over and over (few of us read a comic chapter over and over and over for years like we will a song).
Let's see if the artists smarten up.
Also, they can do Patreon and get support from fans for special targeted releases. There are ways for artists to make money--now and to come. They should focus on that because distributors aren't the creators. They should not make MORE than creators.
And we can then pay less.