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Your pov is it rape. If you pay attention to the details the story does not share your pov, whether you like it or not.

You can see it as rape but that is your opinion. It is your opinion. The fact is the story has no rape. Let’s call it want it is. Don’t force me into your pov when I know the story says otherwise. It is SA and abuse. Dan consented and agreed to a contract. Get all the details. Stop cherry picking to your pov.

I think I need to start being like this.

I am a bit defensive. I been a victim of cyber bullying for like 3 -4 days now.

So yes “ please can you explain further on why you saw rape in Jinx. I really and genuinely want to understand and I hope we can converse professionally.”

And we will explain how it is not

https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/

“ Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. ”

Sure, firstly let put the definition of rape according to The Practical Guide to Humanitarian Law:

"Rape is the act of obliging an individual to have sexual intercourse against his or her will, using force, violence, or any other form of coercion. It is considered a felony in the criminal law systems of most countries. Rape may occur between people of the same sex, as well as of opposite sexes."

So, when I'm saying Joo is rapist it is based off not only most countries definition of rape. But also international law. Now, I'll demonstrate a few instances where he rapes mc.

Firstly, in chapter 3, after mc was panicking in the shower, Joo drags mc out of the shower and throws him on bed. When mc states, he can't do it, Joo says in response and I quote:

"If you waste my time like the last little bitch, don't expect to be sent home safe and sound."

Referring to when in chapter to 2, when he slammed the guy he was sleeping with against the wall and threatened to harm him if he doesn't leave.

Not only does Mc saying he can't do suffice enough as example of Joo raping him. Joo threatening him falls right under international definition of rape under the "using corceion" clause.

Throughout the experience, mc internally mentions he hates it and wants it to be over quick. He also frequently mentions that it hurts and he wants it to stop - that doesn't sound like a willing participant at all.

To put the nail in the coffin, Joo threatens mc with violence again saying he will smash his head in if he keeps testing his patience. He also uses physical force in this scene.

Note: I could also mention how in two chapters before, how Joo basically called the mc to come to his house and "work" overtime, luring him with false pretenses which is very dubious in its own right. That alone isn't necessarily rape, but when combined with what happened in chapter, it is extremely rapey.

Sure, firstly let put the definition of rape according to The Practical Guide to Humanitarian Law:

"Rape is the act of obliging an individual to have sexual intercourse against his or her will, using force, violence, or any other form of coercion. It is considered a felony in the criminal law systems of most countries. Rape may occur between people of the same sex, as well as of opposite sexes."

So, when I'm saying Joo is rapist it is based off not only most countries definition of rape. But also international law. Now, I'll demonstrate a few instances where he rapes mc.

Firstly, in chapter 3, after mc was panicking in the shower, Joo drags mc out of the shower and throws him on bed. When mc states, he can't do it, Joo says in response and I quote:

"If you waste my time like the last little bitch, don't expect to be sent home safe and sound."

Referring to when in chapter to 2, when he slammed the guy he was sleeping with against the wall and threatened to harm him if he doesn't leave.

Not only does Mc saying he can't do suffice enough as example of Joo raping him. Joo threatening him falls right under international definition of rape under the "using corceion" clause.

Throughout the experience, mc internally mentions he hates it and wants it to be over quick. He also frequently mentions that it hurts and he wants it to stop - that doesn't sound like a willing participant at all.

To put the nail in the coffin, Joo threatens mc with violence again saying he will smash his head in if he keeps testing his patience. He also uses physical force in this scene.

Note: I could also mention how in two chapters before, how Joo basically called the mc to come to his house and "work" overtime, luring him with false pretenses which is very dubious in its own right. That alone isn't necessarily rape, but when combined with what happened in chapter, it is extremely rapey.

Sure, firstly let put the definition of rape according to The Practical Guide to Humanitarian Law:

"Rape is the act of obliging an individual to have sexual intercourse against his or her will, using force, violence, or any other form of coercion. It is considered a felony in the criminal law systems of most countries. Rape may occur between people of the same sex, as well as of opposite sexes."

So, when I'm saying Joo is rapist it is based off not only most countries definition of rape. But also international law. Now, I'll demonstrate a few instances where he rapes mc.

Firstly, in chapter 3, after mc was panicking in the shower, Joo drags mc out of the shower and throws him on bed. When mc states, he can't do it, Joo says in response and I quote:

"If you waste my time like the last little bitch, don't expect to be sent home safe and sound."

Referring to when in chapter to 2, when he slammed the guy he was sleeping with against the wall and threatened to harm him if he doesn't leave.

Not only does Mc saying he can't do suffice enough as example of Joo raping him. Joo threatening him falls right under international definition of rape under the "using corceion" clause.

Throughout the experience, mc internally mentions he hates it and wants it to be over quick. He also frequently mentions that it hurts and he wants it to stop - that doesn't sound like a willing participant at all.

To put the nail in the coffin, Joo threatens mc with violence again saying he will smash his head in if he keeps testing his patience. He also uses physical force in this scene.

Note: I could also mention how in two chapters before, how Joo basically called the mc to come to his house and "work" overtime, luring him with false pretenses which is very dubious in its own right. That alone isn't necessarily rape, but when combined with what happened in chapter, it is extremely rapey.

So you're saying the first scene is rape or the full story and all the scenes is rape. Rectify please.

So I can also give my points. Thanks.

I'm talking about the first scene at the moment

At the moment? I don't get.

So you only see rape in the first scene right?

I'm saying I'm just talking about the first scene at the moment, not the whole series. Especially since I dropped it around chapter 10. But I don't see how me talking about the beginning changes anything since my entire point is that Joo is rapist.

“I read rape stories” umm why would someone read stories like that? You’ve established that this story isn't a “rape story” and thats not what people are saying. Their just talking about the fact that just because the character is attractive or some shit like that, it doesn’t mean they should be forgiven for their actions. Thats the end, if you don’t understand something so simple as that or don’t agree then don't comment because ur just annoying at this point. And reading rape stories isn't something cool, just keep ur random kinks to yourself. Why name stories like that to “educate a person on what rape looks like” you could have just put the definition of the word thats it, its even gross that you know so many stories like that.

Thank you mane

Hello, I hope you really read everything. I know it's super long but I really and genuinely want to understand you. Please thanks.

Anyway, my points;

I completely get what you're saying, hundred percent understand. I understand that consent can never be when it is coerced. Very true. I understand was rape is but it is NOT in this story. How?

You are forgetting that Dan LIED that he was experienced. That is also a loss on his part. In chapter 2, jk lured Dan to come to his home which was wrong and I admit, I'm not defending the guy. Dan found out that jk was gay for sleeping with men and when the whore insulted jk, jk smashed the guy’s head because he doesn't play with his jinx and the championship. And then jk led Dan to his room and analyses Dan. I'm sure in his mind and his expression at that moment, he thought dan was attractive. When Dan starts with the physical therapy, Jk explains to Dan about his jinx and Dan found that embarrassing but he didn't judge the guy. Until jk admits that he wants SEX with Dan. That's when Dan freaks out entirely. Dan refuses saying he couldn't do such that he was here for only the therapy then jk gets blunt with the whole situation and it triggers Dan to rethink over jk’s offer. Jk was calm, his intention wasn't to threaten him and i confirmed it from here when he says,

“I guess you don't need that 5,000 grand then.” Jk goes to grab his phone to call one of his other whores he can fuck to replace Dan. Dan then rethinks and finally decides to accept the offer because money was all he needed.

Mind you, JK did NOT know about the financial situation Dan was in. This point proves Dan consented the first time without any form of THREAT or COERCION.

Note: an agreement is an agreement, backing out is annoying especially when you and your partner had already concluded.

-chapter 3, By the time Dan agrees, jk asks Dan if he has experience, he didn't have to lie but he chose to, why? Because it was embarrassing to admit that he was a virgin at such age? No. He said it not with that intention, but just to lie( read it carefully) And Jk says,

“Since you're experienced, I guess I don't need to go EASY on you then”

That's when the roughness starts and Dan says “One second!” and jk DID stop(this also proves that he isn't inhuman and does cares about dan’s feelings-also proves he's not a rapist). Dan then says he needs to wash off the oil from him or something(cant remember). In the showers, Dan rethinks and starts to have second thoughts-after he had agreed? He knew jk would have found that quite annoying and the fact that he had consented first was also a dead one on his part. Jk then forces Dan out of the bathroom because he was in the bath for over an hour and it was quite late for jk to be having sex presuming he had to sleep well and be lively for the match. Dan knew this, HE is NOT a child.

Dan sees jk’s massive size and starts freaking out and simply says “I can't do it” and in his thoughts he also said “if he puts that thing inside me, I might die” which is understandable. Jk gets annoyed because they had come this far and says out of annoyance, “you think this is funny? You think I'm some sort of joke? If you waste my time like that last guy did don't expect to be sent home safe and sound” Jk’s intention was never to threaten him. He simply needed a fuck and Dan was being weird and unserious about it when he had agreed. Jk found that extremely annoying because he doesn't play with his jinx and dan was simply wasting his time especially when he had said that he was experienced.

Dan feels threatened but you can't say “Jk threatened and forced Dan” look at the expressions of them carefully in that chapter and then analyse the dialogues. Dan then says in his thoughts, “Right, I had already agreed. I can do this. It's the money afterall” He consented a second time and says “ but if you just put it in like that I think it's going to tear” and jk considers this, sighs and tells him “you can get yourself ready then” another point that proves he isn't a rapist.

He even adds “ This is your last chance, no more Mr nice guy after this” He specifies that it was Dan’s last chance and he even decides to add again, “If even this is too much for you, then just GET THE FUCK OUT.”

Lmao.

That is another point that proves that he notified and made Dan aware of it, he gacmve dan an opportunity to leave that specific moment but no, Dan still chose to stay because of the MONEY. Thank you, thank you very much.

When dan finally consents, jk adds, “You tell me to put it in and then clench up so tight I can't even do it.” Another point that proves he isn't a rapist. Dan lied that he was experienced and jk was unaware of the lie.

He even adds, “You think this is funny, don't say one thing and then do another.” My God how do you people not see this?

Jk then pushes in completely which leaves dan shaken, jk notices how dan was shaking and turns the guy to see he was crying and then says, “What the...are you crying? Over that? I barely even put it in.” All his sex partners must have been experienced, so he clearly assumed that Dan would also take it well.

Dan himself then says, “N-no, that's not...why...y-you just...startled me.” That was what dan said and jk says “Good grief” Another point that he is in fact considerate and doesn't does what he wants. He even adds with a neutral expression, “Youre not gonna start whining again, are you?” he said this not in a way to mock him but to be sure that he was okay.

And then dan says, “ n-no I can do this” and jk does his rough behaviour because Dan was sulking and it was making Jk annoyed and anxious, jk then drags Dan by the hair and says, “then at least breath properly” another point that he cares for the dude and has human sympathy. But he was still oblivious to the way Dan was trying to endure. He didn't know.

Just because it looks like it, doesn't mean it is. An action can look like rape and the next changes it completely. It might look like it but their dialogues, expressions and reactions changes it entirely.

I hope we can finally understand each other. And know that, assuming Dan did not lie that he was experienced, we all know things could have turned out differently because I mean why did jk ask Dan in the first place if he was experienced? He wanted to know if he could treat him like one of his whores and dan gave that consent so he has face it and take it because he approved of it just because of the money.

Jk did not coerce Dan, look at it from his part and understand both of their povs. The reason why you all are seeing jk as a monster is because most of it is in Dan’s pov.

Jk has helped dan in many ways, paid all his debts, accompanies and even has a gist with his grandma thereby making a good talk with her, he saves Dan from those Loan sharks( the real rapists), he allows dan to live in his house, he feeds and let's him have all he wants and all he asked for and needed was sex, NOT RAPE.

Anyone who isn't able to understand this points clearly has a disability in reading and understanding a context.

Thanks, please give your points to oppose, thanks for your patience.

Dan lying that he was experienced doesn't change the fact that Joo raped him. Throughout the entire experience, Dan is not only wanting the whole ordeal to be over, he later has nightmares because of what happened to him which is common for people who have been raped / sa.

You also mentioned that Dan says he can do this and that Joo didn't use corceion, but he physically threatened to harm twice during that scene. And Dan before the rape scene happened, knows that Joo will get physical with someone if he is angry. So, I think you are ignoring a huge part of subtext here which frames the scene.

Communication is more than just what a person says, it is their body language and other non-verbal cues. Someone can say they are "doing okay" while they are literally crying and have a bruise - obviously that person isn't okay.

Likewise, Dan may say "he can do this" but he is both crying during this, told Joo that he couldn't do it with him and told him to stop and wait multiple times. But Joo just did it anyway. He wasn't ignorant, he just didn't care. Dan told him he didn't want to do it anymore and Joo responding by threatening physical harm (TWICE may i add) - that is enough to say it is rape.


You mentioned that we should look at him from both pov, but that is pretty irrelevant since looking at Joo pov doesn't change what he did. For example, if you stab someone, looking at it from perspective of person who did the stabbing doesn't change that someone is stabbed.

Likewise, looking at it from Joo perspective doesn't change the fact that Dan told Joo that he no longer wanted to do it - that he changed his mind but Joo threatened him and proceeded to do it anyway.

You didn't read what I said well.

Dan lying that he was experienced has EVERY thing to do with how jk treated him. It has EVERYTHING to do with it. DO NOT IGNORE THAT.

Joo didn't threaten Dan! You didn't read what I said. Jk did not even “mean” to threaten him likewise, he didn't even know his words came as a threat to someone who claimed to be experienced. DO NOT IGNORE THST ALSO.

You're talking about communication but the author did not WRITE and DRAW it that way. Body language? jk noticed every little action of Dan but it is Dan who chose to lie that he was okay, ensuring himself that he was only doing this because he needed the money.

Jk noticed how Dan cried but Dan claimed that jk just startled him! Jk was clearly oblivious if go noticed how the author drew and wrote it. There are people who fail to identify body language in real life. It's just like when a person cannot know when they are making another person uncomfortable except if that person indicates it or lie about it!

Jk cared and if you're saying otherwise then everyone on earth doesn't have human sympathy.

Looking at something from both povs can NEVER be irrelevant. Goodness, are you this wicked? I can't believe you just compared stabbing to something that isn't even RAPE.

Yes judge, I told him to put it in
Yes judge I agreed to the contract.
Yes judge he didn't mean to threaten me because he gave me an opportunity to leave afterwards.

Once again, you failed to read well and are ignoring many dialogues in the story.

If this was to be investigated, all actions and occurrences would be highly considered but you fail to notice and decide to ignore just because they proved your point wrong.

Once again, jk cannot see Dan’s thoughts. WE, the readers SEE IT. That's why you all say it's rape because of Dan’s thoughts. And also, many scenes are written in Dan’s pov that's why you all see jk as a complete monster.

Jk is an asshole but he isn't a rapist. Keep that in mind.

You also talk about how experience doesn't change it. My dear, it does completely because jk specifically asked Dan if he was experienced. Have you wondered why jk asked?? We all know that if Dan didn't lie, things would have turned out differently. Bffr.