why is everyone acting as if this is a good romance??? like come on

Exactly! And the story is kind of unfinished? Like the whole Introns thing with Edwin? Also you don’t see any kind of gradual change in the ML’s mindset it’s just BOOM suddenly he has feelings for the MC

Cry about it...?
There's a lot of people like you for some reason. People who can't seem to draw the line between fiction and reality. Just because it's fiction doesn't excuse any type of violence or rape but you easily forget these characters are made up. Whoever made them decides how they feel and how they perceive whatever happens to them and the author decided Kyon would be okay with what happened to him because he loves Lucaon. At one point Kyon WANTED/ANTICIPATED the moment Lucaon would do those things to him. And the fact that that literally relates to reality but blows over your head is insane. People do have preferences when it comes to their sex life and as learned if you actually sat down and read the manga, Lucaon becomes became regretful of his actions and changed but Kyon preferred it when Lucaon was rough with him. If you don't like the manga I promise you absolutely no one forced you to finish it. It was good, whether you like it or not. But hey, everyone has different opinions and yours and the rest of the people who did enjoy it differ

wahhh wahhh im actively crying about it right now :'((

just say you like rape in bl it's okay. these defenses are so funny like yeah it's not real and it's fiction or whatever but i still get to judge you for being weird. my opinion is it's gross! calling it a romance is gross!! and that you're weird if you like it!!! keep using the fiction thing though as if that's not the same excuse lolicons and shotacons use. people are allowed to like this but I'm allowed to think they're weird and gross for doing so. the lengths you people will go to defend these rapey bls is so funny like you didn't need to say all that.

Thanks for proving my point. Despite me literally starting my comment with it's not okay you say it is. Don't have a good day weirdo. That kind of mindset is something that IS gross! :)

the way you felt the need to respond to my comment in the first place tells me all i need to know about you. and yeah, IM the weirdo. also "dont have a good day" is so juvenile lmao. like okay. anyway, stay mad.

im not going to speak on this story because i dropped it and i dont remember the plot or characters, but i general i hate the argument of "its fiction" because what we read and what we watch does in fact effect our perception of things (even subconsciously)
also to hide behind the pretense of "its fiction" to justify depiction of something vile, is in fact disgusting. (im not speaking on this story, im just speaking on your remark on fiction)
and to clarify- there are very well written stories with dark themes, but there is purpose to it, a profound message, a nuanced reflection of reality, a take on the effects of trauma etc.

thank you for this. i enjoy stories with dark themes, but those themes need to be handled with the gravity they deserve. a story that includes rape and calls itself a romance IS going to have an effect on readers. especially young readers. the fiction excuse really doesn't work when fiction CAN effect reality.

i hate the normalization of these kinds of stories, those lacking any actual criticism of the dark/toxic themes they include. the bl genre is oversaturated with stories where the mc gets raped by the ml, but it's treated as "romance" and acts as though rape isn't incredibly traumatic and one of the worst things you can do to a person. one cannot love the person they've raped, and the victim 'loving' their rapist often comes from a place of trauma and a need to cope with their situation. i don't care if it's fiction. normalizing these acts and calling them romantic does have an effect on reality and the mindsets of impressionable readers.

i see so many comments on bls with vile rapist mls calling them "hot" and acting like the acts depicted are somehow cute/romantic. you can already see the way fiction effects perception based on such comments. let's face it, most people who read bl are young, and very impressionable, minors.

we learn from media and the romance it depicts. many popular romance movies/shows today include incredibly toxic mls who abuse the female lead, and yet, no one seems to bat an eye. a bad boy is "hot" in the eyes of these viewers. the abuse depicted isn't bad because the fl "redeems" the ml with her love. what happens when these young viewers get into relationships of their own? we base our own expectations of romance/life on what we learn from the people and media around us. if you grow up seeing rape/abuse excused and downplayed in romance, what will most likely occur if you enter a relationship where you experience said abuse?

in all, fiction DOES effect reality, as much as you'd like to pretend it doesn't. defending everything by saying "it's just fiction" tells me you lack the critical thinking required to understand the ways in which the media we consume effects our perception.

That would in fact make you a vile and disgusting character. Don't force your ugliness into others. If you see a dark/violent manga/TV show quite literally anything in that category and you decide that's how you're gonna perceive your reality, YOU are vile and disgusting. So again, don't try pushing that on anyone else who can easily draw a line between the two.

It's honestly insane that I just had to type a comment like that. I thought this would've been common sense for readers.

yes it is honestly insane that you couldn't think of a better way to deflect so you had to type a comment like that.
let me make this crystal clear to you:
there is nothing inherently wrong with writing a story with dark and violent themes
(there are plenty of well written stories like that)
but it becomes a problem when stories dont handle these themes properly.

so many yaoi especially, have an issue with rape and sa, where those things happen and its just glossed over, downplayed and romanticized.
portraying rape and sa like that is horrible and there is no purpose or reason for it.

then you have the very real aspect of an impressionable audience.

there are so many studies that show that what people read and watch has an impact, and especially on a young impressionable audience. (a lot of yaoi/bl readers are indeed relatively young)
victim blaming as if its someones fault for being impressionable is really messed up btw.

good for you that you can separate fiction from reality, but you arent looking at the bigger picture...
the amount of people i saw treating killing stalking as if it was a bl (when it isnt) and being very sad that it didnt have a "happy ending" speaks volumes on the damage that has been done.

please do some research on brain chemistry. the content we consume DOES effect how we see things. it's genuinely not that difficult of a concept to understand. porn rewires our brains, so does gore. romance in media builds our own thoughts/expectations/perceptions around relationships. we learn from the world around us. do you truly believe that the content you've consumed throughout your life hasnt effected you? not even in subtle ways? there's a reason the normalization of certain things like rape and romance/rape porn/rape kinks, etc. is harmful. we aren't saying you'll become a rapist just from watching rape in media or that you'll become a killer just from watching violent content. you WILL be effected, however, often in subtle and subconscious ways.

this honestly feels like you trying to defend your own enjoyment of such things. you got so offended by my original comment you felt the need to respond explaining yourself. you took it personally and continue to do so. this makes it really hard to take your argument seriously when it's clear youre just trying to rationalize liking shit like this. if you're so big on letting people have their own opinions, let me have mine that you're weird for liking this and weird for defending it and move on.

exactly. we don't choose how we perceive things. its not even something we are usually conscious of. to say someone would choose to perceive things in a certain way is so dumb and shows me they just don't know what they're talking about.

watching a show with dark themes that aren't shown in a critical light at all is different from watching a show that actively handles such themes in a proper fashion. if you are exposed to something and told it is bad, obviously you aren't going to go on to perceive the themes shown as 'good' or 'normal.' context is important as well.

Deflect? I think you should know the meaning of these words before using them. I replied to what you said still talking about what you said.

LMAO right. The one calling out your sick and vile mindset is the one who's messed up. Not the person with said mindset who clearly won't just go get the help they need.

The bigger picture? I've been on these sites/been in these communities long enough. There will ALWAYS be people speaking out about the fantasizing of these things. If you haven't seen them, don't even bother lying because there's just no way you haven't.
And specifically dealing with this manga, the main character was in fact given chances to leave but he enjoyed being by the main lead's side. Like I'm sure I've said but you most likely chose to ignore, whether you like it or not, even in reality people have their own sexual preferences of preferring their partners to be rough with them. Not once did you see the main character say he enjoyed being SA'd or raped. And not once did you see the main lead NOT apologize for how he did treat him. And again, like I've said but you 100% ignored, it being fiction doesnt excuse how he treated him but thanks to being able to do something as simple as knowing where the line between fiction and reality starts and ends, these characters are NOT real so when you see them forgive the main character for whatever it is that happened, it ENDS there. You don't need to force anyone to add onto it because there's literally nothing to add onto. Their world has ended and their world only exists because YOU have an imagination.
And yes I spoke specifically about this manga because we're literally under the manga, why would it not be used as an example?

You speak about killing stalking but I don't see people repeating the actions of that character and then saying "well it's because they did it in killing stalking"

And it is NOT just yaoi.
This shit happens in Yuri and in literal straight manga and it's the same people like you who can only call it out when it happens in yaoi. Suddenly it's only worth being called out when it happens in yaoi.
And the same "many studies" you refer to are hardly statistics coming from these kinds of novels. So it'd be nice if YOU didn't deflect.
The people who reads these, fortunately, thank God, are a good amount who can draw the line between fiction and reality. Then there's just others like you who can't and then push their "messed up, vile and disgusting" mindset onto others instead of just getting the help you so clearly need.

But hey, I'm done with this since I do know where that line is and I'm not the one who has your messed up mindset Don't have a good day weirdo, but I do hope you get the help you need!

you said it better than me

blocked them because at this point their bullshit has genuinely started to rot my brain. like who gets that mad when someone has the audacity to point out the fact that fiction DOES effect reality. and then to turn around and call said someone disgusting and vile because you're angry they made good points. also the "don't have a good day weirdo" is KILLING me. they really thought they ate with that.

youre the one who is not able to see that there is a difference between well written dark themes and straight up romanticization of dark theme's.
to you its all the same and its all ok because its fiction.
but sure im the one with the messed up mindset.
and for the record, i never said this was an exclusively yaoi problem.

they even added an emoji...gotta appreciate the details in their effort lol
but yeah im so done with this bullshit.

damn, just take the L and get the help YOU need. why feeling the need to defend rape in any kind of media or form at all? talk through it with your therapist, sheesh.