It's ok to enjoy fictional rape, whatever makes you happy lol I couldn't care less. But people who claim there's no rape in this story and JK is so amazing and BF material are delusional or abusers themselves
Challenge for rape defenders who say there's consent: Quote in which episode Dan said anything like "You can put in now" "I'm ready" or anything that tells us, readers he's mentally and physically ready to take it in now
literally. they're thinking if Dan consented to being his partner, jaekyung has the right to do anything he wants with him. same as when people say it can't be rape between married couple cause they're married. and it makes me so mad and sad at the same time, so many of the readers lack braincells i fear
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14230866/
There are many pov.
Rape vs not rape.
To genuinely readers of Jinx that sees rape this topic is not meant for you. This is aimed at the cyber bullies/trolls but I know there are many genuine readers with this pov and I understand how you logical come to this conclusion. I seek civil conversations from you and want a professional conversation with you. Don’t mind what I say here as genuine readers I think you would be secure and know others would have different pov to not force them into something hideous pov. The trolls and cyber bullies have been harassing me and will gaslighting you
—- genuine readers who sees it as rape please stop reading.
Us: we read the story carefully see SA and abuse. There is no rape.
You: you read the story see rape by cherry picking or using one perspective. You see rape.
When you are defending your POV of rape and calling us rape defenders. It doesn’t make sense. You are defending rape being in a story that doesn’t support it. You are forcing your pov on others who doesn’t have that view.
It is like preaching about God to an atheist. They don’t believe in God. It is an illogical argument.
Calling us rape defender when there is no rape in the story and we see no rape is illogical.
You see rape and you are forcing us to be rape defenders over your pov of rape. You are defending your pov of rape. You are defending rape. You are the rape defenders.
The rape defenders are the ones trying to make an SA and abusive story about rape.
Be respectful to others. Stop forcing your pov on others.
If you think it is rape stop degrading the other side. We can be civil. Seek professional help if you think harming others is entertaining.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14226757/
I am going to add a quote. It is religious but try to understand.
“Just because I don’t worship your particular god, doesn’t mean I worship your particular Satan. Satan is part of your delusion. Not mine.”
I don’t believe in Satan. It is hilarious when people use Satan on me. Let’s change this quote to fit here: just because I don’t believe your particular pov, doesn’t mean I believe your particular beliefs. Rape in the story is your delusion. Not mine.
You calling us rape defenders is hilarious but sad as it degrades you. You are attacking me with your pov and I don’t share your pov to be offended
Story: The cat is pretty. The dog is brave. The tiger is smart. The blue dinosaur is big. The ladybug is small.
Them: The green dinosaur ate them all.
Us: There are no green dinosaurs in the story to ate them all.
Them: Green dinosaur defenders! Admit there is a green dinosaur.
Truth: They are defending the green dinosaur because they are adding the green dinosaur or just seeing the blue dinosaur and not looking at the rest of the story then harassing others about it.
You are challenging yourself. You are the rape defender. We are not rape defenders. We are not defending JK or thinking JK is amazing. One of us is a rape survivor who hates JK. One of us is straight who doesn’t care about JK. Your ignorance is ridiculous. We are not delusional or abusers. It is sickening. “See rape or be delusional or abuser because I can’t handle the pov of the story.”
No it is respect other pov.
You know you are talking about yourself and the haters, right?
That was a bunch of shit. Married couples there can be rape. We understand what rape is. Stop whiny and being ridiculous.
dont tire yourself explaining with facts they wont understand anyway they are more focused on the abuse than the whole story. that been said : this is for the op of the post -----> i cant understand why people keep complaining i know you can state your opinion and its yours but why push your opinion so strongly on others, we dont need education on what is what we know what we read thats for sure, i have seen civil conversations here without people beeing insulting each other as you are doing with your comment. if you want civil answers you should have civil conversation
Shan you seemed to be cherry picking to your pov and leaving out the rest of the story. Like in chapter 3 after that threat he tells him to leave. It makes that invalid.
Isn’t what you want in chapter 3? “Please just… put it in now..”.
You are using thoughts bubbles. You can’t use those. Rape by thoughts? We would be in trouble in real life.
I told you “ You can see the story as rape. But the story isn’t rape in context. Try reading and not cherry picking.”
You are cherry picking. You are desperately defending your rape pov. You are the rape defender. It is illogical to call us rape defenders. Why not have a real conversation with us instead of attacking us and forcing us into your pov or be something because you are being immature and insecure about your pov? How immature of you to do this. It is a joke.
did they block you ? XD thats what they do saying that we made them uncomfortable ╮(￣▽￣)╭
You are right in what you said. It is a waste of time and it is not for him. I explain for others reading it.
They never understand the situation or facts. It is scary how they obsessed with the abuse and rape.
I blocked Shan after I talked about his actions. I told him he was BEING ridiculous and pathetic, not that he was. It was on his behavior. A behavior he can change.
I defended another reader here from a toxic behavior. The one with toxic behavior tried to make it the story and it was a weird reply. It was gaslighting. My friend pointed it out. Shan comes in mocking him and more gaslighting with points away from our replies. Shan never talk to us. He made up versions of us to attack. He tried to be condescending and emotional abusive. I found no real conversation with him and treated him like I treat cyber bullying. I needed to be more like Torakaze. He made this post trolling people after engaging with me but it only harmed him. It shows he can’t handle different pov or opinions. He has to attack and insult others to force his pov on others. That would be him taking the lost. I am correcting his lies for newcomers. It has little to do him. If he is like the others, he will still call us rape defenders looking ridiculous when he does. They think they are doing something here to us but they are making theirselves like a joke with how threatened they are. They are not genuinely readers. They are just sad and scary. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14306020/
there are some readers here that really think they are guiding readers on what to read and what is safe and the time comes for a conversation they become defensive and isulting i find it funny cause i know from their way of replying they are some teenagers that think they know everything
I used thoughts bubbles? xDDD Seriously, did youi even check? https://imgur.com/a/Be40gBV
Ok, from all the examples I used 2 thoughts "I hope its over soon" and when he says this is why he didn't want to be in more debt... BUT those thought bubbles were AFTER he begs to stop and to wait and to go gentle over and over.
Even if he doesn't like it in his mind he STILL verbaly and loud asks to stop and slow down.
Ah yes, he asks to put in in 3rd episode, just after he was begging to slow down FORCED fingering and couldn't handle it anymore. Amazing consent, seriously. To torture someone until they beg you to out in and end the suffering quicker.
There's no rape or no rape POV. There's no debate, it happened or not happened. If Dan do not wish to have sex in that specific way, or place, or moment and he has sex against his wish it is rape.
What are you talking about? I'm a bit lost. Who's blocked? Who's uncomfortable? Can you quote or screenshot?
i was replying to another reader.
I'm up for a civil conversation but last time we tried I was called coward(?), that I have insecurities(?) that I gaslight and I got blocked so I couldn't even reply to this comment xD All because I called a rape - rape...
So~~
To make it short and easy
I don't believe Rape can be a "POV", it's not a matter of perspective. It's that simple
Character A: I don't want sex
Character B: If we don't fuck rn, I'll beat you up
and they proceed to have sex... It was FORCED sex, which is rape. It wasn't a physical force, but a matter of power and fear.
In the same time if you hold your own phone, and I grab it against your will, and run away with it and never give it back to you even if you want it back, it is stealing.
If I hold a knife and ask you to give me your phone, and you give it against your will it is still stealing. No stealing vs no stealing PoV
There are certain actions where one person ends up being a victim and we have names for those actions. It's not POV
Who was talking about me so I'm still involved xD
Also, I thought a mature conversation would be me saying "My thesis is that this is rape. Here's a definition of rape i found in an official directory" and those are my reasons (I sourced my reasons as direct quotes and episode numbers so everyone can check) and whoever would disagree with me could say "My thesis is this is not a rape because...." and send me to direct scenes in the comic that could give some context it was not rape and I'm wrong or try to explain the depths of JK and Dans relationship or psychology that I might be missing.
And the answers I got "Um we think there's no rape, if you think this is rape seek professional help" and then some anecdote about God, pretty cat and brave dog xDD
we have povs cause this is a story and that its porpose to make each intividual to have his own theories about the story/manga they are reading, (we know rape/abuse happens we dont go on every post announcing about it cause it not the main plot of the story). we can watch the same movie and we can see different things its how the mind works some people notice other stuff than other people do. Now that being said i dont wanna keep this conversation going on.
Ok thank you for the answer. I won't bother you anymore, I'll just add I don't say rape is the main plot of the story, I know it's not.
“there are some readers here that really think they are guiding readers on what to read and what is safe and the time comes for a conversation they become defensive and isulting i find it funny cause i know from their way of replying they are some teenagers that think they know everything”.
That is true. It is funny. Painfully funny.
Sadly, if Shan was in a civil conversation he would never been called out on his bad behavior. What he is describing is rape but it doesn’t hold up to the story. What he is saying about the situation does hold up either.
I was talking about his actions, not him. He was mocking Tora for calling out hate and how the other reader comment didn’t correlate with my comment. I don’t know Shan’s reply to Torakaze’s reply that calling out hate and a match-mixed conversation was saying rape is rape. That is being to obsessed with rape. I blocked him on his toxic immaturity behavior. It had nothing to do with is his rape pov.
I never said this “ Um we think there's no rape, if you think this is rape seek professional help". He is lying again. I told him” The comment I am replying to is immature and disgusting. You should seek professional help if you believe that shit. Also, he is not a boxer. You are being ridiculous and pathetic.”
I said the comment was immature. Is he a comment? Haha. It is words and his actions. You are BEING. Being = action. “ Your insecurities are showing. “ isn’t he is insecure and it is from his word and actions. If he was secure he won’t be acting like this. He did gaslight. He gaslighted here
“ I used thoughts bubbles? xDDD Seriously, did youi even check? ” vs lol “ Ok, from all the examples I used 2 thoughts”. He can’t stop trying to degrade his opponents. It is pathetic. A civil conversation is on the topic. It is not personal attacking others.
Some of his details are not Jinx. There are many POVs. It is not just it is rape pov vs it is not rape pov. There are not two. Rape is a pov. The story if you take everything into account, it isn’t rape. It is sad, they are saying there is no debate when they been forcing their pov on others for a long time. They are to obsessed with rape to see the truth of the story or there are many POVs from theirs.
This, as everyone could tell is a lie. “ called coward(?), that I have insecurities(?) that I gaslight and I got blocked so I couldn't even reply to this comment xD All because I called a rape - rape..”
A mature conversation would not be insulting the others person or forcing your pov on others. If he wanting answers to understand, he shouldn’t be lying and gaslighting. He is just showing he will not take us seriously and just degrade us more. He does not want to genuinely understand from how he responded to Torakaze to now. He is making fun of the logical examples of how illogical to call us rape defenders because they made sense. He is exposing himself as a toxic immature bully with each replies. Mature and secure people don’t exhibit those behaviors.
I don’t know if I will call this a conversation but let’s use it. I am with you. I don’t want to keep this “conversation” going with the insults, degrading, lying, gaslighting, emotional abusive behavior, and other negative behavior. It is not worth when he is saying he is imposing and don’t care about any answers besides his lies on us and POV or he wouldn’t be lying. I gave you the link and he lied to you like 5 times there while trying to say he was trying to have a civil conversation. I am dying laughing over here that Shan’s reply to Torakaze’s comments calling out hate and a mixed match “conversation” is calling rape, rape. .
For some peoplewho discuss if it's rape or not and say it's only POV of individuals. Definition: "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the person subjected to such penetration"
Episode 3:
Dan says: "I can't do that, there's no way it would fit inside me"
JK repons: "If you waste my time like that last little bitch, Dont expect to be send home safe and sound".
Little bitch referring to a person he just beaten up in front of Dan.
Episode 7
Dan"Wait sir, not here" [he's uncomfortable with sex in public] "Stop"
He even HITS him in defense and continues to say to stop in EP 8
Episode 12
JK puts the sex toy on his dick and Dan is clearly terrified. JK puts his hand on Dans lips and fucks him before he says anything. He says "I hate it"
Episode 14
Dan says JK is too deep and and that hurts and to be gentler. JK forces to kiss him and continues the rough sex
Episode 18
Dan just says "You can't just" and in his inner thoughts he admits this is why he did NOT want to be in a bigger debt with JK
Episode 19
Dan during sex "I hope its over soon"
Episode 20
Dan "please let me down, please not like this"
Also we are episode 20 and thi is THE FIRST TIME Dan even got hard
Episode 24
He once again ask to slow down and stop and has trouble breathing in the position they do it
Episode 28
"This is to rough, I cant" after he wanted to finger himself in his own speed and terms but JK didn't let him and fingers him himself
Also thinks the position is humiliating, so normally he wouldn't consent to do it but he's forced to as JK pays and required him to do all the uncomfortable stuff
I can't be bothered to go any further, I think that's already enough