totally. a lot of the times BL does include a lot of toxic stuff, but the whole genre CANNOT be held to the same standard. young adult (straight) smut stories include lot of the same toxic themes, but the whole genre isn't flamed for it? a lot of the bad in the whole community stems from exactly what that other user was talking about when commenters acknowledge the rpe/SA and still approve of it. some of these stories are genuinely good about not containing toxic themes, even better so than some other genres sometimes, but no one seems to care about those and instead generalize everything altogether. there are absolutely way too many stories nowadays just relying on themes of SA/rpe though, I do agree with that and hope it changes in the future. And yeah, the whole "fetishizing gay men" thing seems to be just something people use to argue. People literally fetishize anything in any kind of romance media, think of prnhub or like any other obscene media... it's not good of course, but there's no reason for BL/yaoi to be labelled as "THE" fetishizing genre when it happens everywhere.
there have been so many people literally saying death threats to women especially on twt for simply READING yaoi. not once did this post mention defending rape, this is not abt rape but abt ppl who shame women for reading BL/yaoi.
if u do not believe women r being sent death threats for this just search on tiktok and twitter and type “fujoshi”
Bec Bara nd yaoi r more diff since u said that it's mostly made by men well of course it's going to be different since bara made by gay men for gay men and its more of a realistic story unlike yaoi that is very unrealistic and ik what ur talking abt bec there's also alot of men fetishizing lesbian relationships,,, they fetishised r*pe, toxic relationships , age gaps (ex. 16 and 30) and ik these also happens to other genre.. annd most ppl hate fujoshis bec they r the annoying type since they always find a way to be annoying nd force ships that isn't Canon at all ex.(bakudeku) ,,especially if they would go around a straight romance nd wished it was yaoi?? Additionally, I'm simply talking about how most YAOI romanticize toxic relationships and fetishize gay relationships, which are based on manipulation and lack of consent but are always perceived as really hot and sexy.
Yeah, the tropes that are so heavily criticized are not something exclusive to BL, they're just as popular outside of it. Just look at straight smut. Age gaps, obsessiveness and jealousy and sa are all tropes that you can find in booktok's favourite romances. And I won't say that "no one bats an eye then" but people making BL out to be some horrid genre and talking like it has nothing else to offer are ridiculous.
I think the hate against yaoi is so unwarranted because the toxicity in yaoi is found in every other genre but for some reason yaoi is always being signaled out. I honestly 100% believe that the hate is rooted in misogyny because yaoi/bls are targeted towards a female audience and is created by women. People just see women like a certain thing and decide to hate on it. Like do y’all not think who brought bls/yaoi to be where it is now..?
Obvi, I’m not defending everything that happens in yaoi because yeah it’s fucked up. But people on here act like yaoi is the devils creation and shit like that. The same things you see in yaoi, I guarantee you’ll it in yuri and any straight story but the energy is never the same.
And before y’all be like “omg it fetishizes gay men” STFU. The people I see hating aren’t even gay nor a man and y’all speak for the whole community like they all agree. Yaoi is no different from any other story with the difference only being the between two men.