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I don’t think there are any rape defenders who are defending rape.
“Rape defenders” is used by the ones to harass the ones who don’t see this story as rape but SA and abusive. It is an illogical argument and trying to shame us because there is no rape to defend. Rape is their POV. Maybe yours too? They are not being respectful to them. The rape defenders are the cyber bullies here because how they defend rape and obsessed with rape.
And not genuine readers who logical think rape after a scene without all the details. We always respect other pov.
You are spot on with everything else and I agree with but you got misled by the cyber stalkers on the “rape defenders” and they will not stop. They are probably teenagers who don’t know any better.

I'm sorry, I got confused by what you meant on the 'rape defenders'. Is it a derogatory term used against the people who see nothing wrong with the actions done in the story? I merely used the term to refer to people who try to say rape is okay and nothing else. I would love a clearer explanation tho!

Normalising fictional murder: done
Normalising fictional rape (straight/gay): done
Next up: Normalising fictional chi*d porn

"I don't see fictional people as real people" i am so glad we agreed on that one. Ofc i dont condone child abuse irl. I can distinguish between fantasy and reality.

(Just coz u can handle it and won't do it irl doesn't mean its not wrong bruh...far stretch from murder to rape then to child p ik but still fictional yk...i dont see why u would be opposing it coz "its fictional so its okay")

(And dont bother arguing with the rape defender over here, they will explain shit to you, in case you r not actually playing with them lol)

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Not here. Here it is used by the cyber stalkers on who has a different POV or has the POV of the story. They are forcing their pov on us instead of being respectful.
Saying this isn’t rape ≠ see nothing wrong with the actions done in the story. We still think the first uke needs to press charges for first face being slammed in the wall. We still see the SA and toxic abusive behavior how Joo treats Dan. He slammed his head in a pillow that isn’t right. We are not excusing his behavior or white washing him. We are not defending him. It is like we are saying he didn’t tie him up. It is like we are saying he didn’t keep him the basement. We are saying he didn’t rape him and it is highly illogical to think we are white washing him of his behavior when he is still abusive and toxic. He threatened Dan. Tell me how saying there is no rape erases the threats, the sa, or the abusive behavior?
We have said it is not rape but sa and abusive. Rape is apart sa but sa is more.
They hate us and are spreading misinformation about us because they think it is “funny” or trying to force us to leave. They can’t share this page or stop their lying hating bs. They can’t be adults. They have to live in hate. It is sad. Just because you see rape and someone else doesn’t, doesn’t make them a rape defender here. This story isn’t clear cut as many other stories are. When you take in all details of the story, it is not rape. If someone was denying rape in Hoga Hagyeongsu, I would be questioning it but I would avoid them and avoid making messages like yours to them. Many others are carefully reading this and coming to the conclusion: it is not rape. If you see rape that is your pov but that doesn’t make us rape defenders from your pov when the story says something else. The problem here is not pov vs pov. It is see rape or be a sicko rape apologist seeking professional help. You kind of did that. See it as rape or be a rape defender who needs professional help. However, the rest of message showed that isn’t what you meant as you are being misled by the cyber stalkers here. They are defending the view of rape as they are obsessed with rape and us. That is why they are the rape defenders here. They are forcing their into their pov and spreading misinformation on us to where we have to create a second account all because they are defending their rape pov. Rape defenders don’t define us.

There isnt an issue with ficitonal rape here, theres an issue with how it is treated and presented. For example, if this story ends up with an ending that has Dan and Jaekyung dating it minimises rape into something that can be forgiven in a relationship. Considering Korean rape culture, this is an issue. HOWEVER, if this manhwa doesnt romanticise, sexualise, minimise or dismiss the rape, it is completey okay. Media plays a huge part in rape culture which is why authors need to be careful on how they present it. Individuals romanticising this relationship have personal issues of their own it's morally wrong but you cant control nutters can you? There isnt an issue with someone reading any sort of fiction material as long as it isnt cp, there is an issue with people defending the wrong things though.

The person you replied to has been called a rape defender so i think when you said rape defender they thought you were reffering to them. The term rape defender/apologist is exactly how it sounds though, its a derogatory term for someone who defends rape be it by romanticisation, minimisation, sexualization, dismissal etc. There are rape defenders in this comment section so dont worry you used the term correctly. Being offended by it someones own personal problem since the only people you're criticising are the rape defenders not randos.

Sam. Rape defender doesn’t define me. This has been debunked many times. It is an illogical argument. It does define you.
Also I am explaining in a civil and mature conversation with Kiokio. There is no argument. People can engage in conversation with people on here. People can make friends on here. Everything does not have to be an argument or attacks.


Would you stop cyber stalking me, lying and being overdramatic. Stop being childish and disrespectful.

Sam and toilet are cyber stalkers. I am not a rape defender and only been called rape defender by cyber stalkers. They have no valid opinions.
No one here has dismissed Joo’s actions or white washed him. No one has defended him either.

I was not offended. Lol I was correcting the truth of the situation. See the insecurities? There has to be rape to defend rape. There is no rape in this story. Go educate yourself and read the story carefully. Stop forcing your pov when the story says otherwise. I stand with the story’s POV.

Oh right, people did criticise mingwa for making her story too soft in BJ Alex (kind of unbelievable), i think Korean readers are way more unhinged sometimes..

You are a heavy reacher, clearly. I don't know how you got any probability of me or anyone else on here ever excusing child porn when those jailed in actual prisons, for actual crimes, hate pedophiles to their core to the point of committing murder in front of guards. I have younger siblings and am a heavy supporter of pedophiles killing themselves. And I mean that with every fiber of my being, I couldn't care less if you think every life is precious. Pedophiles should be erased from existence IDC. So I am full taking offense of you relating me, even to make a point across, to child fuckers. What the actual fuck is wrong with you. If you think you did something with that comment, I hope you get help because I know nobody else is thinking of child porn in any of the discussion here, unlike you. Disgusting. That 'community' has nothing to do with the one here. Child porn, fiction or not, is something vastly different in terms of substance, market, and consumers.

For you taking the dig of "its fictional so it's okay", when did I ever say it's okay? Readers of dark and toxic stories know fully well it's dark and toxic. That's why we read it. No one is saying this is something we support and encourage, only that it is entertaining to read, because it is fiction. It's something exciting to some and intriguing to the other. Simply put, it's merely an interest on heavier plots.

You may not like it, clearly, but a lot of people actually find stories like these engaging to read, the same way you like reading lighter stories with a healthier setting. So why are you trying so hard to shame others for reading toxic fiction when they clearly are simply reading and limiting their interests in stories? Why are you taking our interest so personally? Does it affect you in any way? Does a stranger's interest change the trajectory of your personal life? I don't understand why you fully go out of your way to disrupt a community that's quietly reading to themselves.

No one on here is advertising the actions in the story nor are they forcing you to read it. So I don't understand your constant harassment to the people reading this.

Oh, I see. I personally read fictional stories and understand it is fiction so my opinions and beliefs aren't swayed by what I read. But then again, I am an adult. Children and minors of this generation are heavy on social media, so I fully see the problem you are presenting. That is something related but somehow also different to the problem on here, because most of the people on here, I am guessing, are adults? And a lot of people are harassing them for simply enjoying a story that doesn't reflect their beliefs outside the internet, me, being an example. I just hope people enjoy each of their own interests without headbutting each other just being they're on the opposite sides, in terms of genres.

Tmsymz? All i said is that you were called a rape defender, stop reaching so hard i didnt say it was true, my comment was directed at Kiokio stop victimizing yourself in every situation not everthing is an attack at you. Genuinely.

To be clear. Half this message was to Kiokio. The rest wasn’t to Kiokio
The break showed the change but I didn’t stated it.

To be honest...im holding a strong belief that a lot of this website is minors. Not our fault at all but that is why i take it more seriously when i see people fighting for their lives, theres an impressionable audience watching all of us and we need to take a little responsibility for our words. I joined this website when i was a minor, i am an adult now but its safe to say that the amount of kids on this website isnt little. I was atleast at the age of consent but so many are just young middle schoolers.

You’re talking facts. That person could be a child. Their English is whack too(using too much slang).

I hope others would be able to see your point because many have a disability in understanding a context.

I understand what you are trying to say. Basically, you are saying there's no rape, but SA is present, was misunderstood by the others that you are dismissing any SA in the story and is just clarifying that you see the problem but don't agree to the terms they used, which was 'rape'?

I personally do not really give much importance to terms used and mostly just enjoy the flow of the story, so I apologize but I do not share the sentiments in the whole 'rape defenders' fiasco. But I do agree getting stalked and harassed for such a thing is horrible. You should definitely just block them at this point because something like this is not healthy, for you, especially. Nobody should be treated like that in any case whatsoever.

Sam..sam my son i believe you have become a victim of the 'looking too deep into shit' disease. I understand there are insane psychos on this website but kiokios points are very well said and address different issues. Look at things in shades of grey, not everything is black and white. You are still my homeboy ight

Suddenly i became 11

I feared and hope that wasn't the case, but I have an inkling it was. Although I share your beliefs on how minors shouldn't be consuming these kinds of contents, but I also think the way people are 'handling' this is wrong. It should be done in a calm and civilized manner, like how we are doing right now, and not in an aggressive and demoralizing way. That way only incites a negative reaction and worsens both opinions on either sides.

Cant say i havent behaved that way, i mocked quite a few people as soon as i was sure they were adults though i dont think i was aggressive. A little picking never hurts anybody. You're right about it being wrong though, i tend to not take it as seriously anymore and leave it be. As i have reaped all my sows.