Genuine question

toilet terrorist September 15, 2023 3:18 am

How do yall look at that shower scene and not see rape? I genuinely want to hear someones opinion on this. Mine isnt going to change but thats not the reason im asking, im trying to understand peoples interpretations here.
My opinion cited and edited from womenslaw.org:
When a person says “No,” it means no – it doesn’t matter if s/he is a prostituted person or not.  Even if s/he agrees to do one sexual act, if the payer forces him/her to do a different sexual act against his/her will, that is still rape. Prostituted people are much more likely to be raped than non-prostituted people. Using money as a weapon against them after they've clearly expressed they do not want intercourse is rape and sexual exploitation. Dan has been raped by Jaekyung 100% in chapter 8.

Responses
    BelovedRose September 18, 2023 5:08 pm

    Are we mad? Are we so mad? I don’t know defaming people is fighting over a story.
    Tora complimenting THE Toilet.
    TORA the AL sounding blunt straightforward person was being a regular Joe. What do you want from him?
    -He gets attacked being blunt and straight forward.
    -He gets attacked being factual.
    - He gets attacked complimenting others. He was having fun on this page.
    Since we never denied the toxicity of the story. We never argued but tried to talk as we were attacked with name calling and insults. We are attacked like we are denying the toxicity or something because people spread misinformation about us. We did not understand why people were attacking us. We understood somehow you thought we didn’t see no toxicity with “there is no rape.” which is a ridiculous claim. But someone told us weeks later someone was spreading misinformation about us. If we are so mad. We have the right to be mad. This has never been fighting over this fucked up story for us. We have said this repeatedly. You apologized. Thank you but how the hell do we take you seriously?
    Step 1: Tora complimenting THE toilet.
    Step 2: Robin: where did he go George? You stupid Tora?
    Step 3: corpus: That MOFO is Smokin glue.
    Step 4: THE Toilet got the compliment. Thank you Toilet!
    Step 5: I defended Tora from two asses. You missing things if you thought I was so mad. Some of that I was mocking cyber bullying. My first sentence isn’t something I would say. The one hell of complement line is mirroring Black Butler and Tora loves Black Butler. Tora would respond to that. The “get a life” is cyber bullying talk. Then I use something to get TMSM to respond “mouth breathers”. It is from Stranger Things. It would trigger good nature comments from them showing I wasn’t mad. You decided to see my comment as if I was mad but I wasn’t. It was controlled and chill. My second one I supported the claim “Robin is an ass”. That comment is control and chill. Where am I mad? Or so mad? It seems you are judging me for using language that has been used on us. So who are you really calling mad? It is Robin and Corpse that can’t stop attacking and leave this a genuine conversation.
    Step 6: You have apologize. We appreciate it. But is it superficial when you are making fighting over the story where it has never been? And acting like we shouldn’t be mad when we have all the right to be mad, if we were?We can’t post anything without be called rape defenders, rape apologist, sickos, rapist, freaks, werido, on and on. We can’t post anywhere. We all have to get to get new accounts. You may have stop but we still live it. TMSM has been told to go KYS about 5 times now. It is not fighting over a story.
    Tell me how step 1- 6 is fighting over the damn story. How is Tora giving The Toilet a compliment to where two mouth breathers bullied Tora for having fun for ONCE on this toxic page fighting over the story? It is the hate against people, we are fighting against. They stood up against the hate hate I received and continue to get the hate. How am I the story? You are dismissing the truth. How is your apology sincere?

    Mikaela September 18, 2023 5:41 pm

    Ah, it seems I wasn't clear with my comment. With the people being mad/angry I was referring to everyone who thinks there is rape and those who says there is not. It wasn't my intention to call you guys mad or anything. Of course people have the right to be mad if they are getting threatened, misinformation thrown around, name called etc, everyone would have done that, you're right about this. It's not about the story any more. I admit, I jumped way too far with my conclusions thinking you didn't think this story is toxic with saying there's no rape. That was on my stupid ass. I wanna apologize for calling you a liar about your trauma (I've seen too many people lying about this, but still shouldn't have called you that) and with everything else with my comments. And I am sorry for people saying you should kys. :( This truly is a horrible thing to say. From now on I just wanna have genuine discussions about the story. Someone already educated me why some people would like these stories, so I won't judge any more. Again, I am sorry for being so insensitive. Not just apologizing to you but everyone I hurt with my words (And also being a grammar police, even I get annoyed at this for myself). At the end of the day we can agree that Jk is a toxic ass. :) Hope your days get better on here. The insult with ''mouth breathers'' was funny though.

    BelovedRose September 18, 2023 5:42 pm



    July 26. I made a topic and I left after I was cyber bullied. Tora, Mi Amore, and Tmsm defended me.

    Mi Amore left she made a few comments to Yummytoo and who claimed nasty things about her. She said something equally absurd for a shock factor and she did make sense with her comment. But you mock her standing up to cyber bullying. She left.

    Tora wasn’t a constant. TMSM was. Manhwascpicy was.
    TMSM made a topic to AVOID bullies and this is how you reacted. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14221193/

    LMAOOO please scroll down and have fun reading the comments of some clowns Tmsm which I call Eminem <3 Tora chan, Mi amore and golden rose! And please continue sharing your opinion here. <3 OVER A BL MANWHA MIND I SAY. Dumbledore and voldemort love you. <33

    https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14230716/

    Here are the people by the way who will harass you if you have another opinion + rapist defenders! You can enjoy this and know there is rape in it just don't defend a rapist. If you want to block them then do so. :) Happy reading! Voldemort loves you. <3



    TMSM topic July 30. Saying what I am saying
    https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14220904/

    Why did you choose to bring me and Mi Amore in your topic when we left? How are the attacks on us the story? How is this fighting over the story? How are we fighting over the story or arguing over the story? It seems like we have been trying to correct misinformation on us and defend ourselves from cyberattacks. They really tried to talked to you about it but the problem was they didn’t understand there was misinformation being spread until much later. Someone told to them we have been white washing the seme. None of us has.
    None of us are clowns. They should had stop seeking conversation and trying to mend things to people who don’t want to listen. You knew the truth since July. I don’t accept your apology as it is your false narrative. I don’t accept corpus’s either because they didn’t take responsibility for their actions and continue to be an ass on a genuine conversation not even respect The Toilet. Their hate blinds them. They should be better than that. You too.

    BelovedRose September 18, 2023 5:51 pm
    
July 26. I made a topic and I left after I was cyber bullied. Tora, Mi Amore, and Tmsm defended me. Mi Amore left she made a few comments to Yummytoo and who claimed nasty things about her. She said somethin... BelovedRose

    On one of Mikaela’s second comments she did include links but I removed them. I meant to put (removed links to our profiles it was unnecessary clutter).
    I referenced my topic that I didn’t included. You can go my page for it. It was an unnecessary clutter.

    This side isn’t mad. This side has the right to be mad. Stop pretending it is fighting over a story. Stop pretending it is fighting over pov vs pov.
    It has never been for us. It never will be for us. We don’t care how you view it! We care how you treat us. We care about the hate we receive over nothing!!!! We now only have jinx only accounts because of you.

    TMSM can’t even make a topic without hate and lies about him. How is this about the story?

    https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14449493/

    LeRain September 14, 2023 9:59 pm
    Oh you’re that loser everybody is talking about. Just give up at this point, you know you have a shit take.

    Ocean_127 September 14, 2023 10:07 pm


    yesss I've been hearing abt some sick freak defending jaekyungs actions and wow. Blows my mind how absurd, lonely and sad some people are. It's pathetic like get a life gurl XD


    Wake up!!!!

    Mikaela September 18, 2023 6:02 pm

    Hope this is more clearer! It wasn't my intention to call you guys mad! Its for the ''there's rape'' and ''there's no rape'' people in the comments. Some are fighting and some are not )but a lot are fighting over it, not you included). Again, you're right you have reasons to be mad, I am not judging you, I understand it is frustrating, especially on the Internet. Hope this was written better to understand.

    toilet terrorist September 18, 2023 6:03 pm
    Hope this is more clearer! It wasn't my intention to call you guys mad! Its for the ''there's rape'' and ''there's no rape'' people in the comments. Some are fighting and some are not )but a lot are fighting ov... Mikaela

    defence 0 aggression, a great improvement.

    Robin September 18, 2023 7:40 pm
    Robin. Gyraucorpse. Lay off the illegal drugs and start taking prescription ones. What Tora said was kick-ass. He gave The Toilet one hell of a compliment. Get a life salty mouth breathers. BelovedRose

    What tf are you talking about… I literally asked tora what he was talking about since he put my name in his comment it had nothing to do with toilet

    Robin September 18, 2023 7:43 pm
    Robin you are an ass. https://www.michigandaily.com/opinion/columns/youre-not-smarter-for-correcting-someones-speech-youre-just-rude/You’re dick to Mi Amore You’re rude to TMSM You’re rude to Tora You’r... BelovedRose

    Are you dumb I literally said my fault I didn’t realize you where trying to say insincere and I thought you where just throwing words around did you not read that part and let it fly in one eye out the the end of your anus

    Tmsmyz September 18, 2023 8:29 pm
    Toilet as I made my last comment, my phone wanted to make a correction but it was Robin’s sentence. Now, I am considering of renaming you. Maybe you should consider adding “the” to your name. The Toilet. ... Torakaze

    Robin…. “ What are you talking about”. I can’t tell if you’re confused or simply = to “ this mofo be sniffing that glue stick REAL well”.

    How do we know you are genuine confused or trying to harm us? You accused me of throwing out words which are calling out your behavior. You showed her, you had intentions going after her and me. She assumed you were going after Tora. Giving your past behavior, and how a bad faith actor would react that (going after Tora) would be a logical outcome.

    If you are genuinely confused. She will apologize. How do we know when you are genuine when you haven’t been and have been actively going after us?

    To help you if you are genuine.

    Tora’s first comment

    “Rose darling.. this was cleared up when Toilet replied to what I said, so I don’t need your input.”

    ———
    It is the only sentence with Toilet.
    ———

    Tora’s second/third comment (that was split into by mangago)

    “Toilet as I made my last comment, my phone wanted to make a correction but it was Robin’s sentence.


    Tora is saying he couldn’t change it to

    “Rose darling.. this was cleared up when The Toilet replied to what I said, so I don’t need your input.” Because it was Robin’s sentence and he couldn’t decide that for Robin.

    However, Tora liked it and he decided to start calling Toilet, The Toilet.

    Tora taking suggestions from his smart phone. Lmao.

    You don’t even need his first comment to understand his meaning. It really had nothing to do with you but respecting you.

    Tmsmyz September 18, 2023 8:44 pm
    Robin you are an ass. https://www.michigandaily.com/opinion/columns/youre-not-smarter-for-correcting-someones-speech-youre-just-rude/You’re dick to Mi Amore You’re rude to TMSM You’re rude to Tora You’r... BelovedRose

    Rose.
    I understand. That is why I make sure I write a sentence asking or explaining when I post a definition. I can understand you thought Robin was correcting you and I understand you kept that interpretation. Robin had a different perspective. You two were not the same page. Robin was not saying we use words wrong. Robin was saying we “threw out” words. Robin is fed up with the call out stemming from research on their behavior. We are not throwing out words.

    I invited you to read back and see the apology included in it. I think you missed that too but I think maybe you skimmed through the message or stop half way through. It is understandable. I do think this was a sincere apology.

    Robin “And I ain’t an ass it’s that I’m so use to tm and sm throwing words out like this I got fed up but I shouldn’t have done that to you so my bad”

    Tmsmyz September 18, 2023 8:51 pm

    Though… knowing Rose misunderstood as she was take “throwing words around” to be using the wrong words as she just did. She focused on her actions not Robin’s words. If you know she isn’t on the same page and feel she did read the apology….
    How do you take a sincere apology seriously with this
    “ Are you dumb I literally said my fault I didn’t realize you where trying to say insincere and I thought you where just throwing words around did you not read that part and let it fly in one eye out the the end of your anus”

    I don’t think she did read it . I think she read half of it and did not realize Robin was saying something else.

    Tmsmyz September 18, 2023 9:09 pm

    Mikaela. I wasn’t planning on talking to you again. I agree with THE Toilet. Wow! A line I never thought I would say a month ago. Haha.

    I think Rose can accept you apology. I acted like purky and a few others, I do apologize to the people I hurt and offended as I played a bully. I apologize for hurting you.

    I think I am the only one who needs to apologize for any actions when I acted like a bully. Well Rose needs to apologize Robin for that mistake. She is mocking bullies and only going after bullies. I don’t think Tora and Mi Amore did anything. I know, like Robin, hates the call outs but I don’t apologize for those. These are not attacks or hurting people. Like I can say how Robin handled Rose misunderstanding was toxic and abusive. That isn’t an attack or throwing words. I am not trying to hurt anyone. That is for Robin to check themselves and to have a better conversation. It is for Robin to be better not to double down and be more toxic.

    I know we said a few things we (me and you) shouldn’t. I am sorry.
    Please let me know if you think Tora or Mi Amore should apologize for something. I don’t think they did anything. Maybe Mi Amore to The Toilet but she doesn’t want to talk to him at all. We never seen her act this way before.

    Tmsmyz September 18, 2023 9:15 pm
    Robin. Gyraucorpse. Lay off the illegal drugs and start taking prescription ones. What Tora said was kick-ass. He gave The Toilet one hell of a compliment. Get a life salty mouth breathers. BelovedRose

    Mouth breather.
    Eggo
    Mews.

    I am so naming my next cat Mews. Joe Keery is awesome! I loved him in Free Guy!!

    Robin September 18, 2023 9:55 pm
    Though… knowing Rose misunderstood as she was take “throwing words around” to be using the wrong words as she just did. She focused on her actions not Robin’s words. If you know she isn’t on the same ... Tmsmyz

    Are you agreeing with me rn or disagreeing im honestly confused but either way on messages/replies you cannot hear my voice or my tone and even if you could you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference since like you guys I’m straight forward and not nice enough to be polite on text so yeah I shouldn’t have been so rude to “y’all” but then again “yall” kept on dishing out names like you where getting payed for it “let it fly in one eye out the the end of your anus” it was rude of me to say that but it was funny so idrc

    Robin September 18, 2023 10:05 pm
    Mikaela. I wasn’t planning on talking to you again. I agree with THE Toilet. Wow! A line I never thought I would say a month ago. Haha. I think Rose can accept you apology. I acted like purky and a few others... Tmsmyz

    Never thought I would live to see the day that tm or sm apologize but I guess since you guys did it I will to I was rude for telling you guys to smd but I don’t apologize for posting what you sent to me in messages since you guys kept calling me a manipulative toxic abusif person and stuff I do also apologize for being so quick to insult you guys that just my temper and attitude and we can agree to disagree on a topic even tho what’s happening in this book is rape but wtv we clearly don’t want to hear each other out which yk makes sense we live in different places think and feel differently but I still know what I said and did wasn’t manipulative or toxic wrong and rude maybe but manipulative?

    Robin September 18, 2023 10:14 pm
    “You are right no matter what anyone said, what happened in the shower scene was rape.”- removed adjective don’t need it. “Don’t bother responding to this person. I made that mistake and their alt acc... Torakaze

    Oh this is what you where talking about again I ain’t reading all of that abbreviate it and I might pookie

    Robin September 18, 2023 10:22 pm
    Robin…. “ What are you talking about”. I can’t tell if you’re confused or simply = to “ this mofo be sniffing that glue stick REAL well”. How do we know you are genuine confused or trying to harm... Tmsmyz

    I was genuinely confused since I didn’t see Tora’s other reply

    Tmsmyz September 19, 2023 12:10 am
    Are you agreeing with me rn or disagreeing im honestly confused but either way on messages/replies you cannot hear my voice or my tone and even if you could you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference since l... Robin

    I understand you thought “ I guess they are sorry for the behavior but it does come off insecure.
    “. was what she meant to where you posted a definition of insecure. You did cut off the “in” in insecure. To show we don’t know a meaning of a word?
    Tora and Rose thought you were correct her in a different way. She thought you were pointing out she didn’t use insincere.
    I understand you said “throwing out” and She said “changing words”. I understand you genuinely apologize. I agree she probably stop reading Tharp comments due to you denying being an ass and going after us. I don’t agree how you going after people. I don’t agree how you handled the misunderstanding. This is where it is needs to be said to rose and you - you too need to take a small break and, the part that people needs to add, then come back with fresh eyes. Both of you were to close to see you were not on the same page. I am both agreeing and disagreeing with you.

    You are right about the tone. I wish you will tell to some of your fellow haters. Dishing out names? You can only say that about Rose. And hers is mocking cyber bullies. Hater, cyber bully, bad faith actor, and troll is from your words and actions. We are not calling you names. We are not naming calling. If “shoelaces” is going to troll us. We will call “shoelaces” a troll by their words and actions. We are calling a hater a hater, a troll a troll. If you don’t like it. Change your behavior. It is that simple.

    Tmsmyz September 19, 2023 12:20 am
    Oh this is what you where talking about again I ain’t reading all of that abbreviate it and I might pookie Robin

    Dude!! It is mostly your comments.
    “ Overall: You missed punctuation and commas.
    If you want to be police others make sure you are perfect.”

    You don’t get it. You hate me calling you out. I am the student. I learned Tora. He is worse. He is like an AI. He understands the logic behind the words more than I do. He’s the Data person. He analyzes. He will see right through you. You won’t get him frustrated. He’s blunt. He’s like a textbook.

    Tora, I don’t know how you are going to analyze this or if you are going to ignore that. I will send some links for you to read before you do anything.
    Just remember some of it is from misunderstandings.

    Tmsmyz September 19, 2023 12:47 am
    Never thought I would live to see the day that tm or sm apologize but I guess since you guys did it I will to I was rude for telling you guys to smd but I don’t apologize for posting what you sent to me in me... Robin

    I don’t think you got to know me. TM is the one that makes most of the post. “You are being manipulative.” Being = action. “That is manipulative”. - action. Your actions and words are manipulative. I don’t think we called you manipulative. We don’t do that. We could have missed worded a sentence. If we missed worded a sentence and made it you. We are sorry. We can’t judge you. You are not in front of us. We are judging your behavior and words only.
    I will go back and look when I have time which will be a few days and if will apologize if I made a comment saying something like you said. However, I think you have misunderstood my words. You had the wrong impression of me. Maybe you have the wrong impression of the story? “ tho what’s happening in this book is rape in my opinion”. **. Please stop forcing your pov. If you don’t want to make it rape yes you clearly don’t want to listen when we have been listening.
    https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14214000/

    Unfortunately, you don’t understand me and have judged me.
    I can go digging for comments that old July 29. Of me saying rape is valid when you don’t take in all the story. How did I say it then. We allow the pov of rape. I even say there is not two pov there are MANY. We allow them. You, however, only allow yours by forcing yours and claiming I don’t want to listen to yours or others. That goes completely against me and my character. There are not two povs. Stop being manipulative on making it one pov. Can you go back to Mikaela’s comment.

    Imagine if one said “ and we can agree to disagree on a topic even tho what’s happening in this book is Sexual Assault. “
    Or

    and we can agree to disagree on a topic even tho what’s happening in this book is no Sexual Assault or Rape “

    We can agree to disagree but I will force my pov. “Everything before the word 'but' is horse shit". “- Jon Snow.

    I am not just throwing out words.