Lol I’m always coming up with stories in my head. If I could write and/or draw, I’d definitely try to put something together. I like your concept. I would totally read it.
This reminds me of a bl novel. Kinda the same thing but involves a cute bb girl being born from the omega. And the wife chasing is pretty satisfying
Oh ye I know that one
Haha I can draw a prompt if u want
you’re so real for this actually because why all these aob yaois be acting like literally sinking your teeth into somebody don’t got consequences
It's kind of tough. As it IS the setting for an omegaverse. That is their nature. Aside from men getting pregnant.
people are more than just their nature. if humans were just our nature we wouldn’t be here. the crux of omegaverse is more the explicit parallel of gender discrimination as experienced by omegas to real world misogyny as experienced by afab people than it is the marking because it varies too much and sometimes doesn’t exist at all so it’s not tough to make the alphas accountable it just forces yaoi authors to admit the abuse often experienced by the omega in the pairing which the author romanticises/fetishises and that is what’s tough.
hey! wanna let you know winterwonderland is sick in the brain so dont mind them T^T they're def team seme im telling yah
It depends on the omegaverse. But you're comparing real world ppl who are not alphas and oemgas, who are not ruled by pheromones, ruts & heat cycles, during which time they go crazy and wants to mate, mark/be marked, knot during sex & make babies. These ppl are presented as animals. The real world standards are not the same. Quit making it about the real world. If so, every alphas in the world should be behind bars and rot in jail, convicted and condemned at the manifestations of their second gender. And or, as some omegaverses have it, have the omegas so enticing they get rap*d, and or wears collars just so they don't get marked. The spectrum is widely varied. But in this scenario (this particular universe) very few safety bars are set in place, which include the use of inhibitors and isolation, but which has to be done timely, or else could result in the rutting-rape, marking (no collars present in this universe), and lack of use of condoms and bcs, although the option for abortions did exist, as well as bond removal, though at great risk. But nothing aside from isolation and use of inhibitors would prevent that. If it's not Ian ra*ing Noah, it could have been another alpha, or many alphas. Whatever. The universe does not operate under normal human conditions.
Why hold alphas accountable if they're under the influence of sex hormones and pheromones?!? You can.
But what are you gonna do? You can't just isolate the population. Only to intermingle very rarely.
If it's an accidental r*** then what are you gonna do?!? In this case Noah happened to have turned into an omega, so he became receptive to an alpha's pheromones and got induced into heat. And then in turn produced his own pheromones to attract the alpha. If you can't blame nature then what are you gonna do?!?
It depends on how the author wants to paint the dynamics.
Oh wow. @chifuyu_ku
It's so nice of you to call me out when it's not necessary.
Also never said I was team alpha.
Whatever, stop putting words in my mouth.
Like ur so right it makes me mad... But ur right
Me too. If I could draw and write well, I'll do it.
Me too!!! I can draw, but that is curves since my parents came down on my hard and I have given it up and could never get back into it. But I def cannot write a creative piece of work to save my life. Please save me!!! ┗( T﹏T )┛
Me too!!! I can draw, but that was curbed due to my parents coming down on me hard for it was considered a waste of time and I have given it up and could never get back into it. But I def cannot write a creative piece of work to save my life. Please save me!!! ┗( T﹏T )┛
Sorry for typos.
so loud and so wrong.
1) how is it not about the real world when it exactly mirrors the real world and is created in the real world by real world people? the attempts to separate omegaverse to reality that you pointed out are merely excuses to not engage with criticality. the standards are different so it makes it not wrong? it makes not possible to be held accountable? no. it is wrong and they can held accountable. it is the author’s decision not to make the alphas taking accountability possible. which, as i said, is what’s tough.
2) people are affected by hormones during ovulation cycles which has been extensively researched worldwide to historically shown an increase in their libido. mild in some and heavily in others. it doesn’t just change the desires of the one ovulating it also changes their attractiveness to others to evolutionarily increase the chances of reproduction. otherwise known in your words as “sex & make babies” behaviour. so people are not ruled by their hormones but to say it does not heavily impact their daily lives or their bodies or their desires is biologically false.
3) even if we were to entertain your statement of “these people are presented as animals” then we would look at animals such as female dogs who go into heat and you would still be dead wrong. female dogs in heat accepts the male it copulates with during heat the male doesn’t just jumps on it without injury. this behaviour is also seen in other animals such as lions and giraffes where the male senses that the female is in heat and approaches to be accepted for mating like the male giraffe would approach the female’s rear and if she likes him she would pee in his mouth so that he could sense the chemicals of the pheromones in her urine to indicate that the reproductive window is open. there is none of the lose your fucking mind in a frenzy. it is only described as a frenzy by humans with different mating habits. your argument is also rut specific so we could look at deers for example as the male goes into rut they compete for territory and when the females are ready to mate they enter the territory of the male of their choosing. the point which i have made in abundance is that even animals do not behave in that manner. holding someone down because you can and because you want to is human behaviour.
4) you saying that if it wasn’t “ian raping noah, it could have been another alpha, or many alphas” means what exactly? noah still suffered greatly, leaving only to live in fear of ian coming after him for five whole fucking years. and it’s not like the fear is unfounded when ian showed up and immediately isolated noah of everything that was present in his daily life whilst simultaneously blackmailed him into marriage by holding his sick son over his head. plus who is to say that noah would have been raped regardless? what if he managed to get away? clearly raising his son who has rare sickness and finding job and maintaining shelter shows that noah is capable, why are we assuming that him being raped some kind of destiny for him? what if an unaffected beta helped him? what if some omega got him to safety? what if some alpha sensed noah in heat and called someone who could help him instead of being the one to rape him? what’s crazy is you acting as though the rape is unavoidable when it could be avoided a dozen ways alone within this set universe but what matters is that the author choose not to and what matters is you accepting that.
4) furthermore, if we were indulge the insane idea of “accidental rape” we would still have to look at ian raping noah right now. which he is because all noah does is ask for ian to stop and all ian does is treat him like a hole and not an actual person. they’re both mated. neither of them are “ruled” by “their nature” now are they? ian is just raping noah now because he can.
5) what is this “it is their nature” and “if you can’t blame nature then what are you gonna do” business?? you’re blindly missing the fact that if they were just their nature it wouldn’t have been possible to have inhibitors or abortions or mark removal surgery. all of these procedures and safeguards are proof that they can be more than their nature and are currently more than their nature. the reason more safeguards doesn’t exist and no accountability for the alphas’ actions are given is because, as i said, multiple times, that it mirrors the real world. this universe is run by alphas and as such has little to no protection for omegas because when it comes to “rutting rape” and “accidental rape” and a million other ways you could call it to somehow excuse that it is rape or justify the rape, it is only the omegas who are hurt and the omegas who have to go through pregnancy and childbirth. the alphas are fine. they ‘lose their minds’ a little and go back to their normal life whilst omegas’ lives would be altered forever from the trauma or the pregnancy or the abortion or the childbirth or the accumulation of any of those factors. this is a reality that afab people face all around the world. child marriages are legal in the states with no minimum age as well as nearly 65000 pregnancies incurred by rape in states with abortions, in the uk the rise in rape accusations is up by 43% and fell by 52% in the numbers prosecuted, abortion bans and restrictions are rising in europe, korea’s 4B movement was founded on the sexual violence south korean women face in every aspect of their relationship with men. famous cases of rape where the defendant had no evidence to say he did not rape somebody, his testimony is always that he was inebriated and “out of his mind”. there are even old court transcripts where the accused claims he was possessed by the devil causing him to become a serial rapist. but nothing are ever wrong with these men, not hormonally, not mentally: they do it because they can and even when we know they do it people still say it was unavoidable. the ratio between the shit you read and the life outside of it is 1:1 always.
6) and for your information i would never even consider a separatist society. it is not only extreme but stupid. the separation wouldn’t make the issue, or any for that matter, better, it would the problem worse because the lack of socialisation limits empathy and compassion making dehumanisation an easier default to have. there are many immediate bandaid solutions that could be implemented like on the top of my head alone: emergency helplines where unaffected betas who are the majority of the population could come the omega’s aid or secure the alpha in rut as well as install isolation rooms in public buildings like malls or schools or restaurants to ensure their safety until their heat/rut subsides enough for inhibitors or return home. long term solutions should be policies like teaching children these survival and prevention measures in schools when they’re young the way proper sex ed can save lives. policies also have long term social impacts like a shift in a population’s attitudes and fundamentally change the perception of vulnerable animal in heat and sink their fucking teeth in somebody but instead see person in pain must get help. a sociopolitical shift also has economical implications like more businesses focusing on biotechnological development to help people maintain their autonomy during their heat/rut. not just better medication and advanced procedures but masks for example like rain seasons increases successful mating because the humidity traps pheromones in the air for longer so masks that filters out these pheromones or block them can help plenty. there are even more ways like financial and legal compensation for the violated if it does occur but i believe the image is clear. but that is not the point is it? so you’re right omegaverse obviously doesn’t exist in normal real world conditions. we don’t go to into heat and we don’t knot and we don’t have pheromones dictating our actions. but in every other way they’re just like us. they have rich men who abuse their power and wealth to make people who ran away from them marry them against their will and so do we. we have everything that world does. so just because it is different doesn’t make it immune to being better. it is problematic as fuck that given the power to write anything into their universe, to make anything possible — these authors always choose rape and sexual violence, always they choose to romanticise what happened, to have gratuitous violence for the sake of violence and always they choose to make the abused end up with the abuser. which was entirely the point of having at least one of them suffer consequences to begin with.
so loud and so wrong.
1) how is it not about the real world when it exactly mirrors the real world and is created in the real world by real world people? the attempts to separate omegaverse to reality that you pointed out are merely excuses to not engage with criticality. the standards are different so it makes it not wrong? it makes not possible to be held accountable? no. it is wrong and they can held accountable. it is the author’s decision not to make the alphas taking accountability possible. which, as i said, is what’s tough.
2) people are affected by hormones during ovulation cycles which has been extensively researched worldwide to historically shown an increase in their libido. mild in some and heavily in others. it doesn’t just change the desires of the one ovulating it also changes their attractiveness to others to evolutionarily increase the chances of reproduction. otherwise known in your words as “sex & make babies” behaviour. so people are not ruled by their hormones but to say it does not heavily impact their daily lives or their bodies or their desires is biologically false.
3) even if we were to entertain your statement of “these people are presented as animals” then we would look at animals such as female dogs who go into heat and you would still be dead wrong. female dogs in heat accepts the male it copulates with during heat the male doesn’t just jumps on it without injury. this behaviour is also seen in other animals such as lions and giraffes where the male senses that the female is in heat and approaches to be accepted for mating like the male giraffe would approach the female’s rear and if she likes him she would pee in his mouth so that he could sense the chemicals of the pheromones in her urine to indicate that the reproductive window is open. there is none of the lose your fucking mind in a frenzy. it is only described as a frenzy by humans with different mating habits. your argument is also rut specific so we could look at deers for example as the male goes into rut they compete for territory and when the females are ready to mate they enter the territory of the male of their choosing. the point which i have made in abundance is that even animals do not behave in that manner. holding someone down because you can and because you want to is human behaviour.
4) you saying that if it wasn’t “ian raping noah, it could have been another alpha, or many alphas” means what exactly? noah still suffered greatly, leaving only to live in fear of ian coming after him for five whole fucking years. and it’s not like the fear is unfounded when ian showed up and immediately isolated noah of everything that was present in his daily life whilst simultaneously blackmailed him into marriage by holding his sick son over his head. plus who is to say that noah would have been raped regardless? what if he managed to get away? clearly raising his son who has rare sickness and finding job and maintaining shelter shows that noah is capable, why are we assuming that him being raped some kind of destiny for him? what if an unaffected beta helped him? what if some omega got him to safety? what if some alpha sensed noah in heat and called someone who could help him instead of being the one to rape him? what’s crazy is you acting as though the rape is unavoidable when it could be avoided a dozen ways alone within this set universe but what matters is that the author choose not to and what matters is you accepting that.
4) furthermore, if we were indulge the insane idea of “accidental rape” we would still have to look at ian raping noah right now. which he is because all noah does is ask for ian to stop and all ian does is treat him like a hole and not an actual person. they’re both mated. neither of them are “ruled” by “their nature” now are they? ian is just raping noah now because he can.
5) what is this “it is their nature” and “if you can’t blame nature then what are you gonna do” business?? you’re blindly missing the fact that if they were just their nature it wouldn’t have been possible to have inhibitors or abortions or mark removal surgery. all of these procedures and safeguards are proof that they can be more than their nature and are currently more than their nature. the reason more safeguards doesn’t exist and no accountability for the alphas’ actions are given is because, as i said, multiple times, that it mirrors the real world. this universe is run by alphas and as such has little to no protection for omegas because when it comes to “rutting rape” and “accidental rape” and a million other ways you could call it to somehow excuse that it is rape or justify the rape, it is only the omegas who are hurt and the omegas who have to go through pregnancy and childbirth. the alphas are fine. they ‘lose their minds’ a little and go back to their normal life whilst omegas’ lives would be altered forever from the trauma or the pregnancy or the abortion or the childbirth or the accumulation of any of those factors. this is a reality that afab people face all around the world. child marriages are legal in the states with no minimum age as well as nearly 65000 pregnancies incurred by rape in states with abortions, in the uk the rise in rape accusations is up by 43% and fell by 52% in the numbers prosecuted, abortion bans and restrictions are rising in europe, korea’s 4B movement was founded on the sexual violence south korean women face in every aspect of their relationship with men. famous cases of rape where the defendant had no evidence to say he did not rape somebody, his testimony is always that he was inebriated and “out of his mind”. there are even old court transcripts where the accused claims he was possessed by the devil causing him to become a serial rapist. but nothing are ever wrong with these men, not hormonally, not mentally: they do it because they can and even when we know they do it people still say it was unavoidable. the ratio between the shit you read and the life outside of it is 1:1 always.
6) and for your information i would never even consider a separatist society. it is not only extreme but stupid. the separation wouldn’t make the issue, or any for that matter, better, it would the problem worse because the lack of socialisation limits empathy and compassion making dehumanisation an easier default to have. there are many immediate bandaid solutions that could be implemented like on the top of my head alone: emergency helplines where unaffected betas who are the majority of the population could come the omega’s aid or secure the alpha in rut as well as install isolation rooms in public buildings like malls or schools or restaurants to ensure their safety until their heat/rut subsides enough for inhibitors or return home. long term solutions should be policies like teaching children these survival and prevention measures in schools when they’re young the way proper sex ed can save lives. policies also have long term social impacts like a shift in a population’s attitudes and fundamentally change the perception of vulnerable animal in heat and sink their fucking teeth in somebody but instead see person in pain must get help. a sociopolitical shift also has economical implications like more businesses focusing on biotechnological development to help people maintain their autonomy during their heat/rut. not just better medication and advanced procedures but masks for example like rain seasons increases successful mating because the humidity traps pheromones in the air for longer so masks that filters out these pheromones or block them can help plenty. there are even more ways like financial and legal compensation for the violated if it does occur but i believe the image is clear. but that is not the point is it? so you’re right omegaverse obviously doesn’t exist in normal real world conditions. we don’t go to into heat and we don’t knot and we don’t have pheromones dictating our actions. but in every other way they’re just like us. they have rich men who abuse their power and wealth to make people who ran away from them marry them against their will and so do we. we have everything that world does. so just because it is different doesn’t make it immune to being better. it is problematic as fuck that given the power to write anything into their universe, to make anything possible — these authors always choose rape and sexual violence, always they choose to romanticise what happened, to have gratuitous violence for the sake of violence and always they choose to make the abused end up with the abuser. which was entirely the point of having at least one of them suffer consequences to begin with.
I agree with most of what you have said here. But again, my point still stands. Aside from the rutting take and Pheromone influence, they ARE like us. But again, because they are NOT like us, the same rulings cannot be applied. Thanks for heavily delineating animal procreations. Everything you have said is true. However, I have YET to encounter an abo verse where the author implemented these tools.
And as far as: <<you’re blindly missing the fact that if they were just their nature it wouldn’t have been possible to have inhibitors or abortions or mark removal surgery. all of these procedures and safeguards are proof that they can be more than their nature and are currently more than their nature.>> They are RULED by their nature, when isolation and meds/inhibtors aren't present and applied in a timely manner, then nature takes the reigh. Fine. Even if you argue that it's not "animalistic" then see how it's being presented as them losing control, consciousness, and executive functioning. These are what I meant by animalistic nature. They're no longer capable of higher level of thinking.
As for the rest of the time, sure, they can be held accountable as human beings.
Anyways, you're preaching to the choir. I don't need this sh_t in my life.
I didn't know that much about animal procreation in terms of those other animals you have listed. All I know is I've experienced some dog/s jumping on my because they can't contain themselves, their eyes glazed over like some wild beasts, because of their heightened sense of smells. In most omegaverses alphas and omegas have receptors for pheromones and glands to produce them. They can can manipulate these pheromones production at will, so if that were used to manipulate people, then yes, they can be held accountable. Just not during ruts, since they have NO CONTROL over themselves. I just don't understand what you don't understand about an aboverse. If you want to see an aboverse that doesn't follow this trope, then make one of your own that defies this standard. No one is stopping you.
And fantasy just remains in the fantasy realm. Why are you calling out other ppl's fantasies as of it's real life?!? I just don't understand you people.
And actually it's BECAUSE they can't handle being more than beast mode during ruts an cheats that's why inhibitors and mark removal procedures exists in the first place.
Yes, ideally, there should be "educational programs" for the masses that includes betas, but would you like to go into this comic and implement it?!? And or set up some kind of shielding for when alphas or omegas goes into heat?!? How many ppl in the world often stops to help someone in need?!? In many ABOs I've read betas don't understand and don't give a fuck because they can't sense pheromones, aren't affected by them, and don't understand what it's like going into ruts and heats. So, all I can say is you can do your BEST to implement things, but whether ppl are willing to follow or not is something else. Also, who are the ppl who are gonna suggest and implement these policies. If the betas are unaffected, they can care less.bof enough omegas calls for implementation then perhaps. Don't know.
Anyways, these are fantasies and ppl can imagine what they want. I don't understand why you feel the need to explicate everything that is the real world.
Authors and artists are just like us. Imagine things and fantasize things. The ONLY difference is that they're able to formulate this into a work of art, written, and illustrated. It's THEIR imagination. Are you gonna go into their heads and start manipulating or shutting their brains down?!? Who are you to police such things. If you don't like what they write or illustrate, just make your own. Instead of railing and decrying their works.
Representations be damned. It's just a piece of fiction. Someone's imaginations. If you don't like it read something else. Create your OWN shit.
In my head, I would always want a omegaverse story where the omega/alpha had a misunderstanding, alpha blamed the omega for mating with him (even though he's the one who marked him), and in the end, the omega undergoes surgery to remove his mark to free the alpha. Then the omega survives, but the consequence of it is the omega never getting affected by pheromones and will be immune to bite marks (even if an alpha bit him, it will heal). He will be like an ordinary beta, but he will still have omega pheromones. The alpha will learn his mistakes and try to win over omega, but due to the mark removal, omega doesn't remember him. And even if they become a couple in the end, him unable to give the omega a permanent bite mark will haunt him forever.
This manwha touched on the bite mark removal surgery, but I really wish that the alpha will suffer once he realizes that he's the one who bites down the omega. It really pains me when the omega is blaming himself for his selfishness and really wished for him to escape that seme and just be with the childhood friend.