Way to many people lack common sense

See your pov or lack common sense.

There is no rape in this story. What is this about no sa? Why are you lying?

This story is SA and abuse.
I don’t think anyone said SA isn’t shown. I have said it over and over again. Tora has said it.

You can see rape. Stop forcing your pov on others. Stop lying.

https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/

“ Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. ”

Eminem, Coercion is not consent you shrek looking mf. Just say you're into rape stories and move on.

I read rape stories. This is not a rape story.

This is a Disney type story.

Here are stories with rape.

Hogu Hagyeongsu - rape
Kiraide Isasete - rape (maybe this one should be removed)
Caste haven - rape
Mob for Jack - rape
Maki-chan wa Kare to Sex Shitai - rape
falling alpha enigma the fourth bath - rape
harami bara - rape
abarenbo_honey - rape
Under grand hotel - rape

You have your opinion, I have my opinion. Stick to yours, I stick to mine. Don't attack and inject insults into people just because they don't agree with you.

Instead of being immature why don't you give your points on why it is rape?

No one lacks common sense but YOU for failing to point out facts and allow people to understand you. Thanks.

u literally just proved my point- u and many others lack common sense. So for me to make u understand my point better i'll turn it into a peel paragraph.

In 'Jinx', there is an excessive amount of SA and rape, predominantly shown at the very beginning of the manhwa. Firstly, we are introduced to Dan who is a SA survivor who is uncomfortable with the very concept of sex due to a traumatic experience when at work with a higher up whilst also the fact that he is of someone from a lower social class in Korea- he lives below the poverty line making him an extremely vulnerable individual that actually contributes to the severity of a rape case. In chapter 3, Jaekyung, who at this point is Dan's patient, asks Dan late at night to come to his house to prepare him for a match the next day- at this point Dan doesn't know what Jaekyung really means so he is met at a discomfort when Jaekyung begs for sex in exchange for money and at this point Dan was to scared to give in because he's uncomfortable having sex because obviously he hasn't recovered from SA yet even when he agrees, he's still not interested and tries to stall time but Jaekyung just happily does whatever he wants without consideration. This situation would be easily classified as rape as Jaekyung, someone of a higher social class is taking advantage of someone from that of a lower class than him even though it's clear that Dan does not want it at all but has to because of his situation but even then he shows behaviour of not wanting it and Jaekyung not caring about how Dan feels even though again he doesn't want to go through it but Jaekyung just forces himself on Dan and does whatever he wants and we clearly see that Dan is in pain and wants him to stop and literally telling him that. One thing many people don't really understand about rape is that it's not just someone forcing themselves on another person, it's simply as both parties not wanting it equally. For example, treating sex like an unwarranted transaction- it's literally stated in the website u linked me if actually read it properly; "Force can also be when one person coerces another with emotional or psychological force"- taking advantage of one's financial situation or using materialistic goods would be an example of this, rape is a deeper situation than u might think same as many others so please actually do ur research I beg, but till then I still gonna say people like u lack common sense.

Have a goodnight

read my response to tmsmyz, it's a long paragraph but u should it cause like I said u people lack common sense.

Rape is more than just forcing someone down but both parties not equally wanting sex, and the one party not being considerate of the other party's feelings when the party is not at all interested in having sex. this is literally shown in chapter 3&4 so just do ur research- until then i'm still gonna say u people lack common sense

Be respectful to others. Stop forcing your pov on others.
If you think it is rape stop degrading the other side. We can be civil. Seek professional help if you think harming others is entertaining.

It is not your pov or be lack common sense. You can’t be civil and have a conversation with us. You feel threatened your pov is challenging.

“ u literally just proved my point- u and many others lack common sense. So for me to make u understand my point better i'll turn it into a peel paragraph.”

I literally didn’t proved anything. And if it is your pov or lack common sense I am not reading anymore cyber bullying comments. You are added to my list and blocked.

Your opinion is irrelevant due to cyber bullying. There is no rape in this story. Rape is your pov. Have common sense and respect others. We could had been civil and has a conversation. But you harassed and insulted. You lost.

Read my comment first.

Hey, I'm coming. I'm gathering my points. Don't think I don't have a comeback. Just a minute. Thanks.

Sweetie, for your own good please just block them. You can say the sky is blue and they'll still argue about that. You wrote very valid points in this but you just can't communicate with a wall after all. <3

Do you think it is worth it?
TMSM considered them of the cyber bullies/ Trolls.
The use of Dan’s background information and social class was used.
The use of Dan’s traumatic attempt rape ignoring how Dan acted and not comparing Dan’s actions.
The use of Dan’s thoughts and feelings.
The use of higher/lower class.


.”Jaekyung begs for sex” begs?

“Jaekyung just happily does whatever he wants without consideration. “ doesn’t read carefully

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This situation would be easily classified as rape as Jaekyung,” opinion

I”t's clear that Dan does not want it at all”. Is it to Joo?

“Jaekyung not caring about how Dan feels”. Completely misses chapter 4 when Dan is crying. this

“Jaekyung just forces himself on Dan and does whatever he wants”. Can I this version of this story? This is biased.
“we clearly see that Dan is in pain and wants him to stop and literally telling him that.” Key word WE.

I am a rape crisis counselor. The one thing about rape that was added was unnecessary here to say to TMSM.

I see a person biased in opinion, using facts that is irrelevant to make a point, taking the story out of context, making Jaekyung worst than he is, and degrading others who don’t see this as rape.

“if actually read it properly;” This only fit one scene. Jaekyung never “took advantage of one's financial situation or using materialistic goods.”

This is a deeper story than they think and if They actually do research and read the story they would understand it is not rape. By using Dan’s thoughts and background with other irrelevant facts that is not known to Jaekyung or if you were in the room then taken it out of context. They know they have no argument. That was a biased opinion piece.

Consented can be give and take away. It can be given and taken away not once but multiple times.


“it hurts Stop don’t …..” and at that moment makes it rape! I thought it was rape on my first reading than I read chapter 4
In chapter 4, Joo STOPS because he is CONCERNED.
“Are you crying over that? I barely put it in. “
“No, that’s not why, you just startled me”
Dan could had said he wanted to stop. He could had said I don’t want to. He did not. To Joo or anyone that would be a green light. Joo could had asked but he is toxic.
Dan says “no I can do it.” right after. He consented again.

He says “no” again. He stopped consented. Joo stopped if you pay attention.
Joo started without asking this is when we learn he thinks he is with an experience man and not an inexperienced virgin (but inexperienced virgin is details from thought bubbles). Joo is clueless because most men would had know at that point.
Joo starts again. Dan will ask him to go a little gentler.
Dan consented again.
FYI: I am straight man who was asked to analyze this by a friend. I am a rape crisis counselor. This story is toxic. I have no opinion about it. Just before you made weird arguments to justify your pov.

Just facts.

I'm going to ignore your unsightly comment in the first paragraph. That was rather unnecessary and thoughtless.

Anyway, my points;

I completely get what you're saying, hundred percent understand. I understand that consent can never be when it is coerced. Very true. I understand was rape is but it is NOT in this story. How?

You are forgetting that Dan LIED that he was experienced. That is also a loss on his part. In chapter 2, jk lured Dan to come to his home which was wrong and I admit, I'm not defending the guy. Dan found out that jk was gay for sleeping with men and when the whore insulted jk, jk smashed the guy’s head because he doesn't play with his jinx and the championship. And then jk led Dan to his room and analyses Dan. I'm sure in his mind and his expression at that moment, he thought dan was attractive. When Dan starts with the physical therapy, Jk explains to Dan about his jinx and Dan found that embarrassing but he didn't judge the guy. Until jk admits that he wants SEX with Dan. That's when Dan freaks out entirely. Dan refuses saying he couldn't do such that he was here for only the therapy then jk gets blunt with the whole situation and it triggers Dan to rethink over jk’s offer. Jk was calm, his intention wasn't to threaten him and i confirmed it from here when he says,

“I guess you don't need that 5,000 grand then.” Jk goes to grab his phone to call one of his other whores he can fuck to replace Dan. Dan then rethinks and finally decides to accept the offer because money was all he needed.

Mind you, JK did NOT know about the financial situation Dan was in. This point proves Dan consented the first time without any form of THREAT or COERCION.

Note: an agreement is an agreement, backing out is annoying especially when you and your partner had already concluded.

-chapter 3, By the time Dan agrees, jk asks Dan if he has experience, he didn't have to lie but he chose to, why? Because it was embarrassing to admit that he was a virgin at such age? No. He said it not with that intention, but just to lie( read it carefully) And Jk says,

“Since you're experienced, I guess I don't need to go EASY on you then”

That's when the roughness starts and Dan says “One second!” and jk DID stop(this also proves that he isn't inhuman and does cares about dan’s feelings-also proves he's not a rapist). Dan then says he needs to wash off the oil from him or something(cant remember). In the showers, Dan rethinks and starts to have second thoughts-after he had agreed? He knew jk would have found that quite annoying and the fact that he had consented first was also a dead one on his part. Jk then forces Dan out of the bathroom because he was in the bath for over an hour and it was quite late for jk to be having sex presuming he had to sleep well and be lively for the match. Dan knew this, HE is NOT a child.

Dan sees jk’s massive size and starts freaking out and simply says “I can't do it” and in his thoughts he also said “if he puts that thing inside me, I might die” which is understandable. Jk gets annoyed because they had come this far and says out of annoyance, “you think this is funny? You think I'm some sort of joke? If you waste my time like that last guy did don't expect to be sent home safe and sound” Jk’s intention was never to threaten him. He simply needed a fuck and Dan was being weird and unserious about it when he had agreed. Jk found that extremely annoying because he doesn't play with his jinx and dan was simply wasting his time especially when he had said that he was experienced.

Dan feels threatened but you can't say “Jk threatened and forced Dan” look at the expressions of them carefully in that chapter and then analyse the dialogues. Dan then says in his thoughts, “Right, I had already agreed. I can do this. It's the money afterall” He consented a second time and says “ but if you just put it in like that I think it's going to tear” and jk considers this, sighs and tells him “you can get yourself ready then” another point that proves he isn't a rapist.

He even adds “ This is your last chance, no more Mr nice guy after this” He specifies that it was Dan’s last chance and he even decides to add again, “If even this is too much for you, then just GET THE FUCK OUT.”

Lmao.

That is another point that proves that he notified and made Dan aware of it, he gacmve dan an opportunity to leave that specific moment but no, Dan still chose to stay because of the MONEY. Thank you, thank you very much.

When dan finally consents, jk adds, “You tell me to put it in and then clench up so tight I can't even do it.” Another point that proves he isn't a rapist. Dan lied that he was experienced and jk was unaware of the lie.

He even adds, “You think this is funny, don't say one thing and then do another.” My God how do you people not see this?

Jk then pushes in completely which leaves dan shaken, jk notices how dan was shaking and turns the guy to see he was crying and then says, “What the...are you crying? Over that? I barely even put it in.” All his sex partners must have been experienced, so he clearly assumed that Dan would also take it well.

Dan himself then says, “N-no, that's not...why...y-you just...startled me.” That was what dan said and jk says “Good grief” Another point that he is in fact considerate and doesn't does what he wants. He even adds with a neutral expression, “Youre not gonna start whining again, are you?” he said this not in a way to mock him but to be sure that he was okay.

And then dan says, “ n-no I can do this” and jk does his rough behaviour because Dan was sulking and it was making Jk annoyed and anxious, jk then drags Dan by the hair and says, “then at least breath properly” another point that he cares for the dude and has human sympathy. But he was still oblivious to the way Dan was trying to endure. He didn't know.

Just because it looks like it, doesn't mean it is. An action can look like rape and the next changes it completely. It might look like it but their dialogues, expressions and reactions changes it entirely.

I hope we can finally understand each other. And know that, assuming Dan did not lie that he was experienced, we all know things could have turned out differently because I mean why did jk ask Dan in the first place if he was experienced? He wanted to know if he could treat him like one of his whores and dan gave that consent so he has face it and take it because he approved of it just because of the money.

Jk did not coerce Dan, look at it from his part and understand both of their povs. The reason why you all are seeing jk as a monster is because most of it is in Dan’s pov.

Jk has helped dan in many ways, paid all his debts, accompanies and even has a gist with his grandma thereby making a good talk with her, he saves Dan from those Loan sharks( the real rapists), he allows dan to live in his house, he feeds and let's him have all he wants and all he asked for and needed was sex, NOT RAPE.

Anyone who isn't able to understand this points clearly has a disability in reading and understanding a context.

Thanks, please give your points to oppose, thanks for your patience.

Maybe. I hope so

I really hope you read everything through, I just want to understand you. I swear it. I'm not a rape apologist, no one is here and any one who is should seek help immediately. No one is defending jk, jk is just an asshole NOT a rapist.

Please let's understand each other professionally thanks.

I have not read the new comments. I forgot to add

Rape is not sex. Joo wants sex. If you think rape is sex. Seek professional help now.

There are a few rape apologists. The ones deny Rose is a rape survivor.

The ones that deny her being one- do need to seek help.

Who is defending JK? They claim that but I have not seen anyone defend him.

Ohh I can identify them. Such terrible people.

Also be aware that Dan doesn't even VOICE his thoughts leaving jk oblivious.

Thank you! And good day!

"Dan doesn't voice his thoughts