He coaxed him with money.. that was my point.. coaxing someone with money is bribing.. btw im not a girl
Arent u guys being toxic tho? Also i dont rly consider what i said toxic as those were genuine questions
How the law defines 'consent'
Under English and Welsh law, someone consents to sex or other sexual activity when they agree to it by choice and have both the freedom and capacity to make that choice.
This means that someone doesn't consent to sex or other sexual activity if they:
Say 'no'.
Seem unsure or upset, stay quiet, move away or don't respond.
Are asleep, unconscious, drunk, drugged or on drugs.
Are pressured, manipulated, tricked or scared into saying 'yes'.
Are too young or vulnerable to have the freedom and capacity to make that choice.
-coped from a rape helpline
He was unsure and upset, he was pressured and kind of manipulated. He was also very visibly scared. And he was completely vulnerable the first time it happened.
See no bc when u said i should stop being toxic i considered that i should be reasonable but litteraly u refuse to understand whats rape even with blatant proof just bc its ur guilty pleasure
But this isnt a story with a deep meaning. Im basing this off of facts and whats infront of us. If court was based on speculation about what the murder was REALLY thinking, and not the fact that the murder killed someone, the world would go to shit. It doesnt matter what anyone thinks the deeper reason was, the author showed us that the main reasoon he acceoted was that he needed money. He had wanted to say no but when the ‘top’ mentioned money he completely froze.. plus isnt that how most immature arguments online work… i wasnt full on degrading u i was just saying u cant see whats infront of u, u choose to forget the facts and both of those together but in a clinical term
You are cherry-picking.
Mind you, I know what rape implies but I don't think it's in this story. It is SA and abuse. I also know what bribing and coaxing means, but it is NOT in this story.
Jk never pressured him, at that time in the beginning, he didn't even know of Dan’s financial crisis. Are talking about the same Jk who paid his grandma’s bills and his debt? Who let him stay in his home to be fed. He never pressured Dan. He said that he didn't need the money and went ahead to replace dan by calling one of his other whores.
Toxic? You are the one being toxic by asking offensive questions. You intended to insult me, don't even deny it. That was toxic. All the explanations on rape and everything you talked about, I'm very familiar with them. I'm not dumb and I can tell if it's rape or not. I'm not defending Jk. I'm defending what the story actually is.
But my point is you not being able to analyze the story well. I thought it was rape at first but I changed my mind when I reread. Dan was suffering, Jk was oblivious.
Dan lied he was experienced, Jk had sex with him with that impression like he normally does with all his sex partners. He is rough during sex like some human beings. Dan consented first, and Jk took the initiative.
Dan said stop but Jk might have mistaken the impression since many think “stop” means “continue” during sex except if they properly indicate that they're actually in pain which Dan didn't do. Don't deny that. Dan said ‘Wait’ and the next he's asking to go gentler. Jk might also not be able to read body language, there are people like that in real life.
Dan never voices his thoughts leaving jk unaware. We see Dan’s thoughts that's why we just assumed that Jk also knows when HE, in fact, doesn't. Jk has indeed stopped when he noticed the discomfort of Dan. He stopped when Dan cried, he gave solutions to make Dan feel better. He pitied Dan but it is Dan who chose to bear it all leaving Jk clueless.
It isn't rape. Jk’s behaviours might be toxic but people are exaggerating his toxicity. Jk’s actions are rough and abusive but haven't you wondered why Jk asked Dan if he was experienced?
I have no intention of arguing with you. Just reread the sex scenes again and observe.
It might look like it, but it isn't.
You're talking about a court?
(Tora’s words)
Yes, Judge, I told him to put it in(chp 3)
Yes, judge, I told him to wait but I asked for him to be gentler after.
It is Abusive and SA, not rape.
SA does not equal rape. Rape is indeed classified under SA but not all forms of SA are considered rape. Keep that in mind.
I hope you read everything and understood my points though. I really want to see your point.
I physically dont think i can read that, but i also dont think this argument is worthwile. Wether or not he knew abt the financial situation he still bribed him. And even if its just sa and abuse that cant be justified just bc he payed his grandmas bills and other stuff. Have a nice day tho, its js ur opinion anyways. Aslong as u arent projecting it into irl i dont have a right to get mad (●'◡'●)ﾉ
I felt guilty abt no reading it when i saw this and decided to read it
I dont have the energy to argue theres alot goin on for me emotionally rn so im experiencing some severe mood swings, thats probably also why i insulted you so badly. Im sorry about that, it was wrong.
When u analyse it like that, it makes sense but as a victim of sa and someone that ended up dating my abuser. My situation back then was similar to dans situation but toned down. Thats why i dont understand how easily ur letting jk off the hook. His cluelessness doesnt change what hes done. My ex abuser was also clueless but that doesnt mean they didnt sexually assault me. If u want to know the similarities continue reading, its kinda a rant but wtv
Dan was bribed with money, my family was going thru a rough patch so i felt guilty abt asking for money and chose to starve instead. She started buying me food and was basically my lifeline.
Dan didnt voice his opinions. Due to my guilt, i didnt either, id just very clearly portray my discomfort
Jk was clueless, my ex abuser was also clueless and didnt seem to understand just how bad they had messed with me
Jk would change up on dan alot, often making him do things he didnt want to/didnt like then acting incredibly nice. My ex would be touching me and other stuff, then would treat me coddle me, pamper me and continuously apologise, making me believe that i was the weird one.
Jk took stop as continue going. When id get annoyed and snap at my ex, theyd take it as a joke and do worse things.
Bc i was in dans shoes once, its just so bewildering to me the things people are saying abt this story. That situation isnt very romantic, its actually highly taxing emotionally and i dended up suicidal and nearly started self harm. At the end of it all, when i thought i had recovered, i was just so consumed by the emptiness and sadness that i overdosed in an attempt to end my life. That happened just this month, but we had broke up last year. Those scars dont heal easily
What?
Jk did not know of Dan’s financial crisis at the beginning when he offered sex. What are you even reading? Jk never bribed him. Never. You are mistaking what happened in the story. I mentioned those parts of him helping Dan to prove that jk is indeed considerate and helpful.
Oh well, have a nice day too.
Omg. I'm so sorry about your past. That must have been horrific! and for you to open up is really brave of you. Your ex didn't love you, that one is for sure but your ex is different from jk. You said you snapped at your ex and he did worse. That's rape. The time Dan snapped at Jk, jk did stop(that part when he got a call from his grandma at the hospital).
Yes, jk is clueless and it doesn't also excuse what he did. Yes, that is true but it isn't also rape. To come to a conclusion, you analyze what it actually is.
I don't also think this story is healthy for you, honestly, I'm sorry I sound blunt but it's the truth, I can recommend some if you'd like though. I can also recommend some movies that could cheer you up. You must have gone through a lot. I hope you're okay now though. You're really brave, that's one thing I appreciate about you. Please don't harm yourself, I didn't know you were a victim. Care for yourself, you are indeed Precious.
And deep down, the people close to you love you so very much they don't want to see you end up harming or killing yourself. You're a rare jewel who should be protected and appreciated. Keep that in mind though.
I hope you also find someone that cares for you and makes you very happy.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHGAHAH
So what I’m seeing is y’all like rapist…? （￣へ￣）