Wtf

THANK YOU OMG these people are genuinely so lost in their delusions of thinking rape can be seen as justifiable when it's "fictional". they're SO desensitized to real life issues because they've been indulging themselves in storylines that consist of it. and any time someone points out how morally wrong they are they start complaining as if THEY aren't the ones in the wrong. i don't understand how you can claim to separate fictional rape from rape in the real world when they're so interconnected and when fictional rape literally RELIES on real rape for content. people need to get off their phones and look around them and realize that being 16 yrs old and relying on stories with rape plots for pleasure is CONCERNING. and it's the fact that they try and claim that they're not reading for the "smut" or the sex scenes when that's literally all the story consists of....

ONG... bro no probs.. its just ppl in this thread are kinda ticking me off. like they need to wake up and look around and realize the shit they consuming isnt as sprinkle cherry cupcake brownie butter as they want it to be...

Honestly, I'd be bored just reading smooth stories. There's already Disney to smooth everything out. I love reading adorable things as much as 'dark romance'. That's the point of a book: to write stories that can take on many different dimensions, and thank God for that. What's wrong with rape when it's treated well? He doesn't validate what he's been through. It's not cute and nobody makes it cute. Nevertheless, yes, the evolution the main character takes is great, there's a great psychology, we're all eager to find out what happens next. If we follow your resonances: No more talking about anything. We do away with everything. We no longer allow people to be creative and to talk freely about all possible subjects, to write dark stories that go wrong, with drama and so on...
That's self-righteousness.
It would be rape with a declaration of love in the middle, or a character who starts to enjoy it: I'd agree with you. But he didn't. He didn't like it.
If we follow your logic: we kill emotions in concrete terms. We're no longer surprised, we don't get attached as much, we don't feel anger, we're not surprised by the atrocious choices a character can make, we're not shocked by anything etc... This work moves me, because it's not smooth. It's a reflection of life. It's not cute or perfect. It doesn't sell dreams every 10 seconds. It's a human being who makes mistakes. Another who fights to get by. And it's just as beautiful to read as it is adorable. That's just my opinion.

Now, what I find sad are the people who come to invalidate people who quietly read the work. Why read so many chapters and then disparage the readers? It's ironic for toxic people to scream that it's "wrong" to read this and upset others. No one is saying it's wrong to read only cute stories. I don't see unhealthy comments on 100% cute stories insulting you. It's a lack of tolerance to force others to think like you (I say you, but maybe not you, I haven't read the lame comments). It's disrespectful to come on a work and criticize its readers. Nobody asked for anything. Just respect.

no one is judging ppl who read it, its just the people who read it and MAKE IT SEEM GOOD. its not abt weather u like reading fluff or dark romance. Its abt who and HOW they consume this. there is something wrong w rape in a story if its not treated well, but its not abt the book mainly, its abt the people consuming this. Their age, maturity, are they consuming this negatively or positively? what will they get out of this once they read it? Its about the negative impact it has on people and how they view the romanticizing of rape in stories just like this. If you feel insulted by someone saying that LIKING this type of content is wrong then obviously there may be an issue here. No one is insulting anyone, its just the way u interpret the critic's words that makes it seem like an insult and even so, it shldnt bother u as it is the internet we are talkin bout here. and the cute stories dont have comments insulting u is because most of them do not contain the glorification of... RAPE in them, unlike "dark romance". No one is forcing another person's opinions, its a fair point to say u (not specifically u) are strange to like something like this when its being praised or desensitized. No one is asking to follow this logic, they are asking you to rethink YOUR own logic, and try see the wrong as well as your won view in this. I agree with you to some extent but as i said, It really isnt supposed to insult anyone, just share a view, its until ppl started attacking lets say. them back and calling them names too... that it really did become something.... and no one just comes one a piece of work, they read it, thought about it, and made their judgements. If you believe in "Just respect" you wldnt call the comments "lame" and you would try to listen. sorry if im being rude here i just tryly want to give u my view.

Hear Hear bro.

... so like my main point is that you shouldn't bring up irl morals when it comes to fictional content. Personally I can separate it but like I said, it's understandable that some people can't. It also depends on the type of media, like I despise the rape in GOT and avoid the show bc of it -- it's gratuitous and there to shame the female chars for no reason. Dark romance has plenty of other romanticized elements -- the ML being overly possessive and jealous, stalking behavior, being a murderer or in organized crime, bullying the MC, etc. For whatever reason, this stuff is attractive to ppl as a fantasy even tho it's completely disgusting or terrifying irl. I think it's unfair to bring up "what about the 16 yos looking at this?" because.. adult content isn't made for them and 18+ warnings exist for a reason. It's good to question what kind of messages are being sent to younger gens but the consensus about smut/porn is already that *any* of it (no matter how "healthy") can have negative effects. If a minor chooses to read it regardless, it's on them if it affects their world view or whatever -- it's not on authors to stop writing this content or on other readers to always give warnings.
Again i agree with u on some stuff, it *is* concerning if you need rape plots for pleasure since that's what porn addiction does to you. But 1) that's a way larger issue than can be blamed on dark romance/manga and 2) ppl aren't always reading rape plots to jerk off, it's just about the "ooh this is dark and twisted" factor that appeals to humans and makes content more interesting. Personally I actually do read waterside night for the "plot" lol?? I think the psychological elements are well done and toxic romances are intriguing. There's really no right and wrong here; I'm positive we can all agree that rape is bad so whether a fictional portrayal is hot or not should just be an agree to disagree situation.

and that's exactly the poiinntt. we all know damn well 16 yr olds view content like this take Euphoria for example, aint no way ppl gon tell 14 yr olds not to watch it when it portrays people of their age. Now Bl is a whole different thing cause it doesnt even matter if a 45yr old is reading this cause again portraying rape in these things needs to be done with utter most care. and to for u to say "There's really no right and wrong here; I'm positive we can all agree that rape is bad so whether a fictional portrayal is hot or not should just be an agree to disagree situation" is a bit much huh... cause there is no way we have to agree and disagree on weather RAPE is hot, rape is NOT HOT, period point blank we shldnt be talking bout this. what some of the ppl here are concerned abt is the fact that if Rape is romanticized and portrayed as chilling and thrilling teens as well as the older demographic may start to see this as ok, it isnt a disagree or agree, it is quite literally Psychology and a proven thing. You can read books with rape that isnt a problemo, but it depends on how its portrayed, if its romanticized then we have a problem if u like it no? if its portrayed as sad and an extremely immoral thing (as it shld be) then yes you can say "I like how they portrayed this! wowwowow!!!"

However I completely agree with ur point right hereee:

> If a minor chooses to read it regardless, it's on them if it affects their world view or whatever -- it's not on authors to stop writing this content or on other readers to always give warnings.<

Yes yes, the author gave warnings, but the issue isnt whether they write rape as i said... its HOW they write it. But your point is correct no author should have the responsibility of taking care of somebody child.

this point of yours:

>2) ppl aren't always reading rape plots to jerk off, it's just about the "ooh this is dark and twisted" factor that appeals to humans and makes content more interesting. Personally I actually do read waterside night for the "plot" lol?? I think the psychological elements are well done and toxic romances are intriguing.<

Is is something i can agree on, not everyone is gon jack off to this, but as BL is marketed to a certain demographic of ppl rather than queers sometimes, its is really a small chance someone wouldnt find this hot and "jack off". In all honesty the "ooh this is dark and twisted" shldnt be seen as a good reaction to rape being written since rape isnt an intriguing book genre or museum piece, the main reaction i think ppl shld have is "Wow this happens in our world today and this is so disgusting and sad, so DARK and TWISTED this is, No one shld go through this of course." and that is the basic reaction one must have imo.

Now ur FIRST point kind of made my jaw drop ngl....

>so like my main point is that you shouldn't bring up irl morals when it comes to fictional content.<

This isnt a correct way of thinking and this is why most of these books are marketed towards adults, to avoid this type of interpretation, it may be fiction but again adult shows portray what happens in the REAL WORLD, that someone younger than 14 wont understand so for you to basically (my interpretation of what u said sorry if its off correct me please pleaseee) to say when its portrayed in fiction its different, is a bit fucked up negl. Cause NO, it isnt, it is the exact same thing just depends on how realistically they can capture it in there chosen media. which isnt easy. Bringing IRL morals into fictional content is actually a very important thing to do when reading these types of things, as it SHOULD stop one from desensitizing the severity of the issue, it shld make readers gasp and nod at the MESSAGE that is portrayed in the book, fiction is supposed to make you feel, understand, ponder, comprehend, question what ur reading and empathize with or challenge the author and other fellow readers.

Well my main point is to an extent u may be correct but again, some of your points are a little interesting and I am not tryna change ur views just tryna make u understand that they didnt mean that you shld stop reading these types of things, its just u need to be careful when reading them and talking abt them cause at the end of the day it is a REAL LIFE issue, so when u talk with someone abt it, the book didnt warp ur view and u wont desensitize the issue.

Im so sorry for wasting ur time, I just want to help u understand what they (probs) meant and wanted to ensure that no one gets offended or feels like their feeling are being invalidated because of this matter. Thank you if you even read this far.

okay so i already noticed someone already responded to you with a pretty big paragraph, so i won't say TOO much . but like i said in previous comments i think it's irrational to not bring in irl morals into fiction when they're so interconnected and one relies on the other. and i think i used the example of lolicon or wtv and how you genuinely cannot separate it from the real world, because it reflects that you like kids in a sexual way, fictional or not. and i can understand how they're two different topics, but essentially the morality should still remain the same.

and honestly any representations of rape or sexual violence in fiction can be extremely sensitive and potentially triggering for survivors. authors and distributors of this content have a responsibility to tread carefully to ensure that the depiction of rape is handled responsibly and sensitively, without glorifying or trivializing the serious issue. and u said smth about people saying "ooo this is dark and twisted", that's the problem... rape shouldn't just be something dark and twisted for you to read

and in all honesty, this manhwa does not have well done psychological elements

Lol bro saying not taking it that seriously right after flooding my notifsit's not my problem some people can't distinguish fiction vs. reality. If a person is reading lolicon then expects that is what's gonna happen irl I'd say that's a big red flad on that person's mental health. Just because there're people with mental issues that have problems with separating fiction and reality doesn't mean you just adjust every single piece of media to be appropriate for them. You give the example of young children but these manhwa have an age restriction for a reason?? Human brain and id still develops till the age of 18 so it's recommended to police what that age group consumes in media as they can't separate fiction and reality sometimes.. and I assure you that I'm not under 18 and reading stuff that's restricted for my age :)

Anyway I'm muting this, but an advice, if something's restricted for your age don't read it and if you are reading it learn how to separate it from reality. If you can't, maybe try real therapy instead of seeking it from manhwa here

Last I’ll say on this I disagree that rape (and other dark or taboo topics) should only be portrayed like “this is sad and immoral”. Its like, this is nice to say and all but humans just aren’t like that. Go back as far in history as u want, ppl have been doing kinky, nasty shit and writing worse because again that appeals to us. You can be grossed out abt it but it doesnt change the facts that ppl can have these desires *without* ever wanting it in reality. Same with harmless desires even, like I will never understand whats hot abt smelling armpits but i wont shame ppl who do like that. Fiction isnt causing a 1-to-1 normalization of these topics, our society would be a lot more fucked up if that were the case lol but its complex. Fr just, focus ur energies on harmful rhetorics that *do* exist irl?

honestly last thing ill say as well cuz this has been going on for a while, but in all seriousness if you use fiction vs reality as justification you're probably the one who may need therapy

It must suck to realise that all this preaching will literailly slide off the entire industry without so much as a scratch. The next author is penning their own toxic yaoi and I am waiting to consume it - perhaps a few million others too, but then, they may have been converted by the above rant. 'Nough said.

You give a point of view on a work or people enjoy reading about it. Sorry but at some point, stop pissing people off. That's all there is to it. Flemme to read everything, I already written my point of view well enough.

and i dont think i care, your point of view is fucked. thank you, i was tryna be nice and give another perspective...3 but now u pissed me off.

Just end it here.

Oh dear, just a reminder: You come here to piss us off, on a book report where readers don't bother anyone and leave lovely comments, and you come to give us your moral crap and on top of that we have to listen to you? The nerve. You're so toxic. Is that really all you've got to do in your little life, to piss off people who are quietly reading? I respond to you and people respond to you because you impose your opinion. And we don't give a damn about your opinion. We didn't ask you, okay?
Can't you shut your mouth and notice that nobody asked you for your opinion? Can't you see when you're being annoying?
You're pitiful, sweetheart. You're the one who disturbs everyone by forcing people to think like you, but then again: no one asked your opinion. You'd have to be extremely stupid to read a work of nearly a hundred chapters, and then criticize the people who read and appreciate it. In addition to pissing us off.
Go get other people drunk, honey. We don't need to go and criticize people and then go and harass them. Go and see a therapist to talk about your need to give your opinion on everything from behind your computer. And to impose your vision of life and your shitty morals. With that, adios. I'm not going to waste any more minutes on an idiot who indulges in too much. Clown.

Bro i think ur the clown. Ur the one who needs therapy for ur fucked up morals. No one was forcing them its just ur weak ass mindset that made u sensitive to peoples criticism that you thought it was "forcing down someone's throat" I was quite polite about my opinion and how i felt that maybe the other person before me who was talking bout it probs didnt mention it in a malicious way, but no ur too sensitive to realise we are humans and we have opinions and fuck off with ur "sweetheart" shit you sound like a fucking idiot, embarrassing least to say. Your acting as if we slung our opinions into ur ass, nobody was trying to, its just ur pride is hurt that you people actually take ur opinion negatively like normal human beings, but instead of being polite about the criticism you barked like a fucking bitch. To use "Go to therapy" as an insult is quite pathetic, cause it is quite obvious u need the therapy since you cant seem to contain ur emotions when it comes to peoples opinions, this is a fucking manga site excpect the critics, How am i toxic for trying to give my opinion? your the toxic one for telling people to shut their mouths about their opinion. You need to fucking relax and actually use ur goddamn brain for once and realise you arent the only one here. Your fucking pathetic and need to fucking socialize goofy ass bitch, blinded by your fucking stupidity, ffs.

damn they ate u up