“ Everyone who disagrees with you isnt a troll man,”
I wished they would understand how that is false.
Everyone who trolls anyone is a troll.
In no way, shape, or form am I saying someone who disagrees with me is a troll. This is about harassment and trolling others. I can’t believe they keep saying this.
Granted Toilet hasn’t been in this harassment situation until today ( that I am aware). I included him because how he treated Tora and Mi Amore from before and these other two could be second accounts. Purky did admit to it. Sarcasm? We will never know.
So how is calling someone a rape apologist, a disagreement? How is calling someone who is sharing and talking to you a troll or AI, a disagreement?
It wasn’t the disagreement.
Therefore, I am calling a troll a troll.
Not sure how to take toilet’s bit about me but I was acting like the trolls at times. So make sure you judge me for me and not when I was acting like two of them.
Oh! Toilet, if those are not his second accounts, maybe someone who needs to learn boundaries and respect instead of being a trolling. We will never know the truth here.
Purky, Sir, and toilet are trolls. They have been trying to troll me and my friends for a few days and won’t move on.
Purky has admitted to messing with Tora.
They all will lie, insult you, and other troll things. They are probably the same person.
Dude. Quit copy and pasting shit. Grown adults can form their own opinion on us and our takes on the story, they don't need you flooding the comments to tell them how to think, and it's your opinion frankly if you think we're ''trolls''.
It's also annoying, knock it off. And again and again: people who disagree with you are not trolls. Why do you care so much still?
Thanks for clarifying for me at least; I didn't remember what happened with his boss apparently.
I don't analyze every aspect of every panel (or stories in general) so I'm really just trying to get through this to see the end
Dan definitely needs friends; Potato was first jealous of him but he might be a good supportive person, and maybe blondie (dunno his name) can add some support to the mix.
Totally agree with you.
“ Everyone who disagrees with you isnt a troll man,”
I wished they would understand how that is false. -Tmsmyz 30/07/23
BOY AINT NO WAY BOY
Also yes all these accounts are me thats why im in 7 different time zones at the same time
Ah i seriously shouldnt have replied, im sorry i was mocking you in that comment Tmsmyz. I can see we wont cime to an agreement so i wont contact you again after this. Have a good day god bless.
Sir donewith,
This is not a disagreement. Stop calling this a disagreement. Stop being a pos!
Stop saying “ people who disagree with you are not trolls.”
Let me talk slowly.
That
Is
Not
What
Is
Happening
Here.
This
Is
Not
A
Fucking
Disagreeing
Over
Your
Precious
Claim
There
Be
Rape
In
The
Story!
This is about the harassment of Rose and Mi Amore and whoever voiced the opposite of your previous shitty view and was attacked for it. They have to be forced into your fucking view or be a rape apologist, needing professional help.
How in the fucking world is that a disagreement? It is nothing to do with an opinion or fictional gay porn. It is not a disagreement. It is just pure nonsense harassment because someone had a different opinion from them.
Everyone who trolls anyone is a troll.
In no way, shape, or form am I saying someone who disagrees with me is a troll. This is about harassment and trolling others. I can’t believe they keep saying this. I kept redirecting you to the fucking truth. Is it too much or do you understand plain English?
Stop being a pos or a joke. You are not troll. Stop calling this a “disagreement”. Seek professional help if you think attacking others for a different opinion is a disagreement.
I will keep telling the truth about your fucking lies and the threads don’t support you. How about stop lying and shut the fuck up. You are only stirring shit with lies.
Sorry but I never remember harassing anyone? Keep coping lmao. No one cares and I don't need support and validation like you do, knock it off.
bye bye cutie, hope you get over me soon, because I am defo not worth your oh so precious time
“Sorry but I never remember harassing anyone?”
Hahaha. You have been harassing us and taking words out of context.
“Keep coping lmao.” Harassment
“No one cares”. OMG no way. That has been clear or we wouldn’t be here. You would had admitted you are wrong and this drama wouldn’t happened.
“ and I don't need support and validation like you do, knock it off.” Stop smoking, it is bad for your health. Maybe then you can understand a conversation. That is harassment.
“bye bye cutie, hope you get over me soon, because I am defo not worth your oh so precious time”. More harassment
Who are you again? No one here left an impression on me. I have talked more on here. It is clear that Tora left an impression on everyone more than I.
sorry everything is harassment to you, get better soon.
peace out
Keep calling out the truth. They will get it …..eventually.
Mi Amore
Sorry I will get to all your comments, I've just been working like I'm kim Dan in debt minus the sex work and debt. (=・ω・=)
It's not easy paying off debt (especially when someone else left it behind). Hope it all goes smoothly.
Take your time lmao
You said here dan was harrassed but not raped; correct me if iam wrong. But he was harrassed WHILE having intercourse; so in that login he was sexually harrassed; which translates to rape. Yk rape comes in many ways, it might be the same form but it can come diffrently in a way.
Dan probably thought it didnt matter, he even says it himself. Dan is written to be stupid and naive; like a little boy. Him imagining that jae's question is just him being annoying and arrogant isnt too far away from character.
Ill take two approaches to what you said:
- blushing/the dilated pupils/parted lips can be seen as a biological reaction tho?
A victim of rape might ejaculate too if the stimulation is too much, it doesnt mean they enjoy it??? In this approach i see those reactions as something dan couldnt control, and the fact you mentioned the "blue blush" explains my point, dan was stressed; humiliated too, blush doenst only happen when someone is shy during sex. It can happen due to embarrassment/humiliation/anger/stress and so on.
- the author might have intended a way for how dan takes all of this, but can you really excuse how all of this looks like just bcuz dan is blushing?? If you read it again (chp 1-4) you can see how dan is written like a SA survivor trying to cope; its really hard to ignore.
Lets talk abt the dialogue a bit, in the first chps dan describes his experience as a living nightmare; even in his thoughts he is seeing all of this as bad. Every sex scene has a "no" or a "stop" you cant possibly ignore that? I dont think consensual sex (unless they have a safe word) has words of disagreement. Only a rapist ignores all these Signs.
(Ugh dude i read the other paragraph i sent you and it has SO MANY SPELLING MISTAKES, i am so sorry i hope it wasnt a hassle and it was easy to read :( i just didnt go through it again to check for spelling mistakes, sorry for the trouble)
You got this dude! Be strong and dont get in sketchy situation. Dept can be hassle but you can pay it off; you go this.
But jae is a champion?? He is famous as hell he can get out the door and find another bitch to peruse fr
He chose dan because dan is wimpy eh knew he would fold so quickly under pressure, the time dan accidentaly touched jae's pp he was so scared he cried, that why jae didnt hit him bcuz he knew he could get him as his new sextoy.
And jae doesnt sleep at all tho??? He barely sleeps i dont think he is blaming dan for that,
I dont really care what his intentions were and we actually have no clue what they are we just havr to assume what he did was the intention, but even if it wasnt it came off as a THREAT. Dan was threatened so he stayed; that just falls under the umbrella of rape.
Ofc dan wouldnt have came if jae told him at the moment?? Thats my point; dan wouldve had time to think there alone, if he then came then yes it wouldn't be rape. Jae pressured hima t the moment, in the chapter he asks him abt having intercourse he leans in to dan as he was messaging him to get him by shock then he pressures him by saying that he deosnt matter if he leaves.
"Jae was literally going ahead to CALL another one of his whore to replace Dan." Then why didnt eh do that when dan then refuses??? Go read the chapter again, see how he is drawn, he literally looks as if he is abt to k.o dan.
Like i said above; jae is famous he can find any other bitch but he chose dan bcuz he knew he doesnt know how to say no since he is very not confident.
But you're forgeting the time he said he didnt want to tho??? He may have game his consent but he took it back, he then was threatened to agree.
And ugh dude i so agree with you, that wouldnt have happened if he just went to any friend (if he has any) and talked abt it ;(
And omg dude you got me fucked up youre really good at arguement/debating; having this convo is fun as hell i hope we can come to a mutual agreement lol
Sexual harassment does not translate to rape. Who taught you that? Rape, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, sexual coercion, sexual harassment, and behaviors that might not fit neatly into any of these categories.
These are all acts of sexual violence, but it’s important to define them separately to punish perpetrators appropriately. It’s also important these terms and the distinctions between them are clearly understood. Otherwise, it makes it difficult for people to know how to label and describe their experiences. They are completely different terms, my dear, you can never translate them to each other and they can never be the same.
And by the way, you didn't read what I said clearly, I guess I just have to reiterate myself. I said, “Dan was harassed not raped. I'm talking about the time with the doctor from his previous workplace. Therefore, Dan lied that he was experienced(having sex)(intercourse)“.
I hope that is clear now.
“blushing/the dilated pupils/parted lips can be seen as a biological reaction tho?” It can be seen as a biological reaction but not in a manhwa or comic itself, authors draw this type of thing to show what they actually meant in the scenes. It is fiction so it has to be expressed well. Just because it looks like that doesn't mean it is. You have to view it in a manhwa manner, it is fiction, not real life. The same applies to anime.
Obviously, Dan doesn't enjoy the sex but he has started to which the author has excellently shown us. Don't ignore that my dear.
“The author might have intended a way for how dan takes all of this, but can you really excuse how all of this looks like just bcuz Dan is blushing?” Yes, but it depends because that is what the author intended. But I get what you said about the stress/humiliation and whatever. But the blush defines the scene and the manner in which they act. it definitely depends.
How do you jk ignored all the signs of dan suffering? The author didn't clarify it that way at all. Why are you bringing out actions that were never made in the story? Stop ignoring little actions please, every action needs to be heeded and accepted. They all have meanings if you read carefully.
Omg, when did jk choose Dan because he was wimpy? Jk chose Dan after he saw how good he was not because he was wimpy. You can't even use that in this context. He's famous doesn't mean he can't discover other insignificant options, and that insignificant option turned out good for him. I still can't see how he threatened Dan and I can give opposing statements on why you say jk threatened Dan.
-You see Dan as a wimp that's why you assume jk also sees him as one too. Yes, jk sees Dan as a wimp but he never used that against him, I confirmed that from chp 28 when he told Dan that he was a grown man and that he can't keep crying like a child.
-just because it looked like a threat, doesn't mean it is from both ends. Everyone sees jk as intimidating but my dear that's how he looks without even knowing. He has definitely had to look intimidating because he was a boxer. You can't ignore those factors too.
-Jk’s intention wasn't to threaten Dan at all. Be in jk’s shoes at that specific moment, he has a jinx and he has to have sex to win, all he cares about is his tournament for the next day. He was restless and angry that someone was wasting his time and I believe it was quite late for him to be having sex presuming that he had to sleep and be lively for the match.
-I don't know if you read chap 29 clearly but he said he is only able to sleep when he has sex or watches old movies. So my point is still standing.
-Yes he didn't want to the second time but in jk’s shoes wouldn't he find that very annoying? The annoyance pushed him to say those words my dear mind you. Imagine planning an outing you really wanted to go for with your friends and all of a sudden, they change their minds at that very dying minute. That is quite annoying especially when they agreed and y'all have talked about the arrangements that is clearly what happened in that situation. And jk found it annoying because he has a match and Dan was annoyingly wasting his time.
Omg, I think I've talked too much LMAO.
In this you repeat everything that i said in previous comments so i am not gonna re-say it again.
And sexual abuse does fall under rape. And even is rape.
[[ The def of sexual abuse: ]]
Sexual abjse is a sexual behaviour forced upon a person without their consent.
Sexual abuse is an act of violence which attackers uses against someone they perceive as weaker than them.
[[ the def of rape: ]]
Rape is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without their consent.
What the author intended doenst excuse that this is written/drawn like rape.
The author may have intended for thid bug to be a butterfly but it looks like a roach. Get what i mean?
And what do you mena little actions? In stories you have to look at those you to look and analyze the undertones its fun that way (atleast for me)
And tbh i think there is no point in arguing abt blush if you srsly believe a drawn red on the cheeks can excuse the whole scene. I guess we will not agree on that
I cant believe you just compared an OUTING to having sex with someone who is unwilling. Its very messed up.
Read chapters 1-4 again CAREFULLY. He threatened him.
Agian we dont know what jae's intentions were so we have to assume the way he siad it/looked like it is the way he intended it to be.
Its like saying; oh i know he punched me in the face but it looked like his intentions was to grab the bug that i didnt see.
And please read this comic again with consideration. Jae sees dan wimpy, he really does. Everything he does towards him proves that. And him saying "you are a grown man dont cry" also proves that he sees him as a wimp.
"You see Dan as a wimp that's why you assume jk also sees him as one too. Yes, jk sees Dan as a wimp" this made me very confused. Youre making no sense and are just saying stuff to just say it. So i am wrong tho iam right since its true that i am wrong that jae sees him as wimpy??? Idk man.
What point still stand? And yes jae can get himself another man to have sex with, you literally said he was calling another man in the meantime. Make it make sense girl.
BUT DAN WASNT GOOD. I cant tell HOW he was good. Jae just wanted someone who cant say no. How can you not see that dude? Dna is literally the most inexperienced perosn jae has ever met, he is either dumb as hell he couldn't tell (which is most unlikely since jae is a slut so he would easily know when someone had done it before) or that he knew it beforehand.
So.... I've seen a lot of people throw around the word rape when it comes to this story and as a newish kinda fundashi I'm just curious IS THIS RAPE? I always thought of it as more dubious than anything. Yeah the uke isn't into it (at first) but he's also doing it for the money. Kinda like doing a job that you hate but you still have the choice to walk away.
Before you say he can't get away he literally did when he thought his grandma was gonna die. Has the seme ever threatened to rape him(can't remember).
I just wanna say aswell I don't noncon in stories as long as its done well, like I've dropped so many noncon stories, mainly because we're boring, and throwing in a sexual element doesn't make it fun.