Not disagreeing with you but just gonna point out that him making no move to any decision Wooseo may potentially make IS the manipulation tactic. Push and pull. Both Jiseok and Jigeon continue to manipulate Wooseo in their perspective way.
However that may be, I still don't think Jigeon is the "big bad." An opportunity arose and he took it. The early bird gets the worm.
you're so delusional holy shit. "he manipulated the situations but people still made their own choices" clearly you don't understand what manipulation actually is. jigeon is the big bad of this story, he's a toxic person through and through. and how is jiseok only realizing his feelings after he found out wooseo liked his brother bad? this is a very very common thing that happens not only in stories but in real life too. and jiseok wasnt trying to manipulate anybody he was straight forward about wanting wooseo to remove his ring and it didnt even work anyway. i wish he could have actually helped wooseo out of this 'relationship' but clearly thats not what the author wants for them.
manipulation is making someone think the choice they're making is their decision when you've been pulling their strings behind their back. asking questions or begging is just asking questions and begging. not manipulation. i fear jiseok might be the only sane character left in this story. he can clearly see how manipulative and toxic his brother is and isnt being affected by any magical ring or other manipulation tactics.
First of all eat a dick y'all be way to comfortable coming on here insulting people cause you don't agree with what they said cause you 100% are only speaking like that because idk you it's definitely giving loser hiding behind a screen saying stuff anonymously because it won't have consequences next time you feel the need to come comment under someone else's comment that doesn't have shit to do with you how about you watch your mouth and act like you have some sense first and second of all I never said Jigeon was a better option my point was that Jiseok was extremely manipulative and yet majority of the audience is overlooking that because "he was his bestfriend" and "Wooseo liked him first"but begging and crying after someone makes it clear they don't know what they want and are confused and going behind someone's back to try to force them to remove their ring even though you KNOW they are not ready IS manipulation which is why he is no better than Jigeon he was actively trying to force Wooseo to choose him because he realized he had feelings for him without actually listening and allowing things to flow naturally and Jigeon has literally told Wooseo EVERYTHING and allowed him to choose if he would accept him and that's the one thing that separates him and Jiseok that no matter what he was doing he always allowed Wooseo to choose Jigeon was not even trying to give Wooseo a choice he was trying to make him choose him and was extremely pushy about it neither are innocent but Jigeon definitely isn't the big evil in this they both are bad
The thing is we are in complete agreeance my comment is not saying Jigeon DIDNT manipulate him it's that he manipulated the time of events taking place and one time he manipulated the actual event happening but the choices Wooseo made were not something he controlled sure he had a good idea of the outcome but he let things play out he wasn't the one making any of those choices that was always Wooseo and Jiseok for instance when he had the lady come over Jiseok completely fawning over her was his own choice though the circumstances were manipulated for that to happen he willingly wanted to show her that attention no one forced him to do that I'm not saying he's right because at the end of the day he was still being manipulative I'm saying that he at least told Wooseo in the end and have him the choice on if he wanted to accept him where Jigeon was literally trying to force a kiss on him begging him while he confused and not in the right headspace and going behind his back to force him to remove the ring and yet somehow everyone acts like Jigeon is the worse option when they are both bad in their own ways
LMFAO all i said was you're delusional calm tf down. jiseok being immature doesn't make him a bad person. jigeon being extremely manipulative the entire time does!! confessing after getting so far does not excuse that and in my eyes is just another manipulation tactic he's using. jiseok wasn't manipulative, i think you need to look up what that word means. and i'm not saying he never did anything bad, but he wasn't manipulative. and he's not even close to being as bad as jigeon.
Not really though?? We do agree Jigeon isn't the worst because like I said, the early bird gets the worm. He's just using everything in his arsenal to get what he wants at this point (even if that may be manipulative). We do agree him being manipulative isn't exactly "right" per se. But that's where our common ground stops. You're saying he didn't manipulate Wooseo's decisions. I'm saying he in fact DID. Everything. All the way down to when he came clean.
He 'pushed' very hard, so when Jiseok came around to do his own thing and exposed him, Jigeon 'pulled' back and let things play out. He already set all the traps (including the examples you made about the girl etc). Therefore letting Wooseo make his "decisions" is just part of it. That whole act of letting everyone else seem like they have a choice in the matter IS how he manipulates. He never truly stopped. Him saying he was fine with Wooseo's decision to cut the ring? Manipulation. He's not fine, he's just saying it so Wooseo feels bad about actually doing it. He's literally still molding Wooseo's emotions and it worked.
although we don't agree on the first bit, thank you for explaining his manipulation so well!
And all I said was eat a dick you clown I don't even care to to read the rest of your response because at the end of the day you could make your own comment to state how you feel the same way I did instead you come under mine saying shit that you are most likely too scared to say publicly because you're a loser who clearly has a complex where you think having a differing opinion gives you the right to insult others anonymously without reason get a life and go breathe some fresh air
I can see can what you mean I just see it differently but I think what you said definitely makes sense
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I can't be reading the same story as you all because there's no way you guys really think Jiseok is the better option when his "feelings" for Wooseo basically only came out when he realized he was into his brother there was no time before him just trying to spite Jigeon that he showed any romantic interest in Wooseo and he literally was trying to manipulate and force Wooseo into choosing him on multiple occasions and Jigeon has not ONCE forced or manipulated anybody to make the choices they made everything they did was of their own volition he just manipulated the circumstances in which situations happened but he never manipulated their actions he let everything play out naturally and accepted whatever the outcome was EVERY TIME even when Wooseo was questioning removing the ring he made no move to stop him so how are you coming to the conclusion that he's the big bad in this story