omegaverse is basically made to just have men be women and face misogyny so this all isnt ...

aaa November 4, 2023 8:42 pm

omegaverse is basically made to just have men be women and face misogyny so this all isnt surprising. but... why even bother making this omegaverse? just to make m/m porn? what's the point?

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    ari November 4, 2023 11:53 pm

    I think Asada Nemui’s actually raising some interesting points though. She’s asking “if men could face the type of misogyny women face daily, what would they do?” and presenting how there will be men like Takatora who will cling to the patriarchy so hard that they’d rather get a hysterectomy than become an omega.

    Also if you’re familiar with her work, she doesn’t even do a lot of sex scenes. She’s always been using BL to raise interesting scenarios or bring up commentary that’s not usually explored in the genre.

    iluvpusie November 5, 2023 1:12 pm

    Real

    aaa November 5, 2023 2:40 pm
    I think Asada Nemui’s actually raising some interesting points though. She’s asking “if men could face the type of misogyny women face daily, what would they do?” and presenting how there will be men li... ari

    women are barely mentioned here though so i don't think it's equivocal to say men are facing patriarchy here - they're facing uh... alpha-archy. and i don't think it's that different from if this were about women. not like there aren't women who buy into patriarchy or accept that women are "naturally xyz" and think of themselves as an outlier. men also can feel constrained by patriarchy, e.g., a man (alpha) who would rather be the homemaker or feels pressured into a role, but so far this hasn't happened.
    women dont go into heat, they aren't omegas. maybe you could say omegaverse is a hyper-real version of m/f dynamics? but it's not like you couldn't have omega women. idk, i just don't see it. for me it makes light of women's struggles by making men face them, but maybe im just not the target audience (perhaps women who like yaoi because they dont see women face misogyny since men take their place?)

    ari November 5, 2023 4:18 pm
    women are barely mentioned here though so i don't think it's equivocal to say men are facing patriarchy here - they're facing uh... alpha-archy. and i don't think it's that different from if this were about wom... aaa

    I would suggest reading Asada Nemui’s other works because she does treat women in her work as human beings. Your issue seems to stem from this story’s setting, which is set in an all boy’s school in an omegaverse society — the very setting itself limits the presence of women in the story, so I find it strange to actively seek women in this specific story and mark down their absence as a point against it.

    I’m not even into omegaverse because usually they end up devolving into the glorification of the nuclear family through babies ever after, but for once an ABO story points out that many men a male-dominant society will still cling to the perceived peak perception of masculinity regardless of what they’re born as, causing hatred both to the self and to others if they do not fit the mold.

    The point isn’t that women don’t deserve their stories told — it’s that what if men experienced misogyny and reacts to misogyny in the way an average narcissistic man would — with spite at their loss of power and disdain at being placed in the same societal hierarchy as those they deemed lesser.

    aaa November 5, 2023 10:19 pm
    I would suggest reading Asada Nemui’s other works because she does treat women in her work as human beings. Your issue seems to stem from this story’s setting, which is set in an all boy’s school in an om... ari

    not saying she doesn't, just talking about this specific story. all stories are contrived - this story doesn't /have/ to take place in an all boy's school, the author chose to. omegaverse also doesn't have to work this way (and considering there are no female alphas/omegas that is a divergence from the genre (i dont really read a/b/o much correct me if it isn't)).

    but anyway my issue isn't that this story doesn't have women in their school, it's the premise of depicting an issue women solely face in such a manner; i can't take men facing misogyny like this seriously. the mc said "i got hysterectomy". be serious now. any sympathy i have is overridden by how ridiculous the premise is, because cis men will never face misogyny like this. it's the same reason why series that talk about fantasy elf racism/slavery fall flat. the author has done fine creating this story within the bounds of a/b/o, but a/b/o limits how good it could be (to me, at least. you probably guessed but im not a fan of omegaverse).

    feels like this story was made from wanting to explore the dynamics of the omegaverse more thoroughly than anything else imo. if you wanted to tell a story about men clinging to patriarchy you don't need omegaverse to do so. idk, all omegaverse stories feel so pointless to me as something that's inherent purpose is making explicit hetero yaoi, and extrapolating on something i dont find meaningful is so much less impactful than writing a story that has, say, trans ppl in it. if the purpose is as you say it is, i just don't think the story has proven itself as that worthwhile for me.

    i read this because reading about feminism in manga is rare, but i hate the premise of a/b/o - how bio essentialist it is, no omega free will, misogyny-for-men; it's essentially body horror to me. though, i do think asada nemui recognizes the body horror-ness of omegaverse. i'm mainly here because i'm curious where the story will go, and i have more questions the more your comment made me think about the story. if omegas face these issues, do the beta women not face them too? how do they feel about omegas birthing twice as much? why put them in an all boys school and not have a school for omegas + women (i mean... it's for the conflict in the story, but realistically the school would be separated no?)? why are only men omega/alpha lol?? why call omegas moms if they give birth to more babies than women or do women use a different word than mom now? why /aren't/ omegas treated well in rich families? rich daughters that get married off are treated better growing up than rich omegas, apparently. and most importantly... how does a/b/o biology work?

    anyway. this is too long of a comment talking about how much i dislike omegaverse on the site for omegaverse. hope your day is going well

    aaa November 5, 2023 10:22 pm
    I would suggest reading Asada Nemui’s other works because she does treat women in her work as human beings. Your issue seems to stem from this story’s setting, which is set in an all boy’s school in an om... ari

    hmmm actually i think i'd like this story more if it leaned into the body horror aspect more instead of what i'm predicting will be some relationship drama. we'll see.

    ari November 5, 2023 10:37 pm
    not saying she doesn't, just talking about this specific story. all stories are contrived - this story doesn't /have/ to take place in an all boy's school, the author chose to. omegaverse also doesn't have to w... aaa

    I think that you’re more focused on what you want the story to be over what it wants to explore, and your disdain over omegaverse stories in general is making you nitpick.

    ari November 5, 2023 10:44 pm
    hmmm actually i think i'd like this story more if it leaned into the body horror aspect more instead of what i'm predicting will be some relationship drama. we'll see. aaa

    If you’re interested in body horror, try this Author’s other work, “Sleeping Dead”.

    Mimimimimimimo November 6, 2023 1:15 am
    not saying she doesn't, just talking about this specific story. all stories are contrived - this story doesn't /have/ to take place in an all boy's school, the author chose to. omegaverse also doesn't have to w... aaa

    I personally like omgaverses, but I wish the concept was more explored to include female Alpha and omegas and all of that. So far there are only two stories I know of with female alphas. Love is fantasy Queen is one and the other was a yuri doujinshi with two female alphas. I think I'm well versed in this concept and as a fan of this genre I agree with you. I wish this had women to actually show the struggle of feminism and gender inequality but that is not the purpose of this work. This story is to explore the omegaverse and that alone, trying its hand at world building. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    It is interesting to me and I'm keeping my eye on it, but I would never recommend it to anyone who doesn't like omegaverse stories already. And can handle real life issues women face be overviewed for men to have them instead, all for storytelling and dramatization. ╥﹏╥

    Idk y I like the genre, I just like twink boys and wish men had the babas. Seahorse society for the win. Judge me. I would too ( ̄∇ ̄")

    Also Unromantic is the best omegaverse story and a real palette cleaner I highly recommend you read that if you're tired of omegas facing discrimination. (=・ω・=)

    BiBye February 21, 2024 7:26 am
    not saying she doesn't, just talking about this specific story. all stories are contrived - this story doesn't /have/ to take place in an all boy's school, the author chose to. omegaverse also doesn't have to w... aaa

    I agree!