This is going to be a rant

100% agree with you this was great actually thanks for the insight I'm really grateful for this interaction

I love you so much just that

i never see anybody acknowledge that at this point in time it’s just become women making stories about men raping other men as if that’s not so disgusting to see as a gay man but then they have them end up together. i understand the origin of yaoi and even if i still find it kinda weird i still respect those women who found a healthy outlet through fictional stories. but it’s so sickening to see what’s it’s become and see how so many women think about and treat gay men. if i think about it too long i just want to rip my skin off i feel so disgusted. that’s why i’m always angry and complaining about stories like this one bc it’s not just a man creating a rape fantasy story but women getting off to the fantasy of a man raping another man. i just cant express enough how disrespectful and violated it makes me feel. and i still keep hate reading them but that’s my own problem to figure out . it’s at the point where if i find out a bl i really love was written by a woman i still feel gross. and this goes for not just yaoi or bl webtoons but novels, dramas, and movies too. it’s like i just can’t escape it.

So you did not read TMSM post or comment here.

It explains it. It least to me.

Oh you must had read only some of that. Got triggered and didn’t see what TMSM was saying.

can you stop following me around and attacking me please. it’s really fucking weird.

Oh my point was saying that women are harming men here. If they want to crate content like that for each other do it, why must they bring us men into it?

A month I was attacked on here. I am a rape survivor. I left. I hated the story and seme then. I saying I don’t like it now and giving it a second chance.
During this time period, the hate grow on here. My friend, TMSM was told to kill himself twice. In a conversation, TMSM said genuine readers can’t talk and it seems are getting more hesitant to talk. I felt me leaving I let haters win. I decided to come back. I am not a hostile person but I am now return the same behavior to them. Since I been back, I was told to kill myself. I started to be hostile to the haters. Thisislele is a hater. They lied and played victim. TMSM gave them chance after chance. If I remember correctly, this is the second topic I talked to them on. It is very common to talk to many readers on different topics. They were on different topics spreading misinformation on TMSM. That is being a hypocrite and delusional. I am not following them around. I seen their reply and thought if only they read the rest of TMSM topic maybe the whole situation between them and TMSM could had been avoided. They didn’t even read the comments to the post. They want to say willfully ignorant. They are not that special. I have no interest in a loser.

So on the other topic. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14449597/?page=5
“ rape survivors dont get special treatment when they treat other people like shit. trauma is not an excuse. and i never targeted their trauma anyway so why even bring it up lol”

They care more about characters than real people. They don’t care about rape or real rape survivors.
I was not asking for special treatment. I was treating them about the same as they were treating TMSM and me. My language was different. They could had changed and I did explained my behavior. They are a rape apologist.

After I was told to go kill myself TMSM wrote this to defend me and all the genuine readers. He copied and pasted it here.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14448911/
Thisislele writes
“ dont give a fuck, jaekyung is a rapist”
Don’t give a fuck how people are treated * like rape survivors. *
Haters are posers. They don’t really care. They don’t care about rape. They don’t care about real rape survivors.
TMSM instantly blocked. Thisislele mocked the block but TMSM has been justified. “Don’t give a fuck” said so much and it says so much about TMSM that tried to have a civil conversation with the hater afterwards. Haters are haters for hate on real people. TMSM and Torakaze are the knights in shining armor here. They defend this rape survivor from haters and I am defending them.

Yuri.
For right now, on my understanding don’t men do the same thing on women?

I only read page 2. I had last reply selected and felt saddened that a situation could had been avoided if a person read a whole topic or understand the point of the topic.

So I don’t know all the specifics of yours. I will go back and read more. There is so much to read. (⊙…⊙ ) ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

That is true, sadly.

i never said i dont care about rape survivors. how can you say im a rape apologist when i've been arguing against rape this whole fucking time idiot. stop assuming shit about me and fuck off. i never attacked anybody and i dont deserve your bullshit. i didnt give a fuck about their essay and i still dont. that is not an attack, and it is still my opinion that that fucker is a rapist. how is that being a rape apologist. stop making shit up about me to justify your bullying and hatred.

Can you please explain your point

comparing?! I read their comment like 5 times.
And …..

https://www.shatteringthesilence.org/blog/identifying-a-rape-apologist

Rape Apologist” is an umbrella term for someone who for someone who blames survivors (No), has a general disbelief in allegations of assault(No), and participates in the normalization of sexual violence (prove it, many people here don’t ignore it or trivialize the sexual abuse on Dan, some even makes it rape so that’s a No). They can be any person of any gender identity, sexuality, race, ethnicity, or age. While the term make evoke an image of a particular group or type of person, in reality, anyone can be a rape apologist. (Even you synfull). A rape apologist is not just someone who is outwardly aggressive towards survivors who speak out or someone who makes sexually harassing comments, they are also someone who is apathetic or tolerant towards sexual violence. One either participates in upholding or dismantling rape culture.

“Rape culture” is a term that’s as sinister sounding as its definition: to turn sexual assault, rape and other forms of violence against women into entertainment or to altogether ignore or trivialize these crimes.

altogether ignore or trivialize these crimes.

Op: I'm gonna recommend everyone that doesn't enjoy these types of contents and they want healthy stories to move to webtoon app. It's free, full of great stories with great plot lines and/or fluffy cute webtoons.
Or you can just open your eyes read the hashtags before starting a piece of media.. No I do not think this is romantic. No I do not condone rape or any form of SA in real life. PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO FIND WHATEVER FUCKED SHIT THEY WANT ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING 2D CHARACTER MADE OF PIXELS!!!!!)
your need to cancel or censor these types of media doesn't erase it from real life.
Yet OBVIOUSLY because this is a fictional piece of media it will have a happy ending and the shitty situation will turn for the better and a cheesy romance will be the outcome of their interactions.
This is not a psychological story nor did it ever pretend to be so it will not end in a dark heavy and real way as it shouldn't. You are NOT reading a documentary you are reading bl written by women on an ILLEGAL WEBSITE.
If you were so well educated to tell people what they are allowed to enjoy you must have read about why when and how bl started.
It was always written by women and FOR women. It's fictional and people are allowed to create whatever nonsense they want as fiction.

Story: it hurts. It hurts. He hurts me then he heals me.
How is it trivialized. Or ignored. Dan is trembling and crying. It shows no enjoyment at first and him not wanting to. He acts like a SA survivor and he is since we know from his SA abuse in the flashback from chapter 1 to Jk.

How are you seeing it being downplayed or ignored

You put them in their places.

look up rape apologist.

Research on how content that badly represents rape and/or victims of sexual assault contributes to rape culture. This author is known to downplay sexual violence as she did in BJ Alex. Sexual violence between couple that will end up with a happily ever after contributes to rape culture. It downplays rape into an obstacle in a relationship that can be gotten over. That is trivialising.
The fiction arguement is not a a valid one.
Palermo AM, Dadgardoust L, Arroyave SC, Vettor S, Harkins L. J. Sex. Aggress. 2019; 25(3): 244-257.
Tamir DI, Bricker AB, Dodell-Feder D, Mitchell JP. Reading fiction and reading minds: the role of simulation in the default network.
Thompson J, Teasdale B, van Emde Boas E, Budelmann F, Duncan S, Maguire L, Dunbar R. Does believing something to be fiction allow a form of moral licencing or a 'fictive pass' in understanding others' actions?
Romero-Sánchez, Mónica, et al. "Sexist humor and rape proclivity: The moderating role of joke teller gender and severity of sexual assault

Let’s cancel Paw Patrol.

Paw patrol: Where the puppies are heroes, kittens are villains. Dumb message to send to kids.

Why not call it pup patrol? Why are they all puppies? Zuma is an underwater crew member, why not a mammal that is both land and water? Skye is an air rescue team member, why not a bird?

Why is Skye the only main female lead?
Rumble, Chase, Zuma, Rocky, or Marshall couldn’t be females?
Women couldn’t be a police officer, an underwater crew member, construction crew worker, etc?
Only an air rescue crew member?

Skye, Everest, Liberty, Coral, and Ella are the only females. The last three barely made any appearances. They have been added recently too.

What dumb messages to sent to kids.

There was/is a movement to stop yaoi/bl as it does portray real homosexual relationships and harm them. Many women are behind that. It could had been started by a woman. I forgot.
I mean the whole thing not one genre.

I think you are changing what is there to a horrid story. It is like an horror story adaptation trying to damage something. It’s sad what you are doing.

You can think whatever you want, the facts are the facts and whatever weird agenda you think i must have is your problem. Its great that women are standing against what some yaoi and BL authors are doing, i know not all women support this content but the primary creators and primary audience is female women. That was what i was mentioning. I do hope you have a good day but im dont going to be replying to you anymore. You dont seem to comprehensively read what im saying and are making up your own theories. Have a nice evening.

Thisislele. I have no hatred. You are a rape apologist. Rape apologists can be actively dismantling rape culture.
“ a rape apologist is not just someone who is outwardly aggressive towards survivors who speak out or someone who makes sexually harassing comments, they are also someone who is apathetic or tolerant towards sexual violence. One either participates in upholding or dismantling rape culture.”
https://www.shatteringthesilence.org/blog/identifying-a-rape-apologist.

You are aggressive towards me. I admit my fault but my behavior didn’t matter you been the same. If I treated you as kindly and as if I was a doormat you were treated me the same. You just attacked me and you been attacking that is why I attacked you. No TMSM don’t deserve your BULLSHIT! You think this is about your opinion on a character? This is how you treated TMSM and spread misinformation on TMSM. He is not a character!! I don’t care if you want to look stupid in claiming a sexual abuser is a rapist. Loser. You are a rape apologist for how you treat me and what you said about me. I am not your stupid opinion. Stop making real people your opinions to justify your hatred and bullying.

Your hatred and bullying on TMSM is why we are here.

I think since you back out. I am right.
I think you are distorting facts.
I wouldn’t treat you like I am treating thisislele.
You are not a hater. It is your personal problem not my problem.
No. Not some, all yaoi and BL. I will try to find it. But you cut off communication. I will have TMSM or Tora to give it to you if you don’t look back.
I am comprehending this. I taking it all in but the side you’re on will fail. Am I making up theories or was it true.


You say it harms men. How does this harm TM and SM relationship? Let’s pretend SM or TM is a rape survivor or SA survivor how does this harm him?
TM has described SM is kind of like Dan. You think Dan is raped. How is Dan a character, being raped, in a fantasy world, harms SM a rape survivor in the real world? This is hypothetical so SM was previously rape by x-lover and TM saved SM from the abusive relationship. TM treats SM like a queen. SM is the one in control.