Hmmm

Yumgum November 27, 2023 7:42 pm

I’m a little conflicted on the uncle against the dad situation, at first I was cheering the uncle on(and still kinda am) but as of right now it’s being heavily hinted at that the dad might be controlled by the Japanese team and readers knows this but the mc doesn’t so it causes this situation we’re the uncle says/does all this crap about the dad(which from his viewpoint and many others is justifiable) but from a readers standpoint it’s kinda feels like bashing a victim.

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    Uju-chan November 27, 2023 11:23 pm

    lol dude how’s that his fault. Again you said from his standpoint the dad is a shitty human. Also MCs standpoint is the only one that matters from a readers standpoint. Everyone is going through it

    Shadow November 28, 2023 1:03 am
    lol dude how’s that his fault. Again you said from his standpoint the dad is a shitty human. Also MCs standpoint is the only one that matters from a readers standpoint. Everyone is going through it Uju-chan

    Right cuz what? How is the dad the victim after he abandoned his family in Korea and is on the news talking about how he "doesnt have a daughter" when he very much does. Jihan has every right to say what he wants about him especially when he and his niece have to deal with the aftermath of him going to japan.

    akuma_river November 28, 2023 1:30 am
    Right cuz what? How is the dad the victim after he abandoned his family in Korea and is on the news talking about how he "doesnt have a daughter" when he very much does. Jihan has every right to say what he wan... Shadow

    Because the dad is being brainwashed, controlled, and raped by that woman. So yes, he is a victim.

    For all we know his memories of his family have been erased.

    Uju-chan November 28, 2023 1:58 am
    Because the dad is being brainwashed, controlled, and raped by that woman. So yes, he is a victim.For all we know his memories of his family have been erased. akuma_river

    Again not their fault. Even if he’s no longer brainwashed, he can’t expect them to forgive him

    Yumgum November 28, 2023 2:32 am
    Again not their fault. Even if he’s no longer brainwashed, he can’t expect them to forgive him Uju-chan

    I know that’s not their fault, it’s Japan’s fault, I never blamed the uncle or daughter that’s why I stated that I understand his point of view considering he doesn’t now what we the reader know. I’m just saying I do feel some sympathy for the father if he’s being brainwashed into doing these things.

    Shadow November 28, 2023 4:22 am
    I know that’s not their fault, it’s Japan’s fault, I never blamed the uncle or daughter that’s why I stated that I understand his point of view considering he doesn’t now what we the reader know. I’... Yumgum

    I understand what you're saying. What I meant was that even if he's being brainwashed, it doesnt take change the fact that he abandoned and traumatized his daughter. Honestly let me get my hands on the bitch that did it. I'll wring her damn neck.

    Yumgum November 28, 2023 5:15 am
    I understand what you're saying. What I meant was that even if he's being brainwashed, it doesnt take change the fact that he abandoned and traumatized his daughter. Honestly let me get my hands on the bitch th... Shadow

    I know what you mean too out of everyone most definitely the daughter is the most hurt. That’s one of the main reasons I like about this manhwa, the uncle niece relationship, I do really like the bond they have and how the uncle is doing everything he can to make it up to her after his regression

    Nizze December 18, 2023 4:05 pm
    Because the dad is being brainwashed, controlled, and raped by that woman. So yes, he is a victim.For all we know his memories of his family have been erased. akuma_river

    You see the thing is... being a "victim" doesn't give you a free pass to hurt others. Knowing he was brainwashed doesn't erase all the shee he did and doesn't magically heal those who've been hurt.
    Also from what I know... she only managed to do it cuz he chose to deal with his grief from loosing his wife by whoring around so on that ponit I disagree about him being rped...
    So yeah... I do hope he free himself and go back to who he was... but I also hope the process is slow... being too fast will undermine all suffering he caused.

    akuma_river December 19, 2023 6:15 am
    You see the thing is... being a "victim" doesn't give you a free pass to hurt others. Knowing he was brainwashed doesn't erase all the shee he did and doesn't magically heal those who've been hurt.Also from wha... Nizze

    What on earth are you talking about?

    Brainwashed in fantasy stories means they are not in control. They cannot consent. They are not responsible for what they do because it is similar to possession.

    And your comments about him being a whore and how it doesn't mean he was raped is completely off target. Based on his background in the story he was completely devoted to his wife even after she died. That woman brainwashed him and controls him and she uses sex (which he cannot consent to) as the method to do it.

    And for another, it doesn't even matter if he was a whore. Prostitutes can be raped too. Consent matters.

    Nizze December 19, 2023 7:28 am
    What on earth are you talking about?Brainwashed in fantasy stories means they are not in control. They cannot consent. They are not responsible for what they do because it is similar to possession. And your com... akuma_river

    You didn't get what I meant? Maybe I was given wrong spoilers. Because as I was told he was devoted till her death. And dealt with his grief by sleeping around. Before that no one had a chance to brainwash him. He was brainwashed through sx... but the sx came before the brainwashing. And it was also said somewhere that she had a hard time brainwashing him because of his strong mentality, so he very probably bedded her at least a couple times before he had "no choice".

    While I do agree consent matters and prostitutes can be victims too he was not a prostitute. If you need a comparison involving sx it would rather be a promiscuous guy going around doing anyone raw, catching some std and getting sick. He is sick? Yes. Needs help? Yes. But unfortunately it's a consequence of his past choices. Not victim blaming is as important as accountability. Liking or not we do judge people differently. No one looks the same way as someone who's paraplegic from being his by a drunk driver and a drunk drives who got paraplegic after hitting someone while drunk. He certainly didn't "consent" to causing an accident, but it is a consequence of his choices.

    Again. He might be a victim from some point onwards. But he didn't start as one and being brainwashed doesn't mean he's automatically forgiven cuz "he wasn't in control of himself". Just like people ain't acquitted from crimes under influence of drugs.