Tired

BDSM isn’t rape. That line was taken out of context. I am sorry, I feel you are being condescending. That is really not needed here. That is not trying to understanding someone's else POV. That I feel was not cool of you to do. Dan and JK in BDSM is not rape. Heesung witness without Dan's permission isn't rape because Heesung did not enter him. Heesung being called there it see that is wrong. It was a violation of Dan's trust. Rape is not the right word.
I apologize for Synfull's behavior that caused my heated behavior. I apologize that Syfull told someone to go KYS, talked down to Rose like she knew nothing, forced their pov, avoid someone wishing someone else to be raped, pretends to disprove an argument, vulgar, and many more things. I apologize for Synfull's irrational behavior.
I don't know Tmsm well but I know about it through Tora. I have known Tora for about 3 years on her. I can't log in my main account. I have a weird password and can't log in. I give it Tora to see if he can figure it out. I have heard lots about this through Tora. I have seen a lot too. I am aware of things. I remember Tora's frustrations when he learned you were just messing with him. As you learn he stopped having real long conversation. He even stopped talking to you back then and I guess you did notice? He was trying to help you.
Tora and Tmsm are two of the gentlest, sweetest, and helpful people I know. They never deserve this, how people have treated them. Since Synball has changed talking about the story to attacking people. Here is your chance, Purky, to untangle this mess with them. Because this Tmsm vs everyone has got to stop. I don't know if you noticed but nearly everyone is ganging up on tmsm. Who really hasn't done anything.

I am afraid it is from misunderstanding them. Like when they say “you are being something”. They are saying you are acting that way. They are not calling you anything. They are not forcing anything on you either. If you don’t want to stop the mess. I am asking you to please leave them alone. They are not toys or a source of entertainment.

I hope you can reconsider and I can explain them to you. They have been misunderstood by the people here and to be honest, some have been deliberately done. It does seem like no one wants to listen to them. They only want to attack them and force a pov on them.
There is no trying to understand them. They have been repeatedly beaten into a box. How they have been treated has been uncool.
They have been repeatedly abused and forced into a box where they can’t share without getting attacked. How is this right? They are people like you. They can barely even make a move without someone down their throats. Then someone acts like they are taking over the topic section and they barely do. How do you take over a section? They have pulled away and pulled away since Sep 14. They don't even see it. Tmsm the social butterfly has pulled away and wants nothing to do with most of them and that does nothing with the attacks he continues to get. They have never been the problem here. They are not toys or something for entertainment. They are people like you. Most of their opinions match yours. For what I can tell. I am sorry I let Syball's irrational behavior control me. How did Tora and Tmsm even do this?

Better? Right. I forgot what we talked about. Did you know someone is a bad person for arguing with a rape survivor who told someone to go KYS and ignored another rape survivor in what she said and acted like she didn't know what rape was to degrade her as to force an opinion on her but ignored the wishing rape on someone comment?
Who knew?
And aren't you the Sherlock, Sherlock?

Right. You were right early. They want you to spit nonsense. I should not even bother to reply to synfull. I knew I should avoid them after I said something about the KYS comment and what they did to Rose. I have my account private and it seems I have no books. teetee. I have over a hundred. My first comments were on the story. shrug. I have not revealed my viewpoints. I have two accounts. I can't log in to my main account. I think Synfull is a troll. I apologize for my behavior. I apologize for their behavior. They are projecting.

No problem.
I've read your comments and it honestly hurt my brain since I was not there and you have a lot to express. I think you can make it a lot shorter, avoid repetitions, because most prefer to read short replies and some are lazy to read if it's more than 3 lines.
Maybe they're troll, but maybe not too, cause as I told some are just lazy to give the reply that you deserve. Relaxe and don't take it too much to heart :)

I never said bdsm was rape.
Bdsm is a form of sexual intercourse and like all sexual intercourse it becomes sexaul assualt (rape) whne consent is LOST.
Dan has no idea heesung was there. If dan consented to being seen vulnerable by heesung then yes. Its just a bdsm chapter; here it is with no doubt just simple sexual abuse.
"Sexual abuse is a sexual behaviour forced onto someone man woman or child without their consent"
Your way of understand sa or rape in thsi context isnt simple "entering"
And wtf are you talking abt with this 14 y/o drama?? Who tf is tmsm and tora???
And why the hell are you so mad jesus Christ get a grip. Its embarrassing

"And wtf are you talking abt with this 14 y/o drama?? Who tf is tmsm and tora???
And why the hell are you so mad jesus Christ get a grip. Its embarrassing "

If you had read... They refer to their friends who are enduring the bullying here in this comment section. That may be long and confusing but I think we can still understand, since they reach to us to be more understanding of their situation.
This is a matter that lasts for some times now, so they have some history and I suspect they can become extremely defensive about this issue now.
It's ok if you don't want to understand, but I'd say it's better for us to not be rude or make fun of them, since it can only flame furthermore the situation here, if it's not too much to ask...

As I said, I apologize for Synfull's behavior that caused my heated behavior. I apologize that Syfull told someone to go KYS, talked down to Rose like she knew nothing, forced their pov, avoid someone wishing someone else to be raped, pretends to disprove an argument, vulgar, and many more things. I apologize for Synfull's irrational behavior.
I know you did not say anything about BDSM and I was clarifying. Why are you explaining BDSM when I know? I think you might have sexual assault and rape a bit confused. It should be rape (SA) because not all SA is rape while rape is SA. I think you need to read more about SA and Rape. Heesung seeing him isnt rape.
why are you explaining sexual abuse?
Your way of understand sa or rape in thsi context isnt simple "entering"
Rape “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape I am using the DEFINITION of rape. Heesung was forced into voyeurism. Is voyeurism rape? it is offence if it is done without the person's permission. Yes, it is something but it is not rape. It is not Heesung who is inside him.
Here is another word for you. https://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/rape/what-is-rape-was-i-raped Tmsm has a better site. to explain Rape is Sa but not all Sa is rape.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sexual-coercion
Sexual Coercion is a type of SA but not rape. That is from Tora.

14 y/0 drama? who are tmsm and tora? when you just messed with tora like two days ago? "Jesus Christ get a grip. Its embarrassing"
I apologize for your behavior. I don't think that is having a good conversation. It is rude. I think I will exit our conversation until you can be an adult.

I will try. teetee I think you read what happen afterwards. That was a bad situation. This page has many callous comments.

Purky.. Tora ^^^^^^

That's why I can't see anything he's doing as nice or benevolent, I only see him as a manipulator. Sexual coercion, abuse and control via financial means.

And thank you toilet terrorist

Who are all these weirdos under my topic I wanted to reply to them but apparently I was blocked for no reason..or maybe because I am not a rape/SA apologist? I fell like a lot of people in these comment sections are either less than 14 or acutely lack critical thinking.

I was so confused reading their comments like what are they on??

My problem is why are they getting mad under MY topic when clearly no one has been rude to them under this topic???

No worry. I think they simply want for you to understand their POV on the topic you wrote, and went with a bit too much passion. Don't take it personally.

They may have a different POV and think it's not rape, you think it is. This is surely because the frontiers between rape/SA are verry blurred in this kind of scenarios; if the ML vwere a complete monster that would not be so problematic. No, even this, that will pose problemc. You know Non Zero Sum? The ML is a lot worse than JK. He beats and abuses the Uke, shares him to his friends so Uke has sex with other men, chapters of abuse later the Uke loses their memory and happy ending with the ML who abused him.
Despite being beaten, in the smut scenes, you'll see the Uke enjoying s*x (??...).
And it doesn't look like he's mind broken even if it's surely his way to cope with the situation.
My sole comfort is that Non Zero Sum like others of this calibre aren't popular.
I didn't even look further the first chapter since my stomach couldn't take it anymore.
I posted a comment to share my opinion and got 6 likes, 3 dislikes.
So, EVEN in this kind of sickly plots, there will always be readers who are gonna eat the shit because it's BL and ML is hot.... Others will put 5 stars simply for the sake this nauseating thing exists and someone has worked hard to create it -_- Everything and anything excuse...
Having see so many of Fujos and Fudans liking "dark" stories like these and finding excuses to the violent relationships, I'm now vaccinated and don't care much either way the prota end up together or not. I don't look at these Yaois majority of time, most have toxic content for the sake of being toxic content and have a poor writing and resolution of the issues posed by the plot.
Knowing how things usually go for these kind of rapey plots with horrible MLs, I don't care either way MC end up with ML. How author-nim will make these two with such gap in personaility etc IS WHAT I'm here (I bet they'll fail).
You too, don't take this story too much seriously, you'll get sick if not... It's not even so well written and it's all smutty.

Now for why they're like this under your topic...
They have a long history here in the comment section.
What I understood is that despite not being glorious fans of Jinx, they wanted for the target audience to have the possibility to express their like for Jinx and not being harassed by the "haters". Tmsmyz had this stance, fought a lot with the "haters" to forbid these ennoying persons to comment, Tmsm was cyber bullied after that... There was Rose, Tora etc they had some arguments with Ina as well... I was not there, my computer was out so I don't know much of the issue...
For Ina, I think their beef was mostly because she asked for them to let people share their view on Jinx's comment.
Since they took the matter to heart too much and encountered indelicate people making fun of them, telling them to KYS... they've become very defensive/passive agressive.
If you listen well, their complains aren't directed to you/one person in particular, they reach to us about the cyber bullying they endured since +2 months because of their stance and POV on whether Jinx is rapey or not.
Well... considering how the Jinx plot is tied and written, it's not a surprise they think it's not rape and I understand their POV. TBH I don't really care if it's rape or not, because for me it's not the point (and my brain hurts).
I think we in the majority agree that what's JK doing to Dan isn't right for the moment. What's matter isn't the existence of the rape itself in a story, but how will react the victim of the rape or SA to the situation, their actions they may take... The plot should have some ground in reality and the way the protagonists founctions must be a bit realistic/coherent...
................ But since we have a Dan blushing........... (cringe).
Some will find psychological explaniation as to why Dan is blushing... however I think he's just being the usual passive Uke and this is just Yaoi.

To finish this long reply... How to react to Morning, Tmsm?... Just let them be and don't contribute to the mockery or pour water to the arguments. Tmsm is a gentle person, Tora surely is too, same for Ina... Things only get problematic when people don't listen to each other and ridicule others instead of communicating.
Sorry for the loooong explanation.

Sorry for the bad english, I wish I could become better but my english still sounds like a bad French coupled with a broken English... -_-

Uwu called them weirdos. “Who are all these weirdos under my topic.” or “maybe because I am not a rape/SA apologist?”
We are not rape/SA apologists
How disgusting. Why cannot they see our view is the same but one thing? We are our rape/sa apologist so are they.
We blocked uwu.
It is how uwu went around starting things. The one you talked to MD on uwu completely misunderstood the topic.we are not uwu punching bag.
Then uwu goes around saying fans are sick. The author is sick. Tora was engaging with uwu but uwu started to be nasty. We blocked before Tora and MD was called weirdos. And saying they were apologist. For one uwu is misusing that and MD as not revealed anything. There is no group. They have been attacking one person this own time. Tmsmyz. Who will never be a rape or SA apologist. Tora is not. MD is not. I am not. It is disgusting how they do this game.
How they have acted is wrong and just justified on the block. No one owes a topic why do they says that. I think uwu should said MD who explained and apologized for it. But uwu wanted to insult and degrade them.
I think uwu was playing one of those games. They knew. If MD or Tora explained again. They were be laughed at but since you explained they will drop it. MD is not on anything. Tora is not on anything. They were clear. It is sad to pretend not to understand them and insult them.

Stop calling people sick. Stop calling people weirdos. Stop calling people rape/Sa apologist. Stop going around to stir trouble. Uwu was being really disgusting.
“ Things only get problematic when people don't listen to each other and ridicule others instead of communicating.”

MD is sick of how Tora and Tmsm is treated. He is a loose canon. Don’t provoke him. Since MangaSanctuary and I have tried to remedy this. He won’t do anything.

For how gentle Tmsm he endured a lot. I bet many people here couldn’t endure what he endured from people like MangaSanctuary was talking about.

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14598666/

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14597338/

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14596940/

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14595602/

Yes Tora is really gentle. The trick is with him is not to attack him. When you attack him. He will start to call you out. He is a big teddy bear! He comes off like an Ai at first but when you get him off the straight and narrow. He is awesome and awkward. He is quite in person. He would bend over backwards to help others. He brought a house from a women’s shelter. He is very active protecting rape/SA survivors. He is a rape crisis counselor. People attacking him puts him in that call out mode where his gentle demeanor don’t show.
The same with tmsm. He tried many different things to get them to stop. Even methods that are not him. He is amazing too. He is willingly to help others in any way he can. I don’t understand why people are harming them.

I was upset at how synfull dealt with Rose and the KYS statement but I think Synfull's knows I was purposely doing that to make a point. It is not hard to apologize for your behavior. I apologize for over-exaggerating my anger to show Synfull something.

I was using one of your methods that you had use on TM SM to laugh at him but I did it teach. It is not hard to owe up to your behavior and apologize for your behavior or cyberbullying one person for over 2 months.

I am not a werido. Tora is not a werido. TM SM is not a werido. Who calls us weridos that is your honor. TM SM was trying to guide for once he tried to guide someone to what they are able to see and you slammed them in the box? Tora only got on to me.

I am not a rape/Sa apologist. Tora is not a rape/SA apologist. TM SM is not a rape/SA apologist.

You would be blocked for being one. Rose had gone off on a few rape apologists with Tora supporting her. She even exposed one. She even called one rapist for a comment they made.

Whatever you think about Rose, TM SM, Tora and the ones saying it is not rape but SA it is wrong. From what I can tell they are aligned with you but a few details.
You are a weirdo rape/Sa apologist too that goes around shitting on people and calling the fans on Mingwa and Mingwa sick. It is a fantasy, bro. It is not that deep, bro. You should let people have their opinions. Now if you notice there are not many people who love jinx that comments, people like you have pushed them out. They have stopped trying because they feel judged. They get cyberbullied. You are so heated and looking for prey, you try to find comments different to have heated fights to feel better about yourself. You completed changed two topic to your own argument and ignored the story and the conversation to cause a fight. You knew TM SM and Tora had a different view. You don't know my view.
Why make it them when it was me? I am not them. I am not a them. You have imposed a view on TM SM, Tora, and me, so you can attack. That is so not cool. There are not many Jinx's lovers responding and you are turning anyone into an enemy to attack them. We are not your punching bags. Soon you will only have your own kind (only shitting on the story) here with no different opinions because you have pushed them all out by being ugly. What are you going to do then? Your behavior is a reflection of who you are. You are making people weirdos or sick in your opinion what does that make you? Why would people want to engage with you? I am glad we were right with the block since you insulted me as us and this says it all "Who are all these weirdos under my topic I wanted to reply to them but apparently, I was blocked for no reason..or maybe because I am not a rape/SA apologist? I fell like a lot of people in these comment sections are either less than 14 or acutely lack critical thinking." Why do you think you would unblocked for being a rape/SA apologist? Rose has literally gone off three or four and one may not respond again. You were blocked for critical thinking on your other replies and you just confirmed it here. I just saw the signs of your behavior and told them and they blocked so they will not deal with more cyberbullying. TM SM or Tora does not need more of that petty shit.