Next thing you see is that he dropped that thing on purpose cuz he know uke will pick it u...

Bruh I really don't wanna say it but op is moving like a rape apologist. Ok I get it it's an Omegaverse but are you seriously gonna say the rut made him to do it, why he went there, why put himself in that situation. Doesn't it all sound familiar to you? Isn't how people behave in real life with rape victims?? Why did you wear that, why did you go there alone, why did you provoke them. Honestly it's scary how they are writing paragraph after paragraph defending seme calling it critical thinking. See I wouldn't have called him a scumbag if he had just cleared it in the beginning and said they r just fwb but no he play pretended with that domestic shit, said he's sleeping with him cuz he's a beta what was uke supposed to think? Assume it's just physical on his own?? Who tf can defend him with so much confidence and say he didn't rape him. It's a fking rape if both parties aren't consenting. Ok Seme wasn't in mental state to do so he was going on his 'instincts' so what about the present?? Hm? Isn't that also rape?? He used his scent didn't he if I remember right and triggered the heat then didn't let uke see his own son. Was that not rape?? Or we gonna act like it's okay since they are 'bonded' so it's okay like people overlook marital rape. It's just so fked up man. . Sry for rambling am just baffled

I see all of that but you're assuming Ian had led Noah on. Noah had never expressed to Ian what he had wanted in the relationship until MUCH MUCH LATER. Ian had felt that since Noah was going along, that he was Ok with this sexual relationship. We don't know if he had known beforehand before Noah had explicitly asked Ian if this was theirs going out.

I'm not missing ANYTHING in fact.

Ofc Noah didn't go in there with the INTENTION of getting marked. And the same can be said for Ian. He hadn't expected an ex-FWB to suddenly show up at his door. Sure, Noah had messaged him before hand, but Ian had never read it, so how would he have known to expect Noah?!. He was already pretty far gone in his heat by the time Noah had shown up. Noah brought the injector as an excuse to see him one last time, but that injector became USELESS. The irony.

Ian had not even wanted a serious relationship, why would he consciously have sex with Noah after they had broken up?!? He was under the influence of the sex hormones and the pheromones. I REALLY don't get why you guys don't get this when this is an OMEGAVERSE. Ian had NOT WANTED any kind of a relationship, why would he have had sex with Noah after knowing his feelings and why would he mark the omega if he had been lucid. He didn't even want to settle down. Not sure why you guys only see Noah as the one who is the victim when they were both victims of their own fate?!? If Ian had been lucid he would not have had sex with Noah. Period.

And yes, I know why YeJun went there. The comic CLEARLY spelled it out. It was foolish of him to do so, yes, he didn't know Ian was rutting. But neither of them had known that Noah had started to turn/already turned, and now just need to be activated by alpha's pherormones. You're acting as if they both knew this. If they did, Ian wouldn't have let him in. But he didn't because his desire, as an alpha, is to mate with an omega. And Noah just happenes to be there, somehow got turned, and so they both took a tumble in bed. Ian was no rapist. I really don't understand why you guys don't understand the incapacitation and out-of controllness these guys feel and are under and yet you claim to understand the comic...

When it's CLEARLY an omegaverse. Maybe it's high time to go get well-versed and or re-acquaint yourselves with what an Omegaverse is. You know animalistic instincts taking over?!?

You think PPL haven't tried explaining this to her/him/them! It's been two to three weeks and they are here every other day defending ian the rapist like their life depends on it. It's literally giving victim shaming (blaming even)poor comprehensive skills and lack of a basic sense empathy

Don't be sorry.
Regardless of fiction nor reality; rape is wrong, and there's no excuse for it.

Who's peanut brain are we taking about?!? When was Ian abusive to Noah in the past?!? I'm so confused by your analysis I don't even know what's up anymore....they were literally JUST FWB. What is that so confuses that you would think that Ian had been abusive?!? You say abuse in not just in physical But in words as well. Ok. I get that. But err, WHERE in the comic in the flashbacks of their relationship was this even depicted?!?

Peanut -sized brain?!? I don't think so. Go back and reread their past.

And wow. Stooping so low as to call me names.

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NOBODY CALLED SEME ABUSER. DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO READ????? HOW ABOUT YOU GO CHECK MEANING OF RAPE IN DICTIONARY??? IF ONE PARTY IS NON CONSENTING IT MEANS IT IS RAPE NOTHING ELSE. BEING AN OMEGAVERSE DOESN'T EXCUSE ANYTHING!!! DO NOT FKING DARE PUT IT ON UKE LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG! I WANTED TO IGNORE YOU IN BEGINNING BUT YOU INDEED ARE RAPE APOLOGIST WITH THE WAY YOU TALK IT SHOWS ENOUGH. WRITING PARAGRAPHS AIN'T GONNA CHANGE SHIT. WRITE YOUR OWN COMMENTS INSTEAD.

It's not rape in an omegaverse when. Literally the very definition and setting for an omegaver is that alphas and omegas are ruled by pheromones, sex hormones and rutting and mating instincts. I'm not talking about the first chapter where he consciously induced Noah into heat. I'm talking about the rutting sex where he had no control over himself. That is not rape since he had no faculty and it wasn't of his own doing. He didn't induce himself into heat. Makes no sense whatsoever. When animals are in heat, they mate. Simple.

And no, I wasnt talking about the OP. I'm sorry but I was responding to someone who had told me that Ian had abused Noah. Or at least had used the same analogy to compare why Noah returns to Ian, because precisely they are like abuse victims, always returning to the abuser. I'm sorry but this response was not to the OP. The person who wrote this comment decided they didn't want to talk about it so I'm just including that in my comment.

Block the witch. They aren't deserve your time.

Ofc he led Noah on, it was very clear to ian and to the readers that Noah was inexperienced, he literally said ian was the first guy he had been with. It was never made clear to him what their situationship was. So how is he, a naive first timer, supposed to know it's a Fwb thing and not a relationship dating thing.
Have i ever implied that he intentionally fucked him during his rut knowing it was noah? Go search all my comments and show me where have i mentioned that anyone was aware of his omega trait manifesting, I've literally been saying for weeks that he nor ian was aware of his own fucking true gender. It's like everything flies over your head.

Like you keep giving a myriad of excuses for ian, a guy who went out of his way to assault Noah 5 years later. Why can't you share a bit of your empathy for the guy who's being assaulted by him? Is it mentioned anywhere that Noah wanted to be tied down with a baby?

Get over yourself!!!
a week ago you could barely comprehend a hyper recessive omega with all that omega verse well-versedness" of yours. And stop trying to pedal the whole rape is acceptable cause omegaverse blah blah animalistic instinct nonsense. Are they gonna be like animals the whole time? Do they have no moments of sanity or the ability to rationalize or emphasize with each other??
If the ABOverse in thIS manhwa has concepts of racism and socioeconomic statuses then why can't there also be a space to have a conversation about consent. GO RE ACQUAINT YOURSELF WITH SOME BASIC ASS COMMON SENSE.

Am genuinely baffled how they read the whole thing and came to conclusion that seme is the innocent one here like did we read the same thing? Did we miss a chapter where seme explained he just wants sex n nothing else. Critical thinking my ass.

Talking about the innocent of being under the control of sex hormones. Wasn't talking about the FWB sitch.

Lmaooo they are literally lording that "critical thinking" over the rest of us cattle people, cause i accused them of having none last week.

Well I'm sorry if I overstated my case. I don't remember who is who anymore. I'm not keeping track. There is only one of me responding and a thousand other ppl responding back, so it may have been addressed comprehensively, if not necessarily you alone. I honestly don't remember if I have ever had a conversation with you specifically about recessiveness of an omega. But since this an OMEGAVERSE where LITERALLY, while Ian was forcing the omega into heat in the beginning of the comic, is of how they become subjected to the animalistic instincts during heats and ruts, and you can also see the examples in the flash back where Ian had no control of himself. This is the Literal setting for an omegaverse, and for THIS one specifically, that they are not lucid and yes, are like animals the whole time during their ruts. I'm not taking about the time Ian forced Noah into heat consciously. That was a very douchey thing to do. I'm talking about taking responsibility as alphas and omegas, not measure by stands of betas, or people like us, who aren't under the influence of their genes to enhance their mating urges.

They already using that 'critical thinking' like a catchphrase long ago in the past. As if they alone realize how absurd their argument is, so saying 'critical thinking' can help to justify their absurd opinion ╮(￣▽￣)╭

*in the chapters at the beginning while Ian had forced Noah into heat and then forced him to have sex with him, he was explaining how omegas and alphas are made to become nothing more than animals.

The subject of mine not knowing what a hyper recessive omega (or alpha) has nothing to do with this argument or my lack of understanding of Omegaverses in general. The point is that I understand very well the setting for the omegaverse. Not understanding a hyper recessive affect this understanding none-at-all. The point is that he had either been a latent hyper recessive that had been activated or that he had been a beta and has been induced to turn into an omega is not relevant to this discussion. No matter which case this was, he's been turned, so it really doesn't matter. The point I'm trying to get across is that ppl are so upset about the rutting sex AS IF Ian had forced him into heat and sex and then marking him and knotting with him as if he had been a conscious person, such as that of beta, or of when the alpha is not in rut. The ruler by which we measure alphas and omegas by our standards as normal, non-sex hormone-influenced cycles, cannot be applied to animals, which is what they become during sex. This is not the same the conscious coercive sex we see at the begining of the comic. And yes, it depends on the author to choose how STRONGLY these primal sexual urges affect the alphas and omegas in their story. This one seems pretty strong, so that is the measure we need to go by to hold someone accountable. If an alpha or omega is overwhelmed and ruled by their mating instincts during ruts and heats then they aren't lucid and have no control of themselves. This is a natural response by alphas and omegas, such is the same if women who menstruate. They have no control over when they're going to menstruate, the length of time of the menstruation, and how heavy the cycle is, or how excruciating the PMS are. This is pure simple biology. It has nothing to do with them as human beings, when they subjected to their innately born nature, which gets expressed as they grow older. There is nothing to debate about this. You CANNOT use the same measuring stick to measure people who don't operate the same as you are physiologically. The measuring stick is for when Ian is not in rut, but is doing it intentionally. THAT'S when they can be held accountable, but NOT when they are at the mercy of the biological clock and biological structuring.

Biology simply cannot be changed. They are born with it. It's like asking a person to change their skin color or their eye color or their height. This is what they are BORN with and you cannot simply ask them to change this. You cannot ask biology to change for you. That simply DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Now, as for socio-economics and racism, these are man-made concepts. Concepts can be changed any time. They are fluid in nature and is not tied down by nor ruled by nature. They are ideas and concepts, and ideas and thoughts can change at any time.

Gurl you have been typing out dissertations after dissertations weekly defending ian long before this rut chapter update.

Even before the rut incident, ian was already an asshole by never setting boundaries in their FWB thing, stringing him along all the while knowing Noah's inexperienced and naive disposition.

Second, you can excuse the rut incident, but it's canon that ian has no qualms forcing himself on Noah outside his rut, even going to the extent of forcefully inducing a heat.
You can justify his actions all you want with your inate animalistic instincts and biological reasonings but even if it didn't exist, ian is still a fucking douche who deserved to be flamed.

What was the point of typing the useless paragraph on the bottom? what does it have to do with my initial question of the possibility for discussions of consent in this particular ABOverse if topics such as racial discrimination, socioeconomic disparities are also at play. The characters in this story are set in a modern capitalistic society, all this shits are not just mere concepts but it's literally the fabric of their societies.

Well I lost my train of thought in the end, cause it's just repetition of the same thing over and over again. Omegas would still make up for 10% in an ABO SOCIETY IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR ONE TO ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY conversations on consent in their society, not every alpha in an ABOVERSE would be a shit stain like ian and you can see that in Noah's childhood friend who cares and supports him and his young son.

Yes yes, all this escalated from a comment I posted 70+ tabs ago about ABO stories always dickriding SA as a plot and they went on some random tangent about self lubricating assholes That's literally where it all started and it's so weird that they've chosen this to be the hill to die on

Some people just have no shame and brain. They won't stop as if this ridiculous game has their life hang on it. Just ignore their bullshit and enjoy your precious time for something else.

Hope everyone under my comment do ignore all the bs ╥﹏╥ it's morning here and I wanna leave it to yesterday. Don't let it ruin your day ahead. I was srsly just baffled last night I don't usually get involve on internet discourse but I guess last night was too much so let's just leave it. Honestly I am waiting for the next chapter for entire different reason now.