Gosh people

I don't think a different perspective equates to being stupid. So I think you should refrain from such language.

Let's break down this chapter shall we? Jooin has told Yahwi multiple times that he never listens to what he had to say. What Jooin's wishes or opinions never mattered. Even in the scene before Yahwi left, Jooin said "You won't listen to what I have to say anyway" and what does Yahwi do? He does something else without Jooin's consent.

And we have the next scene of him thinking of his trauma, instead of reflecting on what the root cause of the problem is. His trauma, like you mentioned, is not to be taken lightly, I agree. But I am a strong believer that your past experiences are not excuses for the actions you commit. It gives insight into why someone is a horrible person, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a horrible person.

So it is appropriate for me to say that he is selfish. Immediately after Jooin tells him explicitly that he knows Yahwi doesn't care about what Jooin had to say, he goes off to think about his trauma. He barely acknowledges the truth that he undermines Jooin's wishes, and insteads goes off (mentally) that he liked Jooin much more than Jooin believed, which was not the point. He feels like he is wronged when he isnt. The truth is that he was horrible to Jooin

Also, about his trauma: His childhood caused him to have trust issues. I would understand if that meant that he wouldn't trust that Jooin likes him, or that he is paranoid that Jooin is cheating behind his back. But it doesnt explain why he doesn't take account what Jooin has to say, or why he believes that his own thoughts and wishes should be prioritised over his own.

If he was brainwashed to believe that he shouldnt trust anyone, and that somehow has turned him into believing he is an unfeeling person, there was no need to hurt Jooin more. But he did. Jooin has finally started to move on, but Yahwi still thought about himself, and said Jooin isnt allowed to. Idk how to phrase it but linking his trauma to his selfishness is a bit of a stretch to me.

These are fictional characters, so I can say all of this. If they are real people, I would hope Yahwi and Jooin never end up together. Many of us just believe that the author could have planned this better. Maybe made Yahwi's character less polarising. That's all :)

i wish i could like this reply yeez say it louder for the people in the back

You're talking from NORMAL way of thinking prespective.
From a third party prespective, which if yours.
You don't even explain it from Yahwi prespective, which is not related to this discussion because my comment specifically talking about Yahwi situation.

First, Yahwi won't listen.
Isn't that obvious? Why would he listen to others when he doesn't even trust them?
Ofc Yahwi will just brush it off.
Imagine someone that you don't trust in your life/have betrayed you before, telling you to listen to him/her, would you listen?
In Yahwi's mind, Jooin not telling him about Cain is a betrayal. Plus, Yahwi seeing Jooin's lips clearly from kissing but Jooin denied to have done it. Again, he has a HUGE trust issue. And I'm talking FROM YAHWI PRESPECTIVE.

And if you say "So why would Yahwi even go chasing Jooin?"
(1) Because he wants to know what's Jooin's intention. Why would Jooin insist on getting close to him but then suddenly just avoid him?
(2) Because he's doubting himself, can he really trust Jooin?

Again, part of Yahwi force himself and hurt Jooin is wrong. And I DO NOT support that. But that could be the way of him to cope with things. YES, WRONG. But people expressed themselves differently. Unfortunartely some people do it using violence.
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"But I am a strong believer that your past experiences are not excuses for the actions you commit."
=> Partially corrent, partially wrong.

There's a reason why people who are mentally unstable/disturbed can get a light sentence for their crime. Some even sent straight to rehabilitation for their mental health.
Because if their brain can't comprehend, they can't think straight.
You can't reasoned with them, they're unable to connect the dots.
So it depends on how deeply the past experience affecting someone.
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"Immediately after Jooin tells him explicitly that he knows Yahwi doesn't care about what Jooin had to say, he goes off to think about his trauma. He barely acknowledges the truth that he undermines Jooin's wishes, and insteads goes off (mentally) that he liked Jooin much more than Jooin believed, which was not the point. He feels like he is wronged when he isnt. The truth is that he was horrible to Jooin"
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(1) He thought about his trauma because it triggers him to think. He was regretting why he can't just say that he love Jooin, then he REMEMBERS the past and how his granddad tell him to "THINK BEFORE YOU ACT" (referance: chap 60, page 42). And that's exactly what he did. He think again and again, can he trust Jooin? Do I really love him?
(2) He barely acknowledge he won't listen. That's a progress, because in the past he doesn't even care and completely brush off what Jooin said.
(3) "he liked Jooin much more than Jooin believed". Umm, no? Which page says he liked Jooin more than Jooin believed?
After that page 42, the grandfather told him to think before he act and not trusting others.
Yahwi proceeds to say/think, corelating with the fact that he thinks he love Jooin, Yahwi said "Who is he to say that there's nothing between them" refer to what Cain said before. Yahwi had a history with Jooin way before, and then now. He proceeds to think, was it Jooin that liked him first or Yahwi was actually the one that liked him first? Then he FINALLY acknowledge that HE actually the ones that liked Jooin first, since they were still kids.

Please read the chapter carefully. You clearly skip some parts that caused you to misinterpreted what actually happened
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"Also, about his trauma: His childhood caused him to have trust issues. I would understand if that meant that he wouldn't trust that Jooin likes him, or that he is paranoid that Jooin is cheating behind his back. But it doesnt explain why he doesn't take account what Jooin has to say, or why he believes that his own thoughts and wishes should be prioritised over his own."
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I explained this in my first paragraph. Also, refer to what his grandad said, chap 60 page 42.
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"If he was brainwashed to believe that he shouldnt trust anyone, and that somehow has turned him into believing he is an unfeeling person, there was no need to hurt Jooin more. But he did. Jooin has finally started to move on, but Yahwi still thought about himself, and said Jooin isnt allowed to. Idk how to phrase it but linking his trauma to his selfishness is a bit of a stretch to me."
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Do I have to remind you that Jooin was the one who chased Yahwi? Have you forget that? Have you forget that Jooin was the one who said he won't let his feeling catch up
and interfere their "sex friends" relationship?
And then when Jooin started to feel it's too much since he actually love Yahwi, Jooin avoid Yahwi.
That's the trigger of Yahwi's feeling, and that makes him uncertain. Why did he feel something lost when Jooin gone?

"Idk how to phrase it but linking his trauma to his selfishness is a bit of a stretch to me."

It's you who are unable to connect the dots.
The author try to give you snippets of why Yahwi can't just admit he likes Jooin.
Why Yahwi feeling uncertain about his own feeling.
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When people already disliked a character, they tend to not care about that character.
They can't think from their prespective.
Which clearly is the case for Yahwi character here.

The author did a good job to give a snippet of his past.
Ofc the author can dig more into it, I personally would love to see that.

Not all stories are fluffy. Not all characters are kind characters.
That's something that you should keep in mind whenever you read stories.

Not all characters are fluffy, not all characters are kind. So we agree that Yahwi is not fluffy. Yahwi isnt kind. That is my point.

I don't like the trope of he's bad but that's okay because he had trauma. No, it is only okay if he WORKS ON IT. If he IMPROVES ON HIMSELF.

Your example for people who are mentally unstable committing crimes, they are still punished for it. Sure, they have weaker sentences, but they are still punished for them because it isnt an excuse, it was a REASON, and so the state is giving them an opportunity to get better. If what you said is correct, they would be released, no repercussions.

If you look at the comments here, a lot of people agree with the way I perceived the chapter so it isn't my fault for seeing things the way I do. The way the artist and writer portrayed the story isn't the best because many people are still not convinced that Yahwi will be redeemed.

The part of your comment talking abt why yahwi is thinking of his trauma, I understood that. I didn't miss any part nor misunderstand. I am just pointingnout how at this point, not ONCE has Yahwi placed himself in Jooin's shoes. And Jooin has done so multiple times.

I don't think I was clear in my opinions. I am not saying Yahwi should die or like go to prison. What I am saying is that he needs to work on himself before he deserves to be in a relationship. That is the healthy thing to do. At this point, all he is thinking about is himself, which is good for HIM cos he has serious issues, but not good for Jooin. Just because he is broken, it doesn't mean hurting Jooin is okay. Jooin deserves better than that, and I hope you at least agree with that.

Just know, this is a fictional character. If I had a friend like Jooin, I'd be making sure Yahwi stays away from him.

Jooin had no fault in the trauma that Yahwi experiences, so why is Yahwi punishing him for it? That's how I see it:)

"So we agree that Yahwi is not fluffy. Yahwi isnt kind."
==> Not really. Hi behavior isn't good at the moment but he has a big potential to be good. I always try to see people's positive points and believe they can always improved. So I won't say he isn't kind. His behavior, emphasis in behavior, isn't good but deep down I believe he's kind since he IS TRYING to change.
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"he WORKS ON IT. If he IMPROVES ON HIMSELF."
==> Again, you're missing HUGE parts of the story. HE IS TRYING, but he still doesn't know the right way. He has no one to tell him how to do it. Jooin tried to tell him how to, but Yahwi still trying to process things. The fact that he left in chapter 60 shows that he is trying to change. In the past, he'll just forcefully drag Jooin to his house.
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"Your example for people who are mentally unstable committing crimes..."
==> Jooin PUNISHED Yahwi by avoiding him. So he IS getting punished.
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If you look at the comments here, a lot of people agree with the way I perceived the chapter so it isn't my fault for seeing things the way I do. The way the artist and writer portrayed the story isn't the best because many people are still not convinced that Yahwi will be redeemed.
==> Yes, because most of the readers here are teenagers. Their brain isn't fully developed. I'll copy paste the explanation. You can look it up, they all said the same thing:

One of the biggest differences researchers have found between adults and adolescents is the pre-frontal cortex. This part of the brain is still developing in teens and doesn’t complete its growth until approximately early to mid 20’s. The prefrontal cortex performs reasoning, planning, judgment, and impulse control, necessities for being an adult. Without the fully development prefrontal cortex, a teen might make poor decisions and lack the inability to discern whether a situation is safe. Teens tend to experiment with risky behavior and don’t fully recognize the consequences of their choices.

On the other hand, in adults, the frontal cortex is completely developed. They are able to process and organize information. Adults, who are emotionally and psychologically healthy, are able to judge risky behavior and factor into decision-making the consequences of their choices. Teens might rely more on their amygdala, the part of the brain dealing with emotions, whereas adults rely more on their frontal cortex, leading to balanced thinking and behavior. In fact, another part of the brain that is still developing are certain neural networks of brain cells that link the prefrontal cortex to regions of the brain that are less about reasoning and thinking and more about emotion.

That's why they immediately:
"Oh, he's doing something bad. What a horrible person!"
If adults, healthy brain normal adults, see someone doing something bad, they'll think what drives them to do something bad? Is there anything that triggers them to do it? Let's hear from his side and we'll judge later.
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"The part of your comment talking abt why yahwi is thinking of his trauma, I understood that. I didn't miss any part nor misunderstand. I am just pointingnout how at this point, not ONCE has Yahwi placed himself in Jooin's shoes. And Jooin has done so multiple times."
==> Ofc he hasn't. He didn't trust others. He basically has no empathy towards others. At the beginning part, he clearly says he's putting an act. If you ever learn psychology, or have someone who has trust issue, they'll react in two ways (well, a lot of ways but the obvious ones are two):
(1) They'll be scared and paranoid when people trying to get close to them.
(2) They will act normal but deep down they won't care or have empathy towards others.
Yahwi is the latter category
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"What I am saying is that he needs to work on himself before he deserves to be in a relationship. That is the healthy thing to do."
==> That won't apply to everyone. Some people who have issues, will get better when they have someone very close to him whom he can talk to. That and therapy with psychologist will definitely make them better. There's a manga called "The Beast Must Die". That's a great example of how someone can help his partner to get better.
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" Jooin deserves better than that, and I hope you at least agree with that."
==> All of them: Jooin, Cain, Yahwi, deserves a good life.

Jooin still didn't know what makes Yahwi act like that. Once he knows, he can decided whatever he wants to do, whether to stay with Yahwi or stay away from him.
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" If I had a friend like Jooin, I'd be making sure Yahwi stays away from him."
==> If Jooin is my friend, I'll told him to have a real talk with Yahwi. Jooin still going with Yahwi when Yahwi asked him, didn't fully said he doesn't like him, and from his actions clearly still care about Yahwi.
All Jooin said was "You don't listen what I said. Do you really don't know your mistake?" and then run away.
That's not gonna solve anything. Talk, have a discussion. If you still care, you can always start the discussion, not just waiting for the other person to start it because "they're in the wrong".
Unless, ofc they don't care anymore. Then just run from that person and don't interact with with him anymore.
Which clearly ISN'T the case for Jooin.
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"Jooin had no fault in the trauma that Yahwi experiences, so why is Yahwi punishing him for it? That's how I see it:) "
==> Except that Yahwi didn't see that as punishment. He's doing what he do to other people. He's doing what he BELIEVES as something that he has to do. Clearly that's not how he's supposed to do, but he doesn't realize that.

Again, you see this from normal prespective.
You will reach the same conclusion if you think from that prespective.
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Seems like psychology based story isn't for you (and many others here), sweetheart :)

.......you are getting strangely defensive over fictional charaters sweetheart. You telling me I am seeing this from a normal perspectiove means that you aren't seeing it normally..

Your talk about research around the brain is something I know a lot about, being a med student and all. And it seems like you believe that Yahwi is not wrong becaude he is mentally ill. When he is wrong, because he is mentally ill.

You need to know that no other person is in charge of other people's mebtal health issues and so you saying that it should be Jooin making allowances for Yahwi because he is the healthier one is completely biased.

Like you said, I view this as a 3rd party, which means that I am viewing this completelt objectively. You are viewing this only from Yahwi's side.

I agree that communication is key, that both sides suck at it, but you saying that Jooin has more wrong is not it. Yahwi is starting to evolve, he is starting to see his mistakes, and here you sre saying he hadn't made a mistake. The reason why you think so is because he is trying to change???

Since you like addressing points by points, although this is going to be a pain to do on mobile, I'll do this once.

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"The fact that he left in chapter 60 shows that he is trying to change. In the past, he'll just forcefully drag Jooin to his house."

This argument sounds a lot like "he only attempted murder, at least he didn't actually kill him".
Comparing what happened to the possibility of what worse could happen isn't a viable argument to elevate a bad action. Would you console your friend who got raped by saying "at least he didnt kill you?" Prob not. Would you console your friend who got forcefully kissed by their ex with "at least he didn't force you do do worse"? I sure hope not

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"Jooin PUNISHED Yahwi by avoiding him. So he IS getting punished."

Here is the thing. Yahwi publicly denounced any relationship with Jooin. Jooin took the flack for ir, being bullied for being gay, harassing Yahwi etc. So, with this rejection, he decides to move on. And you call this punishing Yahwi? Because he ignored Yahwi? Something that Yahwi had been doing from day one? Because he is mentally ill, that's ok?

Dear, I am seriously worried about you. I hope that in the future, when you stary dating, you will be able to see manipulative behaviour and avoid that. If you truly thibk that Yahwi is the one being punished instead of Jooin, I really hope nobody takes advantage of your psyche. Really. I am seriously worried.

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"If adults, healthy brain normal adults, see someone doing something bad, they'll think what drives them to do something bad? Is there anything that triggers them to do it? Let's hear from his side and we'll judge later."

I am not a teenager. I am 24. And all this talk about brain development, yes I am aware. I have just graduated med sch after all. But here is the thing:
As adults, we are also aware that we are not responsible for other people's triggers and traumas. We should be able to identify toxic behaviour and leave situations when we need to.

Yahwi hurts Jooin. Jooin hurts Yahwi because he triggers his trauma. Hence why I said the best situation for them, since they are already broken up, is to stay apart, Yahwi work on his trauma and trust issues while Jooin recovers from the new trauma Yahwi brought him.


"That's a great example of how someone can help his partner to get better"

But you need to know that the partner is not responsible for doing that. From this point, Jooin hasn't explored Yahwi's trauma becaus he has no idea and that isn't WRONG. He is allowed to be oblivious. He is allowed to not care about it now. He is allowed to not want to deal with it in the future. Thay will not make him a bad person because he never signed up for this.

Yahwi, on the other hand...it is true that the opposite matters, that he has no responsibility to care what Jooin is feeling, but he was the one responsible for causing the hurt and the bullying. And Jooin never expected Yahwi to apologise to him, nor help him deal with this trauma. Like you said, he chased Yahwi first, and he understands that these are his consequences. So he is dealing with them privately, needing some space to heal himself but Yahwi is refusing to give him space, resorting to guilt tripping him into thinking that Jooin is avoiding him to punish him.

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I'm tired of typing on my phone. So I will address the last point

"Seems like psychology based story isn't for you (and many others here), sweetheart :) "

I think that you are more unsuitable for psych stories since you are glamorising it. Good psych stories never paint the bad guy as a good guy. Good psych stories are self aware. They don't make excuses for the bad actions of characters, instead they include backstories that make you sympathise and remind the readers thatit doesn't change the fact that they have hurt other people. They allow the characters to change and evolve, TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY. They also showcase the dangers of toxic relationships, and how easy it is to sympathise with the bad boy because he has a traumatic past.

Maybe you haven't read many good psych stories, maybe you are still young. But I sincerely hope that you are able to identify all that I have shared with you dear. Yahwi is just a fictional character, thank god. But if you meet one irl, know that it isn't a movie or a manhwa where it becomes your job to unravel one's trauma and fix him. I've seen it first hand. Unless you are a licensed psychiatrist/psychologist, you wont be able to fix him.

The criticisms for this story is very valid. How the reader feels about Yahwi will affect how rewarding his redemption arc will be. At the moment, if he is redeemed in the next few chapters, it will not be higly accepted. That is what these comments are saying. No need to start calling people stupid just because they refuse stand on the side of the abusive character with a traumatic past.

I suggest you read my comments again and again because you miss some points and misinterpret things again. I'd love to have discussion, but if you're just gonna skip here and there, misinterpret things that (sorry to say this) is so simple and direct, I will probably stop replying.
Anyway, here's the reply.

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"means that you aren't seeing it normally"
==>I didn't. I told you from the beginning, I'm talking from Yahwi's prespective. Because people keep seeing this either from Jooin POV or normal POV of how things are. They don't want to try see it from Yahwi's prespective, which should explain everything of why he act certain way.
You didn't read all again, you miss important things again. I literally said this in the beginning, and you're asking now?
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"you believe that Yahwi is not wrong becaude he is mentally ill"
==> NO. Are you really reading my reply? You ask if I agree Yahwi isn't kind. I told you no, I believe deep down Yahwi is kind. But his behavior at the moment is wrong. READ AGAIN, I said this : His behavior, emphasis in behavior, isn't good but deep down I believe he's kind since he IS TRYING to change.
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"This argument sounds a lot like "he only attempted murder, at least he didn't actually kill him"."
==> I was giving you example of how Yahwi is trying to change. In chapter 60, he left Jooin after he was being told. In the past, he won't leave him alone even if Jooin said so.
You're bad at making comparison.
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"And you call this punishing Yahwi? Because he ignored Yahwi? Something that Yahwi had been doing from day one? Because he is mentally ill, that's ok?"
==> It is, from Yahwi's prespective, he is being punished.

You got the definition of manipulation behavior wrong.
Manipulative behavior is when someone is FULLY AWARE of what they are doing to someone and keep taking advantage of that.
Yahwi, in this case, doesn't know. In his mind, this is how he should do in order to keep a distance. He needs to be in control because he don't want to get hurt. Which, ofc is wrong and not something that people should do.

I am helping my aunt in her office as psychologist. My main job is a writer but occasionally I'm helping there since I also have a degree in Psychology. I used to work there full time.
I've seen A LOT, and I mean A LOT of people like Yahwi. Those who don't even know that what they're doing is wrong because of their upbringing. We don't automatically diagnose them when they're unaware of their own situation.
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"since they are already broken up, is to stay apart,
==> This, again, depends on the partner's decision. In this case, Jooin's decision ONCE HE KNOWS about what's going on. Once they have an honest talk and Yahwi open up.
Yes, stay apart will work. But stay together will work to.
There are many cases where the partner is willing to stay and help them get better.
Those who have trust issue need people who are close to them that they can trust.

"But you need to know that the partner is not responsible for doing that."
==> Ofc he's not responsible to stay with Yahwi.
But he CAN HELP Yahwi.
Like I said above, people who have trust issue need someone or some people close that they can trust. Slowly but surely learn how to trust others.
It's better for them to have people around. The way I see in Yahwi is that he only started to trust Jooin and not others. Well, unless we get more chapters later introducing Yahwi close friends or something. But up until now, chapter 60, Yahwi is alone.
Once Jooin knows about what's going on, then he can make a decision.
Whether to stay or stay away. He knows what he's capable of to handle. Usually, we told the partner what to expect and ask if they're ready to commit.

The easiest way for you to understand is by visiting the psychology department, talk so some psychologist there. To learn more about trust issue.
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"Yahwi is refusing to give him space, resorting to guilt tripping him"
==> Because even if Jooin said he doesn't want to talk, he still at the end talk to Yahwi, agree to be pick up by Yahwi. That's not a strong rejection, resulting in Yahwi thinking it's not really a big deal. Again, I'm talking from Yahwi's POV. Not how it's supposed to be.
Even though in real life, some people just can't be firm enough to reject someone. So we have to know when to stop.
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"Instead they include backstories that make you sympathise and remind the readers thatit doesn't change the fact that they have hurt other people. They allow the characters to change and evolve, TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY."
==> This is an ongoing story. Not a complete one. If you want to critizise a story, say it once it's finished. We just got the part where Yahwi is open up (to the readers) about his trauma.

You need to know that in Korean manhwa, the story is really based on the readers respond. Once they show massive negative respond, the publisher will ask the author to finish them sooner. That's why you get some manhwa that seemed "too rush". Some of them are because the publisher asked them to finish it sooner. Not all, but some. Either because it's not that popular or they get a backlash.

So it's important as readers to wait. I get that the plot can be triggering or annoying, but critisizing the author when the problem is not even solved yet. Thank God it's just here and not in the official site.
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"I think that you are more unsuitable for psych stories since you are glamorising it. Maybe you haven't read many good psych stories, maybe you are still young."
==> Unfortunately I'm older than you.
Glamorising it, what a word! I'm telling people from the mentally ill POV, to give different insight on how their brain works. Because clearly, many people can only see black and white, even though there's a huge grey area in things that can't simply be judged as right or wrong.

Ah, I see now. You never read dark psychology theme novels, do you?
Those who won't give you only "lessons" to learn from, those who won't give you a happy ending. Those who simply tell a story of the mentally ill character, shows different prespective.
I would recommend you some but realized that you may won't be able to handle it.
So, yeah, just stick with the light theme and have a happy life (=・ω・=)
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" No need to start calling people stupid just because they refuse stand on the side of the abusive character with a traumatic past."
==> Sigh. Again, you didn't read properly, skip some of my points again. It's okay if you don't mentioned it. But if you're gonna mentioned it, at least quoted it right or don't misinterpret it.
I literally write this in my original comment
"Those who talk so lightly about Yahwi trauma and that he should move on,
FUCK YOU (︶︿︶)＝凸"

I SPECIFICALLY calling out people who talk so lightly about his condition and told him to just move on.
(Oh, and I condemn his behavior in the next paragraph just in case you missed it)
Childhood trauma isn't something that can easily "moved on".
Especially if they never visit psychologist before and didn't have support system in their adults life. Which is the case for Yahwi.
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This is a fictional character.
But his trauma is something that actually happen in real life.
And I can't stand people who simply brush off trauma and told them to move on.
I know very well that this site is full of teenagers, that's why I always made comment here and there regarding psychology part of the character.
There are people that can get better (actually the majority can) and there are people that won't ever get better.
So instead of judging them and put a "bad person" stamp, I always try to give insight to learn more about human's emotion and behavior.