I wouldn't say that enjoying a trope in fiction is the same as enjoying it irl, but rather...

Turnip January 11, 2024 6:44 am

I wouldn't say that enjoying a trope in fiction is the same as enjoying it irl, but rather it's the refusal to be critical of these tropes or even allow others to be critical that raises concern. Discussion and criticism is a totally healthy aspect of a community and shouldn't be demonized, and the analysis and critique of enjoyable media is all a part of media literacy.

Though I will say, that it's one thing to critique media and another to judge or condemn those who consume said media based solely on the fact that they enjoy it.
But (for example) if someone in the comments were to read the latest chapter and start "shipping" a literal infant with a grown adult (fictional or otherwise), I think that's condemnable behavior worthy of critique because it does glean insight to a concerning pattern of thought.
Being "sensitive" to troubling themes is not a bad thing and it's those who cry and complain at the sight of criticism that are actually insecure and emotionally/mentally immature

And if you see a take you disagree with, argue if you find that fulfilling or just don't engage, but don't argue and then complain about always having to argue and defend what you enjoy, because frankly, you don't have to. That's a choice you're making.

Responses
    Urh January 13, 2024 1:12 pm
    dude, i stopped expecting an intelligent discussion from the people on this platform 4 years ago because they take a facetious comment as an attack on someone else's character somehow (exhibit a right here). i ... kitty

    So you're just genuinely not getting it. I said people like you because you clearly are only targetting people who are critisizing the manga, and not the tone of people defending it like it was their own talking about a lack of maturity while acting like children.

    kitty January 13, 2024 4:06 pm
    So you're just genuinely not getting it. I said people like you because you clearly are only targetting people who are critisizing the manga, and not the tone of people defending it like it was their own talkin... Urh

    my dude... im not targeting anyone and it has nothing to do with the tones nor sides....

    and im not relating the "other side" as being children in way of maturity.... im saying there's a large amount of actual kids on this website who are actually incapable of having said nuisance discussions because they're only connecting with the media in a surface level manner....

    stop taking my opinion as an actual personal attack please lol. its not that serious.

    Urh January 13, 2024 5:48 pm
    my dude... im not targeting anyone and it has nothing to do with the tones nor sides....and im not relating the "other side" as being children in way of maturity.... im saying there's a large amount of actual ... kitty

    So I as I commented at the beginning, you did not, and still don't, understand the orignal comment's point at all, else you'd stop critisizing other people's way of giving their opinion. This aside, the site should be more regulated in terms of age matters yes, but let's be real for one second, age doesn't equal a specific form of intelligence, just because the comment lacks actual depths doesn't mean the person who wrote is an actual child, vice-versa.

    kitty January 14, 2024 12:06 am
    So I as I commented at the beginning, you did not, and still don't, understand the orignal comment's point at all, else you'd stop critisizing other people's way of giving their opinion. This aside, the site sh... Urh

    soooo once again, i didn't criticize the way people gave their opinion either. nor did i ever say that it was *only* children who make up the vapid comments, just that kids contribute a large factor of them. children are inherently considered as such due to the fact that they're mentally underdeveloped, so idk why we're trying to pretend they aren't.

    i don't think you understand that i wasn't coming at the original commenter with malice, which is why you keep trying to put words in my mouth. that or you're a kid yourself who has hurt feelings about the kid portion of what i said lmao, and if thats the case, then thats a you problem.

    lowkey tired of telling you what i didn't say when what i said is right there in plain day english. it literally can be summed up as "sure you can, but why bother when people are dumb lol." i dont understand how you're somehow missing this.

    Urh January 14, 2024 1:59 am
    soooo once again, i didn't criticize the way people gave their opinion either. nor did i ever say that it was *only* children who make up the vapid comments, just that kids contribute a large factor of them. ch... kitty

    "waste of time, and a bigger waste of time when you realize the amount of analytically challenged children that are on this site that seem unable to actually comprehend what it is they're reading to give a meaningful critque on it to begin with."
    -Your own words since you clearly seem to have forgotten about them even tho you wrote them. Read them again and explain how this isn't you critisizing people.

    Urh January 14, 2024 2:01 am
    soooo once again, i didn't criticize the way people gave their opinion either. nor did i ever say that it was *only* children who make up the vapid comments, just that kids contribute a large factor of them. ch... kitty

    You wouldn't have to tire yourself if you didn't try so hard to act as if no one could see your comments after you posted them, too bad for you mangago doesn't have the option to delete the ones you leave in response of other comments.

    kitty January 14, 2024 5:19 am
    "waste of time, and a bigger waste of time when you realize the amount of analytically challenged children that are on this site that seem unable to actually comprehend what it is they're reading to give a mean... Urh

    okay so heres a list of all the things you've tried to say my criticism is about:
    1. the original comment in general
    >> "you commenting on someone else's comment just to say their comment is pointless is"
    2. "belittling" the original commenter by saying they're "too young or too sensitive"
    >> "you really expect someone to speak nicely and intelligently to people like you who belittle them by saying they're too sensitive and too young?"
    3. the tone in which people give their criticism and the side in which their opinion is coming from
    >> "you clearly are only targetting people who are critisizing the manga, and not the tone of people defending it like it was their own talking about a lack of maturity while acting like children"
    4. (most recent) the manner in which people give their criticism
    >>"you'd stop critisizing other people's way of giving their opinion"

    you have subsequently stopped mentioning each one presumably in recognition that it has nothing to do with what i was initially saying. good job! in my most reply to you, i did say that i didn't criticize anyone's *way* of giving an opinion, because i did not. never said there was a certain way to say an opinion, no enforcing certain wordage, none of that.

    i DID say "waste of time, and a bigger waste of time when you realize the amount of analytically challenged children that are on this site that seem unable to actually comprehend what it is they're reading to give a meaningful critque on it to begin with."

    what is this statement saying? you could read it, but ill go ahead and tell you that its suggesting that its a waste of time trying to engage meaningful/anaylatical discussion with the amount of children who seem to consume yaoi in a vapid manner and aren't mentally mature enough to entertain such conversations. is this saying all children? nope! in even simpler means, its saying its a waste of time bothering because the response you receive might not be as stimulating and well thought out as one might of hoped for. in the simplest of meanings: its a waste of time because it could be unfulfilling/disappointing. you could argue that this is flawed reasoning as well (and it definitely is at its most simplistic state), but not in any of the ways in which you have tried to suggest for the past like two days.

    if you're in your feelings that i punctuated my thoughts of theoretical children by saying they're "analytically challenged" and lack reading comprehension, then once again, that is a y o u problem, and i'm afraid i don't care enough to sit here and help you solve it, to be quite real with you. if it helps, next time i make a facetious comment, i'll be sure to include it with an /s or a "lol" at the end so those such as yourself don't get indirectly insulted to the point where you're taking up arms in defense for the hapless.

    Urh January 14, 2024 7:15 am

    It's tiring to speak with someone as tone deaf as you, the point of a public comment section is to freely comment what you want without arrogant people such as yourself calling it pointless or "analytically challenge".
    I don't dwell on each of my point everytime I respond coz you obviously have an issue with owning to what you write and I don't wish to waste more time on a point when I know you're just gonna keep denying it.
    Or just straight up misunderstand what I said, like the thing about "belittling the original commenter" when I was clearly mentioning comments as in plural (hence why I wrote "I read through a good chunk of them").
    Have at least the decency to stop inventing new meaning to your sentences, especially since it's not like you left any room to interpretation. I can't believe you still have the nerve to say you got what the og commenter was saying and you still continue to argue about "children" supposedly not having a deep enough understanding on a subject to leave an opinion.

    Urh January 14, 2024 7:18 am
    okay so heres a list of all the things you've tried to say my criticism is about:1. the original comment in general>> "you commenting on someone else's comment just to say their comment is pointless is"2.... kitty

    Your complete lack of awareness of your passive aggressive behavior under a comment stating to leave people give their own opinions in peace is appalling.

    kitty January 14, 2024 12:42 pm
    It's tiring to speak with someone as tone deaf as you, the point of a public comment section is to freely comment what you want without arrogant people such as yourself calling it pointless or "analytically cha... Urh

    once more, the only person offended by what i said, and thought it was an attack against the original commenter, is you. they responded, seemingly taking no offense with what I said, and i even let them know that i understood what they're getting at. ive been passive aggressive with YOU because thats how you started off replying to me. if you're not "dwell" (read: prove) on each one of your accusations, then im not quite sure why you bothered to bring them up in the first place, but yet here we are i guess.

    moving forward, i do implore you to not take what's said in the comment sections too close to heart to the point where your making leaps just to interpret what someone's saying and turn it to something else when its true meaning isn't even that complicated! i even simplified it for you, and you still just don't want to acknowledge it, so it truly is moot to continue rehashing the same thing~

    Urh January 14, 2024 11:05 pm
    once more, the only person offended by what i said, and thought it was an attack against the original commenter, is you. they responded, seemingly taking no offense with what I said, and i even let them know th... kitty

    I'm not gonna bother reading your bullshit since you obviously don't bother to read my comment with your eyes open, I made it clear I was talking about comments here and not the one from the original commenter in particular, and I doubled it down in the comment you've just responded to.

    cheese January 15, 2024 1:08 am

    omg bruh this shit is from DAYS ago why is there still an ongoing dumbass argument if u don’t agree then stop responding that is the mature thing to do bc people will not change their minds do not waste ur time trying to change it

    cheese January 15, 2024 1:09 am
    omg bruh this shit is from DAYS ago why is there still an ongoing dumbass argument if u don’t agree then stop responding that is the mature thing to do bc people will not change their minds do not waste ur t... cheese

    this applies to both of u

    sam January 15, 2024 1:14 am
    this applies to both of u cheese

    Nah let them cook

    cheese January 15, 2024 1:22 am
    Nah let them cook sam

    u right u right

    ohlook January 15, 2024 3:03 am
    we know einstein cheese

    Then you should also know no one gives a fuck about your dissertation this is literally gay smut fiction go HOME

    Turnip January 15, 2024 4:05 am
    Nah let them cook sam

    Lmao fr, this is getting interesting

    cheese January 15, 2024 8:22 am
    Then you should also know no one gives a fuck about your dissertation this is literally gay smut fiction go HOME ohlook

    bro calm tf down it is not that serious go outside or smth

    ohlook January 15, 2024 4:24 pm
    bro calm tf down it is not that serious go outside or smth cheese

    Not that serious and yet you're blowing all this hot air, going black and blue, desperate to "critique" OMEGAVERSE YAOI SMUT if anyone needs to touch grass it's you bc if anything is not that serious it's this story

    cheese January 15, 2024 6:03 pm
    Not that serious and yet you're blowing all this hot air, going black and blue, desperate to "critique" OMEGAVERSE YAOI SMUT if anyone needs to touch grass it's you bc if anything is not that serious it's this... ohlook

    ive made like 1 comment here about this topic on this entire thread? bro r u confusing me w someone else or smth….