Why is everyone so shocked

Mushroom dance August 20, 2023 10:49 am

Is it just me or is anyone else surprised by all the moral hand wringing in these comments. Like….this is a story with rape and incest and it’s largely smutty. why write entire essays about how shocking and problematic it is? You’re choosing to read it, the story never promised to critically unpack anything, it’s just Egyptian mythology smut, I’m sorry I’m just genuinely confused???

Responses
    Lysander August 22, 2023 12:21 am

    I get what you're saying and I agree with you in some ways. Actually I'm reading this webtoon because the plot is well written and the story very interesting and also because I can read it illegally and choose to not support the author (I'm going to explain why). Incest etc... does not really bothers me here because this is about Egyptian mythology so it's something kinda legit. But what bothers me and bothers probably other people is that the author is making smut out of rape scenes and that shouldn't be something that needs to be romanticized

    Heu77 August 22, 2023 4:59 am

    People are free to criticize. I just don’t like it when people who have read BL many times are shocked it happens. It’s BL after all. That’s why there are readers, readers are all different and have different views, some will just read without commenting, some will offer different perspectives and opinions. And although I am bothered that the author even made a non-canon rape scene for FANSERVICE, it’s all fiction and plus I’m desensitized to it after spending my time in the yaoi community for years.

    popcorn August 22, 2023 8:21 am
    People are free to criticize. I just don’t like it when people who have read BL many times are shocked it happens. It’s BL after all. That’s why there are readers, readers are all different and have diffe... Heu77

    i think that’s the problem… no one should be desensitized to rape…

    Heu77 August 22, 2023 9:32 am
    i think that’s the problem… no one should be desensitized to rape… popcorn

    Well it’s not something one can control. I mean it’s a choice to read stories like this, some will be affected and some won’t, etc. I personally don’t mind it as long as it’s not romanticized and is fiction.

    No one should be. But unfortunately the world isn’t so peaceful to let that be.

    Mushroom dance August 22, 2023 6:02 pm
    I get what you're saying and I agree with you in some ways. Actually I'm reading this webtoon because the plot is well written and the story very interesting and also because I can read it illegally and choose ... Lysander

    But thats why I’m confused if it upsets you so much and is so problematic…why not just stop reading? Surely your morals aren’t overwritten just because of the story. Also the rape is integral to the story, without rape there isn’t a story at all, so it’s part of the plot no matter what. So again I’m confused why the horror at smutty bl with common problematic tropes, if you continue to willingly read it?

    Mushroom dance August 22, 2023 6:03 pm
    People are free to criticize. I just don’t like it when people who have read BL many times are shocked it happens. It’s BL after all. That’s why there are readers, readers are all different and have diffe... Heu77

    It’s fan service because non-con is common fantasy and a prevelant trope. Rape and smut are interconnected in this story, the story doesn’t exist without it. So that’s why I’m confused??

    Heu77 August 22, 2023 6:22 pm
    But thats why I’m confused if it upsets you so much and is so problematic…why not just stop reading? Surely your morals aren’t overwritten just because of the story. Also the rape is integral to the story... Mushroom dance

    The point is people can still read and still comment how they think about a situation, people say why they don’t just leave but one can choose to read and still express themselves. It’s normal. It’s a problem if someone can’t separate fiction and reality.
    I especially enjoy non con but I know it’s different in reality.

    Heu77 August 22, 2023 6:23 pm
    It’s fan service because non-con is common fantasy and a prevelant trope. Rape and smut are interconnected in this story, the story doesn’t exist without it. So that’s why I’m confused?? Mushroom dance

    That’s a good point. It’s just a problem if people romanticize rape. It’s one thing to have fantasies and another to romanticize such situations Set went through.

    Mushroom dance August 22, 2023 6:56 pm
    The point is people can still read and still comment how they think about a situation, people say why they don’t just leave but one can choose to read and still express themselves. It’s normal. It’s a pro... Heu77

    That’s a very valid point of view, I would definitely be boring if we couldn’t talk about the text critically. Thanks for sharing your perspective with me, I appreciate it.

    Heu77 August 22, 2023 8:05 pm
    That’s a very valid point of view, I would definitely be boring if we couldn’t talk about the text critically. Thanks for sharing your perspective with me, I appreciate it. Mushroom dance

    Of course! It was nice discussing ^^

    Lysander August 24, 2023 10:42 pm
    People are free to criticize. I just don’t like it when people who have read BL many times are shocked it happens. It’s BL after all. That’s why there are readers, readers are all different and have diffe... Heu77

    The non canon rape scene for fan service actually bothered me a lot even if I know how BL "is" (because I'm sorry but it shouldn't be a normality to asociate BL with rape). Personally I'm really reading Enead because of the plot and I'm aware that it is a BL but romanticizing rape shouldn't be accepted in any ways

    Lysander August 24, 2023 10:46 pm
    But thats why I’m confused if it upsets you so much and is so problematic…why not just stop reading? Surely your morals aren’t overwritten just because of the story. Also the rape is integral to the story... Mushroom dance

    I'm aware I continue to reas it despite those facts but this is only, like I said, because I read illegally and so don't support the author. The plot is very good and I'll continue to like it but what I mean is that it isn't the depiction of rape itself that bothers me, but the fact that it's ROMANTICIZED, you can mention rape without romanticizing it but here it is litterally said that it's made for fan service

    Mushroom dance August 25, 2023 3:56 pm
    I'm aware I continue to reas it despite those facts but this is only, like I said, because I read illegally and so don't support the author. The plot is very good and I'll continue to like it but what I mean is... Lysander

    I guess we have a difference of opinion, because I think it’s ok to fantasise and romanticise taboo things in fiction as long as you don’t in real life. But thank you for replying with your perspective it was very good to discuss and see your point of view :)