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I definitely agree with you, I think he's also facing the denial that he does have a thing for Dan. As you can see he can only clearly show few emotions which don't include care and affection
That possessiveness is NOT a good thing, treating someone like their your object is not a good thing under any circumstance not even in this one.
Jaekyung doesn’t deserve a "redemption arc" or to be forgiven, he’s too far gone. He was too far gone since the beginning, and all their relationship has either been is Dan being in a place where he desperately needs money to a point he’s ready to put himself in danger’s way and get hurt and traumatized continuously and Jaekyung taking advantage of that. There hasn’t been any progress on that matter.
Dan is a person, he doesn’t deserve to be displayed fully naked as somebody’s personal cumdumpster without his consent, and then be called a literal object. This is not progress it’s worse. If Dan learned (hope he does) he would break down. He’s been getting raped for 34 chapters and now he’s been humiliated in front of someone who liked him and looked like was genuinely ready to help.
Jaekyung declared ownership over Dan by destroying his life, that is in no way progress. If this story was realistic (it won’t be because this is MINGWA) Dan would’ve fucking killed himself
Right like denial ain’t just a river in Egypt
That’s the thing tho is this is literally just manwhua and not real otherwise Jaekyung would’ve been in jail probably. I get what you’re saying and I totally agree that he’s a piece of human garbage but that’s just his character and this is a work of fiction and not meant to be taken realistically. If this sort of thing bothers you, I completely understand like I personally couldn’t handle Killing Stalking even tho it wasn’t real but tons of other people like it and if it’s not something you can get through then that’s all good and maybe find something else that’s more your taste. I really want Jaekyung to pay for what he did and who knows maybe he will but if you know this author they tend to make the worst seme’s imaginable but give them one hell of a redemption arc and whether it’s valid is up to the readers.
You can’t compare JINX to Killing Stalking though, because KS was never intended to be a yaoi. It was falsely categorized as one because the two main characters were men, men having sexual intercourse in some chapters (more like Sangwoo raping Bum but yes), but since it was men then people’s minds immediately categorized it as a yaoi. If it was a story with a man and a woman people would’ve been able to see KS for what it was, which is a psychological horror. Their relationship wasn’t glorified or romanticized neither did they get an happy ending.
I’m not "defending" KS because I liked it, I didn’t, I physically couldn’t stand how heavy it was. BUT, it’s because it was a very well-made psychological horror. NOT a YAOI. You cannot compare a story with its two main characters being in an horrendous toxic unhealthy relationship because it was the whole story’s point and where the horror laid, when JINX is NOT a psychological horror, never was intended to be one, just a yaoi, but is doing what Killing Stalking was accused of doing for years (glorifying and romanticizing rape & unhealthy relationship dynamics such as power imbalance).
I do not agree with the way we should separate fiction from reality, because writing so many rape scenes in my opinion (be it in BJAlex or in JINX) is proof you have a rape fetish. How could someone be genuinely repulsed by that shit but then write so many semi-realistic semi-romanticized rape scenes? And I said half and half because you can’t deny how realistic they are with Dan’s mental state, his inner monologues in early chapters (not even early just every chapter before the love triangle arc, and it’s still kind of there), show how obviously traumatized and scared of Jaekyung he is, but then make a 74738289th rape scene and make him say internally that he lowkey enjoys it. Mingwa needs to be put on a list what the fuck?
I wasn’t comparing Jinx to Killing Stalking, I’m saying that I personally couldn’t sit through Killing Stalking because I can’t handle psychological horror and I’m saying if Jinx is something that you can’t sit through then that’s fine. We each have our own limits and I was sucked into killing stalking under the premise of it being yaoi so I was one of the readers that was mislead so I understand it’s completely different. There’s tons of yaoi and BL scenes out there that can be classified as rape but the idea is to sell a story and a fantasy which is why we’re all here. Like in porn scenarios you don’t see people freaking out thinking that the dad is cheating on the mom with the babysitter and think wow that’s crazy cause that’s not the point. The point is to sell a fantasy of it being scandalous and exciting, and a lot of women have a fantasy of being swept away by a guy wanting her and that’s what a lot of BL is based on. I doubt anyone wants to be treated the way Dan is here but this is still part of the story and you can see the sex scenes are getting better slowly and there’s a reason for it. I get that there’s some things that you have a hard time overlooking in the terms of selling that fantasy, but at least let other people enjoy it. And mingwa is far from the first person to write this stuff (and certainly won’t be the last) because there are tons of horror writers out there that make realistic and gory scenes but they’re not on a list. You wouldn’t put the author of Killing Stalking on a list right? Because it’s telling an entertaining story and just a work of fiction. To be able to separate fiction from reality is important just like you wouldn’t expect irl gay men to act like they do in BL.
That possessiveness is NOT a good thing, " Right this type of possessiveness is not a good thing but you are missing the point. It does help us understand him. What does it mean? Do you know?
"treating someone like they're your object is not a good thing under any circumstance not even in this one.' It is coming offf that way but he doesn't really. It seems you are talking everything at face value and not looking underneath.,
"Jaekyung doesn’t deserve a "redemption arc" or to be forgiven, he’s too far gone. "
1. you forgive for yourself not them.
2. he did go too far but your hate...>>><<
"He was too far gone since the beginning," He has???
" and all their relationship has either been being Dan being in a place where he desperately needs money to a point he’s ready to put himself in danger’s way and get hurt and traumatized continuously and Jaekyung taking advantage of that."
Where is your version of Jinx?? I almost want to give up on reading your replyies you the target audience or are you an genuine reader as the details don't match.
"There hasn’t been any progress on that matter." Talks about possessiveness and no progess all in on comment........ think about that......
"Dan is a person, he doesn’t deserve to be displayed fully naked" right full agree.
"as somebody’s personal cumdumpster" that is disturbing how you view this story..
"then be called a literal object." you dont understand this story
"He’s been getting raped for 34 chapters" Please look up sexual Assualt and sexual cerotion. it would be more accurate to say He's been gettind SA'd (Sexual abused for 34 chapter.. Not all were SA -again not understanding the storying or DAN.
" and now he’s been humiliated in front of someone who liked him and looked like was genuinely ready to help." Dan does not know that yet. He is not humilated yet. You need to word that better.
"Jaekyung declared ownership over Dan by destroying his life, which is in no way progress." How to tell me you don't understand the story without tell me.
"If this story was realistic (it won’t be because this is MINGWA) Dan would’ve fucking killed himself"
How to tell me you don't understand the story or Dan without tell me.
You are not a geniune reader
This story is not meant for you
but since it was men then people’s minds immediately categorized it as a yaoi.
like how people categorized this as rape.. This is sexual abuse. Not no defening JK or whatever you are going to falsly claim. I am not down playing or excusing anything. why are you even on this page? To harass people? You claim they have a rape fetish bacause you claim to see rape in two story... that was an personal attack. Not healthy. if someone is reading romanticing rape stories and have that rape fethish they are healthy. Your comments are repusive. You don't even understand Dan or how this is SA, not rape.
You seem to have been having a conversation with them. I am sorry to tell you this is not a real conversation. They just want to impose on you. They don't care what you say. They don't have the details right, they want to shame you from their believes that they think they are more moral than you. They just personally attacked you. They are trying to shame you and make you wrong. It is disgusting behavior.
I don’t necessarily see it that way, as they haven’t really said anything rude or thrown any insults and it’s ok to have an open discussion with differing viewpoints. I see their point but I’m hoping to clear up any confusion with the morality of this because I once questioned it myself and I just wanna have an open dialogue
I’m sorry I actually spent days arguing with someone else with the "fiction doesn’t affect reality/kinks or fetishes are fine within fiction" argument and it was insane because they ignored me like crazy I don’t feel like arguing with someone else about this again. However if you really wanna hear my thoughts on it I can copy and paste my other comment but just know it won’t be a direct answer to you, but an answer to that first person I was debating with. It was insanely exhausting
Yes I know what that possessiveness technically was supposed to mean, it’s supposed to mean Jaekyung is growing romantic feelings for Dan and therefore jealousy. With jealousy comes possessiveness, the thing is, there is a line for that. Possessiveness that makes you act abusive towards your partner is not a good thing, you need to learn how to control your emotions and it’s something everybody’s taught throughout life. Jaekyung however does NOT care, even less if it’s about Dan, because Dan is "his", "his object", which is a repulsive way of thinking as Dan is still human.
And explain to me how he doesn’t actually treat Dan like his object? When their whole deal is "whenever I wanna fuck you, I don’t care about your circumstances, about where you are, what you’re doing, with who, you’re meeting me within a certain time limit and you’re letting me fuck you. You do not have a say in it." Is that not treating people like objects anymore?
Yes he was too far gone.
"He did go too far but your hate…." And your point is? Is my hatred for a rapist and abuser worse than the insane shit that rapist and abuser did?
"Where is your version of Jinx??" as an answer to me literally summarizing the story. Where did I say something wrong? Where? If you need me to be more precise, Dan was in debt, his grandmother has hospital bills he needs to take care of, he almost went homeless, to sum it up he was in a situation that couldn’t be solved. Then he meets his new boss, Jaekyung, learns about his jinx, gets promised better pay if he gives him sex but will get fired if he doesn’t. The guy at this point has been looking for a job since forever and this was his last hope. Then he goes homeless, yes Jaekyung takes him because of his feelings even if he doesn’t want to admit it, but I do not care. JKG’s feelings barely mean anything because he still is an abusive piece of crap and just because you fall in love with the person you’ve been abusing doesn’t mean you’re forgiven of the things you’ve made them go through. He has not stopped the deal since then, he’s kept it up, despite knowing everything about Dan’s situation, which is why I’m saying he’s taking advantage of it. If he didn’t, he would’ve given Dan actual help. I wonder which details don’t match?
And what am I supposed to think about? What does JKG’s possessiveness have to do with anything I said? As I said even if his possessiveness is probable proof of his growing romantic feelings, doesn’t change anything about the fact that he’s still been taking advantage of Dan’s SITUATION. Good thing I said « there hasn’t been any progress ON THAT MATTER ».
How are my views on this story disturbing? Is Dan’s not actually JKG’s personal cumdumpster ? Don’t like the word, maybe? But that’s quite literally what he is. That’s quite literally what their deal is about. Lecturing me about not understanding your favorite manwha but you’re trying so hard to smooth it off, for what?
Once again what do I not understand? I understand fully well that at that exact point he called him his object because of romantic jealousy, does that make it okay?
« Please look up sexual coercion » okay: « According to the United States Department of Justice, rape refers to sexual penetration that you don't consent to. Assault refers to any sexual contact that happens without your explicit, voluntary consent. Since consent given under coercion isn't freely given, it doesn't count as consent. » is what I said still false now? Is Dan still not getting raped?
Just because Dan doesn’t know doesn’t mean he hasn’t been humiliated. You get the point and what JKG did to him is atrocious.
I answered every single one of your points when you didn’t say anything of value. You criticized me in another comment for "pushing my views because I’m so convinced I’m more morally correct", but you’re doing the exact thing you’re accusing me of. The other person I was talking with was much more interesting to hold a debate with as they actually had stuff to say. Move along
1. Tora encourages real conversations and open dialogue. He encourages and promotes open discussion with different perspectives. I am shocked you said that to him with what he said to you. You misunderstood him and what he said.
2. He was helping you.
3. It should be clear he was correct. He picked up the subtles and the person attack you missed. The hater just forced Tora to love this story. Tora has no opinion but it is toxic. He is a straight married man who has a wife and best friend into yaoi. I don’t like this story. It is as he said. But the hater will make me love this story too.
And this comment only proves Tora was right. “I answered every single one of your points when you didn’t say anything of value. You criticized me in another comment for "pushing my views because I’m so convinced I’m more morally correct", but you’re doing the exact thing you’re accusing me of. The other person I was talking with was much more interesting to hold a debate with as they actually had stuff to say. Move along”
4. Your comment was said to wrong person who doesn’t understand possession as Tora would say it is from insecurity of losing Dan. Not jealousy. This is sexual abuse. This is not rape. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14510165/ this is like the 3rd time he said it.
5. Tora said things of value. They tried to cut him off. Haters are silencing people they don’t like. The pushed their pov on Tora. When Tora didn’t.
6. Tora was trying to help you see it was a waste of time dealing with them. I seen them on a different topic. They are only imposing.
So….
1. They had the wrong meaning of possessiveness
2. They don’t understand the concept of the story or the contract. Jk doesn’t really see him as a toy. He says it but they are taking it out of context.
4. Their hate is strong they change the story and pretend they are summarizing the story.
5. Their hate is strong they take a person who has no opinion but it is toxic and claim he loves the story. They made him what they hate. The target audience they are trying to silence. Since Tora didn’t force a pov and they told them to move along they assumed he was and tried to silence him.
6. Jk is a sexual abuser. He is not a rapist. By definition and story. This doesn’t excuse it or make it okay. Illogical thinking.
7. This person is negative and has a negative pov in a toxic story. They are not having a conversation with you.
8. Dan. Is. Not. A. Cumdumptser. I don’t like the story. It is not Tora’s favorite. Straight man. Lol. What a joke. Real reviews vs a hate review
9. They failed to look up sexual coercion. They only gave rape and SA. SC will be SA. SC isn’t rape.
10. What is the point of asking was it okay? “that at that exact point he called him his object because of romantic jealousy, does that make it okay?”
That shows motive and agenda. It is not really romantic jealousy but have that interpretation. Why ask that illogical question.
11. “Just because Dan doesn’t know doesn’t mean he hasn’t been humiliated. “. Tora meant he will be. Did they even try to read his comments?
“You get the point and what JKG did to him is atrocious.” They just want to complain and not listen to him or anyone.
12. “ I answered every single one of your points when you didn’t say anything of value.”
He did.
13. You criticized me in another comment for "pushing my views because I’m so convinced I’m more morally correct", but you’re doing the exact thing you’re accusing me of.
Did he criticize them or what they said.
It was what they said.
14. You call it an open dialogue. Tora said you were having a conversation with them. But they called it a debate. “The other person I was talking with was much more interesting to hold a debate with as they actually had stuff to say.” They criticized Tora here.
15. “Move along”. Forcing Tora out with the assumption Tora is the target audience. No one controls this section and if the target audience had controlled, the haters would not be allowed to silence them or shame them. You just didn’t trigger some things yet to know you were not having a real conversation. Tora picked up on the subtleties from dealing with the haters here for over 2 months now.
What kind of dick riding is this?
8. Dan. Is. Not. A. Cumdumptser. I don’t like the story. It is not Tora’s favorite. Straight man. Lol. What a joke. Real reviews vs a hate review
Vs
“What kind of dick riding is this?”
I don’t like this story. I don’t like Jk. But bc the haters I am willing to get it a second chance. I don’t think I gave it a chance the first time.
The haters are more toxic than the story.
I am not even talking to the hater. They say something gross. Yuck! They just showed Tora was right, again. Tora was just trying to save you for unnecessary stress.
I know this story isn’t rape. I fully understand rape and SA. I was raped. I am a rape survivor.
If provoked…..
Haters/ trolls/ cyber bullies once I am mistreated or it is known they are haters loses my respect. Blame the other haters. They will be met with their own toxic behavior in a more constructive manner. Speaking their language.
I am not hostile. But I will act that way and mocked cyber bullying. Haters can go fuck themselves. They can move on. They are not the target audience.
- a rape survivor.
What I meant to say, I was more sleepy than I thought. "You seem to have been having a conversation with them. I am sorry to tell you but this seems to not be a real conversation. They seem to just want to impose on you. They came off like they don't care what you say. They don't have the details right. They could want to shame you from their belief that they think they are more moral than you as many others. They just personally attacked you. It was lowkey. They could be trying to shame you and make you wrong. It is disgusting behavior."
Rose knew me and knew what I meant. My replies the other person has many typo. I didn't think I was that sleepy. My bad.
possessiveness "Possessiveness is fundamentally a fear of loss. Possessive people worry that their partners will leave them. This creates feelings of fear, anger, and sadness." https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/signs-possessiveness#:~:text=Possessiveness%20is%20fundamentally%20a%20fear,and%20can%20be%20counted%20on.
"Possessiveness often stems from insecurities related to attachment styles. People with attachment anxiety tend to have a negative view of themselves and a positive view of others. They worry that their partners can’t be trusted. They have a chronic fear of rejection. "
Jaekyung does care, even MORE when it is about Dan. JK doesn't treat him like an object. The deal is irrelevant and not a good argument as it is not understood. Why explain it when it will be dismissed? Sadly, people cant see the core of JK or Dan. I don't like how they are describing this story or how they handled themselves after I pointed out what seems to be the truth. To be quite frank, their comments are now abusive. " Lecturing me about not understanding your favorite manhwa but you’re trying so hard to smooth it off, for what?" Really? What is my favorite Manwha? I did not know Yu Yu Hakusho was a manwha or Korean. Who knew? The rest of that reply was unnecessary.
What do you think should I try to explain? I say he is not a cumdumpter they want to keep that view. They twisted my words and ignored my messege. They assumed things and regardless of anything said, they are in control of themself. that dick riding comment was unnecessary.
It is coming off that way but he doesn't really.
I almost want to give up on reading your replies you the target audience or are you a genuine reader as the details don't match?*
Talks about possessiveness and no progress all in one comment........ think about that......*
"Dan is a person, he doesn’t deserve to be displayed fully naked" Right fully agree.
Please look up sexual assault and sexual ceorion. it would be more accurate to say He's been getting SA'd (sexually abused for 34 chapters.. Not all were SA -again not understanding the storying or DAN.*
He is not humiliated yet (but that situation when he learns he will be). You need to word that better. (JK did wrong, I am not defending Jk.)
How to tell me you don't understand the story without telling me
How to tell me you don't understand the story or Dan without telling me.
You are not a genuine reader
This story is not meant for you
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No person is ever required to have sex with someone else.
Ask yourself why JK wanted to have sex with Dan. The anwser is because he like him. It is about Dan. See past his mask.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sexual-coercion#who-it-affects
"Sexual coercion is when a person pressures, tricks, threatens, or manipulates someone into having sex. It is a type of sexual assault because even if someone says yes, they are not giving their consent freely."
This page gives you examples of sexual coercion and only one time does it say one example is rape.
Rape is a form of Sexual abuse. I am not forcing anything. I am simply saying the truth.
I’m good on that but I have no idea what those other people are talking about and I didn’t think you were rude at all and just voicing your opinion and I hoped I could provide at least a different perspective
Well that love triangle arc didn’t last long I mean Jaekyung is doing his Jaekyung thing and being a stain to society but I think this is progress? Like hear me out…
1. His possessiveness and relationship with Dan is so obvious it’s becoming noticeable to other people
2. He’s not wanting Dan to see Heesung and he’s not telling Heesung to “do whatever you want” when it comes to Dan
3. Even tho he calls him his property, it’s still possessiveness he hasn’t shown to anyone else up till now so in the end….maybe this is a win? Like maybe this is good? Like I still wanna run him over with a tractor but idk threatening is how he talks to people and he was being pretty clear with his relationship so maybe??