If you don't like this, drop it. End of story. Stop camping out on every update just to ...

Well, the first step to correcting a mistake is recognizing what you did wrong. And I think that's one step closer to a more understanding community. I just hope the others who did the same can see the problem, too. Though, I guess that might just be wishful thinking lol.

Lol but I was referring to Sam though.

Chill, I was not trying to say YOU or ur community condon pedophiles. My bad that i was very blunt. I dont see smart ppl like you here every day.

Its all frictional. Idk why would you differentiate one from another? Both normal rape and c rape are...both....rape and fictional. Why is one okay and other is not? That was one of the questions but I what really wanted to make a point about was *NORMALISING* shit that shouldn't be bruh. Whatever type of rape it is. Like i said my approach was a far stretch. You dont have to read into that and assume that i am calling you all pedos. I am well aware how much people hate pedos. Me too.

The author could have given this manhua a rape/sa warning if they considered it rape, but they didn't and neither do the fans?...sounds like playing a little into the rape culture to me. Warning exist for a reason. Why is the toxic content still not kept in check?
The underlying tone. "Shota oni" ("yaoi") for example, it starts all fluffy and cute but now its taking a pedo route, people not seeing it and then defending it, i am sure many of them are females and adults. Yet again my point being its so NORMALISED that you cant even see it. Its not just creepy old men.
Seems unrelated but its the worst/best example of Normalising stuff. As for jinx there are people who dont see them as a abuser and a victim. THEY CANT EVEN SEE IT. And liking the abuser for the "romantic" aspect. (Adult or nah)
Unlike the author of killing stalking (its far worse than jinx ofc in terms of abuse) who clearly stated that its not a romance but the toxic liking 'community' thinks other wise?

You are probably the sanes of the 'community' and can understand that. But many people dont think like you.

Heavier plot isnt the problem but people not seeing it as one at the end of the day is. Which is mostly dismissed as "its fiction so its okay"

And i am sorry when did i harrasser anyone? (Yeah the blunt comment i made towards you did sound like harrassment, my bad for that) but i mostly talk shit to the rape defenders. I have never said "u r disgusting for reading this" or "what the fuk is wrong with you?" to anyone. Where did you get that info from? If you are so updated on the harrasment i do then you have read me saying "i dont hate ppl who read this shit while being fully aware or purely for the art" didn't you?
I read it coz its bad myself. It interests me coz its bad. I dont find it intriguing but i dont hate it. I read it coz i can. I am just more morally inclined than you.

As for the 'community' you talk about, it aint that peaceful. That small number of people exist that hop on when a someone says something they dont like like "its rape" as a final word, who are quietly leaving so they harrasing them for it. And some are close towards any criticism.

(Sorry if i am being blunt. Yet again you are probably the sanest person i have seen out of all. So i am not actually trying to fight with you.)

As for tmsmyz
I have never stalked you? Bruh i dont even read the big paras u send. I blocked you for a reason and u blocked me for a reason. Cant you accept that we have different povs and move on already? I only reply to the ops who clearly see the rape pov and are stuck arguing with you and ur bs....when you are trying to force them to see yours as if your pov is the absolute. A few times was okay. But ya all go all out on people so say the word "rape" in perticular now a days. Stop replying to me.

i was playin around haha

Toilet, you NEED to understand TM was explaining there are no known rape defenders here but the cyber bullies have missed called a group, rape defenders. You “VICTIMIZED” him by saying he thought Kiokio was referring to him. TM was explaining the page, man. TM was defending himself from your ignorant words on his actions. He wasn’t reaching or victimizing himself. That was disgusting that you can’t even see what you did and treat him like that with lies.
He didn’t think you called him one and he didn’t think Kiokio thought they were referring to him but misunderstood the situation. There was no reason to write about him or about him erroneously being called one thinking the message was about him when he wrote an explanation of what happened away from him. Stop “victimize” him so he doesn’t have to defend himself to where you claimed he is “victimized” himself. It seems like you were poking fun at TM, your victim of cyber bullying and toxic behavior. He is Dan to your Joo.

Sam
You never cyber stalked him? You go out of your way to cyber stalk him. LOOK AT END OF FIRST YOUR COMMENT! You directed a misused words and lies all on TM. Sounds like you need to stop lying and cyber bullying and move on. He is calling out the lies, bro. He has never argued here. He has defended from cyber bullying like you. He has tried to have conversations. He has never tried to force anyone in a pos. He is not you Sam. How about you stop gaslighting the situation, lying about him, stop the “rape defender” BS, and the cyber stalking on him?

We will correct the lies. We will call out the lies. If you don’t want a response stop lying and move on.
Stop being a pathetic insecure cyber bullying. We are here because you and others can’t stop cyber bullying after a blocked. We are not interested. Take a hint.

Prayers could be non religious. Many non-religious people prays.
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There are rape defenders in this comment section but perhaps you guys havent seen them since they were here at really early chaps. "i think when you said rape defender they thought you were reffering to them", i said i think for a reason to make it clear that i wasnt sure. You overreacted and you're again, looking too deep into what i say. Everything i said in that comment you should've taken at face value since your assumptions werent actually be confirmed nor are they true. Whether you think i was poking fun at him or not is your own problem, i was being very genuine with the first and second comment. All kiokio did was ask a question and i replied because i had an answer about the term she was using. I apologise if you got the wrong impression but comparing me to a sexual abuser is insanely insulting to say the least considering I've been molested (not that you knew). Think whatever you want, you're entitled to your opinion afterall.

Tora, you blocked me first long time ago but clearly you are still obsessed with me. Bruh. I dont get you. Bye.

Tora was helping here. He isn’t obsessed with you, Sam. He barely been here. Block = to be forgotten because of your behavior. ;). He blocked you to be obsessed with you?? Hahaha

I was so surprised when she used the word obsessed.

Toilet. Tora made a logical point not an AsSuMpTiON. We didn’t overact. You did. I think Mi Amore joined in between chapters 28-29 maybe 27. I don’t know. Tora after 28? I don’t know. I was after chapter 29 before the hiatus. We have no reason to back to earlier topics. We are not like Sam or you who are camping out to harass others. You do go in between being toxic to being decent. But once you are angry at something, we get 3 or more accounts attacking us as you do nothing and watch them attack us as if it punishes us or something. We try or avoid you. All of us had you blocked. If mangago had a better blocking system we wouldn’t be here seeing your toxic behavior.

My first comment only explain the situation. It is not clear I was apart of the situation. It wasn’t clear of my POV. I distant myself from the situation and explained the current situation to Kiokio who seemed to be misled. Currently there are no rape defenders in the real term. Tora did not make an assumption. It was a logical point from the conversation with the last 10 or so days. It was an unnecessary point to made it. It was like I had all those signs on me in a bugs bunny show saying I was in the drama and I was called a rape defender( from the cyber bullies) and I might be misunderstanding the message to be at me. No, you did not call me one but you were doing something else. You may has been “genuine”, whatever that means to you, but it seems you wanted to stir up drama and bring information here that was not necessary. For 10 days here there hasn’t been any rape defenders besides the misuse of the term of the cyber stalkers and I added a meaning to fit their actions. On the second reply of mine or one following after a question I explained more. It shows I NEVER forced a pov.
That last bit of Tora’s message wasn’t about sexual abuse. It was about the toxic behavior. It is funny you went there. He was trying to get you to understand. You were talking about 16 fingers and bombing my toilet…

If you were genuine you would said I was called rape defender by the cyber bullies (but that includes Sam and your friends) and more details of what happened instead of causing more misunderstandings. We are not looking to deep. It is very shallow. Tora said “it seems like you were” he didn’t said you were or assumed anything. You overreacted. He was pointing out your behavior and your words to what was actually said. You made it clear your did take his words at face value nor are you talking to him about his words. You are talking to your own version of him and his words.

“People who were sexually abused in childhood may have a higher risk of being in adult relationships where they are abused physically, emotionally, or sexually. In some cases, people who were victimized may become abusive themselves.This pattern is known as a cycle of abuse.”

https://www.verywellmind.com/the-cycle-of-sexual-abuse-22460#:~:text=People%20who%20were%20sexually%20abused,as%20a%20cycle%20of%20abuse.

Check yourself. You are abusive on here to many people, even before we came along. We don’t want to see more of your and others abusive comments that is why we don’t want to go back.

I was too. I don’t think Tora has said anything about Sam to me. Lol
Here is another one
In this topic. Toilet writes to Sam. “Sam Sam my son”
Sam is a male. I guess. I been thinking the same like you.

it’s not the name. Sam is unisex. I think it is the profile picture.

Thought Tora was implying something when he said it seemed i overthought that part my bad. Im not willing to argue with you about this since my conversations with you never go anywhere, sorry for even replying to a question that was referred to you i didnt have bad intentions. I dont want to talk to you as much as you do, God bless you man.

I am not saying you are calling us pedophiles. I was simply disagreeing, heavily, on the part where you think pedophilia could ever be normalized, especially in connection to this setting or community. As I've mentioned before, even the worst of the worst criminals abhor pedophiles. To put it clearly, I am saying no one, in all walks of life, would ever accept pedophilia, so I don't think there is any use of using such topic in this discussion.

And again, I have said that child porn, fiction or not, is something vastly different in terms of substance, market, and consumers. It depicts children and minors in a situation where the reader, most likely a person older than the child in the said written fiction, easily imagines themselves to be the individual committing the act. It fuels their sick desires to witness children in a sexual setting. They want to see that and are actively enjoying the acts done in the story.

The people who read heavier plots do not take pleasure in any harm done to the characters. I, personally, have never seen any readers encourage the abuse done in the story. And I don't think anyone here is reading the story for the sexual assaults either. Nobody here is saying rape is okay. Nobody is defending rape to be seen as normal. No one even wishes to be put in the same situation as the characters depicted. People are simply inclined to read heavier plots as it both races and weighs down your feelings as you read along the story. It creates a rollercoaster of emotions, the same way horror movies and action films drive out fear and excitement from its consumers.

Reading such stories doesn't make you any less morally good nor does not reading it make you more morally inclined. If watching or reading stories outside the morality of society is such a bad thing, genres like slasher movies and sci-fi would also need to be erased, no? Since it showcases death and harm to people. But people who watch and disregard the actions in the movie aren't seen as bad because, why? Because it is fiction. It is allowed to be disregarded due to that fact. Hence, why the argument of how it shouldn't be okay just because it's fiction is null. Any kind of opinion of such movies, may it be good or bad, does not translate to reality at all. I am confident to say that if any of the people here were to actually witness sexual abuse in real time, I am sure they would help the victim and report it to authorities.

Your point of view creates a prejudice in your opinion and paints this community as sexual assault apologists. You view people who give positive reviews to such stories as someone who actively motivates such behavior. No, they want it to stop. Their 'positive opinions', ones that are hoping for a character development and a happy ending, are most likely limited to the story itself. No one is actually like that in real life. I don't think I've ever encountered a reader wanting an actual case of sexual assault to have a happy ending. Those are the 'religious' people who want that, because, you know, "It's better to have a complete family". They're reading a different type of book and I won't go further on that. That's their messy business.

As for the trigger warnings, I apologize but I see that as an entitlement to demand such a thing. No one is responsible to cater to your needs aside from yourself. If you see the story is toxic, which most likely already has telltale signs way before the actual act, you simply exit the story and move along. Such stories are also pretty much rated 18+, I believe? The author for this specific manhwa is also already known to have created BJ Alex. Aside from the legal source of this manhwa, this site itself have also put warnings that states, "The following content is intended for mature audiences and may contain sexual themes, gore, violence and/or strong language. Discretion is advised." I don't know what you want more, but to also hold readers accountable for warning strangers who could very much read the room themselves is a bit much, no? Readers of such plots don't shout about the toxicity because they don't mind it. So you and the others who don't like it should just, talk among yourselves, I guess? Again, both the author and the readers are not responsible for your needs. And I mean that in the sincerest way possible.

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No, I didn't mean you harassed me, though from the way you first commented, I did assume you were one of the harassers who cyberbullied others and mocked their opinions. My bad if you weren't, I didn't really thoroughly check the comments.

The small number of people you speak of who attacked others that said the story was rape and left were probably the ones who got demonize for reading such stories. At least that's what I'm assuming from the many cases I've seen in other comment sections. I don't condone any of them though. Any type of harassment is loser behavior to me.

And don't worry! I'm not reading your replies with an angry tone. I do believe we are having a proper discussion so props to us! Since it's rare these days lol.