Why hate the seme and this manhwa in general?

Tsukishima Kai September 2, 2023 4:29 pm

Okay. I know how the first few sex scenes looked forced but it was consensual. The seme was rough and an ass but he asked first, uke agreed, and seme paid for that sex in cold cash. And he's still paying Dan that damned cash. Cash that Dan badly needed. Now don't get me started with the money for sex talk, because that really happens irl and we can't do anything about it. Basically, Dan accepted the job and Jaekyung is just taking what he paid for. I loved that the author actually threw it out there that Dan is in dire need of the money and he's willing to do anything for it and Jaekyung was the answer EVEN IF Dan doesn't like it. Took a while to see Dan getting hard while having sex because he obviously only did it for the money. And now we're seeing the development for both Dan (now he's actually enjoying the sex) and Jaekyung (he's kissing now and tries a little bit of foreplay AND actually paid the debt in full and the grandma's hospital bills) even though their feelings are still vague. Fvck. I wouldn't have made it to ch. 31 if the seme was THAT bad. He wasn't. At least as far as I've read. Idk about what's gonna happen next so I'll just enjoy how cute Heesung is here in case he's gonna be a bad character later lol.

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    toilet terrorist September 2, 2023 4:34 pm

    What about the public shower scene? Dan said 'i know i agreed but this is too much' and then hit Jaekyung trying to get away. That scene didnt feel consensual at all, what was Dan supposed to do run away? What would he say those the other members who started coming in? How could he make sure Jaekyung didn't beat his ass for bailing? He'd already hit him once and there was no way Jaekyung would care if he wanted to stop right now. He didn't give a flying fuck about doing it in public and he took Dan's genuine fear as a joke of some sorts. Talking bout 'are you gonna stop resisting now?' he knows Dan doesn't want it but is dismissing all his clear feelings. Weaponized ignorance

    Isa-chan September 2, 2023 4:50 pm

    Hi there! From your subject line I thought you were going to rip a hole into this series, but you didn’t. You make the same argument I do it’s A JOB Dan is doing. Keep reading, you’ve done the time. I’m sure we’re going to be hitting a bumpy road in the coming chapters, it be nice if I was wrong, but I doubt it.

    Tsukishima Kai September 2, 2023 4:58 pm
    What about the public shower scene? Dan said 'i know i agreed but this is too much' and then hit Jaekyung trying to get away. That scene didnt feel consensual at all, what was Dan supposed to do run away? What ... toilet terrorist

    Well, I did say that the seme is an ass, but as I have said, all the sex after Dan asked for that additional $10k on top of his $4k offer for the job should be expected, whether he likes it or not. Please don't forget that Dan was the one who asked for that huge amount of money for a monthly wage knowing full well what will happen. I don't dismiss the fact that seme isn't taking uke's fears into consideration but what can he do? He's basically being paid to become his sex toy. This manhwa is even lighter compared to others that actually humiliates the uke in public or even hurt the uke. Jaekyung is definitely calmer than them tbh.

    Tsukishima Kai September 2, 2023 5:01 pm
    Hi there! From your subject line I thought you were going to rip a hole into this series, but you didn’t. You make the same argument I do it’s A JOB Dan is doing. Keep reading, you’ve done the time. I’m... Isa-chan

    Hi! Ikr? That's why I can't seem to hate the seme completely. I mean, yeah, he's an ass, and everyone around him seems to think the same way, but he isn't as bad as others made him to be. I also hope this gets better, but Idk and Idc, I'll still read this anyway ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    toilet terrorist September 2, 2023 5:16 pm
    Well, I did say that the seme is an ass, but as I have said, all the sex after Dan asked for that additional $10k on top of his $4k offer for the job should be expected, whether he likes it or not. Please don't... Tsukishima Kai

    Dan is prostituting himself out of desperate need for money, just because Dan asked for more does not give leeway for Jaekyung to penetrate him without his consent. Dan did know what he was getting into but as i said before he literally thought 'i know i knew what i was getting into but this is too much' before punching Jaekyung to get him off him. It wasnt consenual even though Dan is being paid, he still has the human right to give consent. Whatever Jaekyung said what 'we have sex whenever i want whereever i want' is sexual exploitation and its not consensual unless every single time Jaekyhng initiates, Dan gives consent. If Dan doesnt want to Jaekyung forcing him like he did in the shower is rape DESPITE him saying he agreed, he again thought 'this is to much'. Its clear theres a huge power imbalance between them in general and sexual violence should not be denied just because of an invalid agreement. In terms of what consent is, the shower seen doesnt make the cut. Also, its so unrealistic bro, everyone will hear that ass clapping echo in the shower . Sorry i got unserious because i just thought it was so illogical how nobody seemingly found out what was going on, ik its fiction but its stupid.

    Chaebomss September 2, 2023 5:40 pm
    Hi! Ikr? That's why I can't seem to hate the seme completely. I mean, yeah, he's an ass, and everyone around him seems to think the same way, but he isn't as bad as others made him to be. I also hope this gets ... Tsukishima Kai

    Same thoughts, and the seme has been very clear on what he wants. I thought I'd hate the seme after reading all the comments about him, but no???

    Tsukishima Kai September 2, 2023 8:12 pm
    Dan is prostituting himself out of desperate need for money, just because Dan asked for more does not give leeway for Jaekyung to penetrate him without his consent. Dan did know what he was getting into but as ... toilet terrorist

    Yeah, this is fiction, especially it's yaoi so of course we have to leave our logic out the window every now and then. Usually, I would agree with your arguments above but this manhwa started with this tone where the uke is prostituting himself because of money to a seme who is a ruffian and an ass so I already conditioned my mind to not like the characters too much (despite the really good art). I don't see any sense in giving consent much thought in this manhwa though because (1) Dan basically sold himself to Jae (2) Jae told him what will happen during this sexual transaction and Dan still went through with it and (3) Jae actually gives Dan the right to say no if it really matters (e.g. the first time they had sex where he was given the choice to leave and the time the hospital called him). I don't think that particular scene in the shower makes such a huge impact because they basically have sex more often than not and having sex anytime anywhere is part of the contract lol but I'm hoping the author gives time for Jae to know more about Dan in the future because he literally doesn't know anything about him and that's okay because they're basically together for sex business and that's how sex business works. But I want him to know that he's actually Dan's first in everything and that he has a past trauma with molestation. Just, character development in general for the both of them I guess.

    Tsukishima Kai September 2, 2023 8:14 pm
    Same thoughts, and the seme has been very clear on what he wants. I thought I'd hate the seme after reading all the comments about him, but no??? Chaebomss

    Same, I thought that too. I even left this on my list for a while and never touched it until yesterday because I thought the seme was an extreme red flag but turns out he wasn't haha