I really didn't like the first story. I could see what the author was trying to say but so...

Got a bit carried away there. Made a couple of mistakes

I was thinking the same thing. I can't see how they will ever really be happy. The whole thing seemed unfair to the 3 of them.

'Actively trying to move on', he went away for a week and still had not unpack his stuff. He was waiting for the uke to chase after him. So your 'actively trying to move on' is a misinterpretation of the story. Kitada EXPECTED Sakai to follow him.

Pisspipe bottom? He wants the two and the two allows it. It's consensual. Don't blame the Sakai for his indecision, to him, it's a difficult choice.

Blame the people who are not asking/demanding Sakai to choose.

Blame the people who are allowing Sakai to 'use' them.

Blame the people who YOU think are unhappy with the situation(when they have not shown that at the end) yet still continued on with the relationship.

'No real love there'. Just a slut? Who are you to say that he has no real love? Did you not read the story. It was blatantly stated that without either of them, he would be unhappy. If he was just a slut who wanted sex, he could have that with anyone.

You should check your interpretation of the story and not let your biased prejudice affect your reading.

It's a case of having your cake and eating it too and just because you accept something doesn't mean that you like it or that your happy. It like hating a song the first time you hear it but after hearing it a thousand times you decide that you like it. TBH I didn't explain myself very well and thè bottom was my least favorire character. And as for my interpretation of the story isn't the whole point of reading something to have your own view and look at it through your own eyes. My comment was what I read. It all just seemed like a ploy to have a threesome. When these kinds of relationships are a lot more then just that. I found everything and everyone flat, the fact that they didn't question it pissed me off to. And the fact you expect me to blame anyone must be a joke right? It's a story, I don't blame anyone.
Like I said I could see where they were trying to go with this but in my opinion I don't think it was portrayed very well. It a forgettable story with another bitch bottom. Not my cup of tea. Sorry.

'It's a case of having your cake and eating it too and just because you accept something doesn't mean that you like it or that your happy. It like hating a song the first time you hear it but after hearing it a thousand times you decide that you like it. '

So? They are the ones consenting. If they don't like it, that's their prerogative. Be an adult and stay away from such a relationship if you dislike it then, that's Kitada's responsibility, not Sakai's. Why are you calling Sakai a slut then? Or someone who is not having a 'real love'.

'And the fact you expect me to blame anyone must be a joke right? It's a story, I don't blame anyone. '

'All I could see was a pisspipe bottom that even after getting what he wanted refuse to let go of someone that was actively trying to move on. Using him and then dragging him along while not taking into account the other guys feelings.'

Not blaming anyone? Do you remember what you wrote? Funny you also didn't try to counter what I countered about Kitada not trying to move on at all tho.

OMG. He gave him back the keys, he moved house, he changed his number. Just because he was hoping it would happen doesn't mean it had to. He didn't chase after him. He left him. I didn't think I had to explain myself because it's my option. Are you telling me you've never been come out a relationship hoping that they would come crawling back. Plus they were just fuck buddies, yet he loved him all the same. They were together for ten years, and you saying that he really didn't have a single clue that the black haired guy was in love with him. And before you say no he didn't love him back he was in love with his best friend. Black hair guy was just support, a shoulder to cry on and I could be cruder.
And what I wrote wasn't blaming the bottom.it was simply venting what I thought.
This kind of relationship will be OK now but there will be jealously and hatred and because they didn't communicate when they are uncomfortable and just went along with it everything will fester and it will fall apart.

Lol 'hoping'. He was CONFIDENT the guy would chase after him. He KNEW the guy would. It's different from simply 'hoping'. And so what if he were truly moving on? Why go back to Sakai then? That's his fault not Sakai. Acting as though Kitada had no say on his own actions is irresponsible. Letting Sakai back into his life is HIS decision. Whether he gets unhappy from it or not that will be his fault.

'They were together for ten years, and you saying that he really didn't have a single clue that the black haired guy was in love with him.' Yes? Kitada told him they were sex friends. What did you expect? Sakai never had experience with sex friends and all that but you expected him to know that Kitada wanted more? Is he a mind reader?

He didn't love him back? He had the guy that he WANTED AND LOVED FOR 10 YEARS. Yet he still chased after Kitada. He was depressed because Kitada left. He barely did anything with his best friend or talked much to his best friend after Kitada left him. Is this something someone who uses another would react? He has Nishi, why go after or be depressed about Kitada if he truly only used him? Your own words contradict what you said. Do you realise that? Don't let your own feelings skew your perceptions of the manga.

'And what I wrote wasn't blaming the bottom.it was simply venting what I thought. '

You basically blamed him for not 'letting go'. You called him a slut. And using the guy. You said it a gain. Please tell me how is that not blaming.

'This kind of relationship will be OK now but there will be jealously and hatred and because they didn't communicate when they are uncomfortable and just went along with it everything will fester and it will fall apart'

Where did it say they don't communicate or that they are uncomfortable. Where did it say they were uncomfortable in the first place? The ending Nishi basically invited Kitada to the ski resort and Kitada gave time to Nishi to be with Sakai. They not being able to talk is YOUR misinterpretation. They thanked each other and Nishi no longer felt bad about the relationship between Kitada and Sakai anymore. It never once said anything nor imply they were uncomfortable with the situation. Nishi even said he understood Kitada's actions when kitada was trying to get him and Sakai to get along again. Sakai is oblivious but Nishi and Kitada are not, they understand each other's actions without even needing words. So i don't get where all this 'jealousy, hatred and failure to communicate' comes from.

Evidence please.

OK. I didn't read what you wrote because it was way to long. This was fun for a minute but I reckon your taking it a bit to seriously now.
So you win I guess.
But one more question, how many times did you read this?

Yeah. 'Too long'. I broke it into parts to make it easier to read. Don't act like you didn't read and you knew that you had nothing to counter. Fine by me. Please don't be arrogant and act like you're 'giving' me the win. I really don't want to take part in your childish 'power struggle' game.

Read the manga? Once. You don't need to read the manga multiple times if you've already understood it and how everything is resolved. Information processing theory-working memory to long-term memory is when something becomes meaningful(truly understood), does not require repetition unless it's been weeks.

How about answering one question then.

Where in the manga did you get that they were jealous/uncomfortable with each other?

And don't give me that shit before they got into the relationship. Put your money where your mouth is.

OK. I won if it made you feel better. This wasn't a power struggle chick. I didn't ask you for your opinion or invite you into a debt on MY personal opinion, which is not just my own by the way a lot of people share it. Call me childish all you want its not going to make a lick of difference in the long run. It's not like this is A Clockwork Orange, I understood it perfectly and I still didn't like it.
Bullshit you read it once. You remember all there fucking names and unless your Japanese and I really doubt you have a photographic memory there's no way in hell you could without at least checking back on it. You spent most of your time copying and pasting what I wrote after all.

I'm not ganna read through this shit again just to prove a point.

LOL. There was 4.5 chapters which repeated their names multiple times. They had alot of scenes with the three of them together. Scenes where two of them were together and talking about the person not there. I read comments also with people repeating their names. Go check them? Why would I reread the manga I just read? Please have some logic.

Just because you can't remember it, doesn't mean others won't.

I copy paste your statements to REMIND YOU. Not for myself. The fact that I copied and paste them in the first place showed that I remembered what you wrote which by the by I JUST read because you replied quite fast. I don't have a photogenic memory but I have a good one. But thanks for the compliment lol.

'I understood it perfectly and I still didn't like it. '

No, the fact that you said 'they were uncomfortable, can't talk to each other, were jealous.' showed that you in fact, DID NOT understand it. Other people sharing your opinion is not a good indicator of how 'good' your opinion is. There are 7 billion people in the world. Are you saying that they may not have misunderstood it as well? Or let their bias skew their perception of it as well.

Your arguments show that you read the manga with a biased and onesided view. Using your own emotions to dictate what is happening instead of understanding the character's feelings and perceptions. Instead you took it as your own, uncaring of theirs. So no. You did not understand it and thus your opinion is without ground.

Maybe you should read that shit again to realise you never truly understood it. Just saying.

The author is catering to the audience, so my opinions and my feelings come into consideration when I'm reading. I don't just take what I see I put myself into there shoes so that I can relate to it in my own way. That is the whole point of reading it's not like I'm watching a movie or a TV show where what you see is what you get. I wanna feel it when they get hurt and when there sad and when there happy. And with this all I felt was anger and frustration. I did try to re read the little extra at the end and I saw evidence that supported what I said and what you said. There is no right or wrong with options it's either you chose to share it or not.

It's whether you choose to share or not*

Why are you so offended? It's not like I singled you out. If you can't handle the comments don't fucking read them

Please reread what I said. I did not say that you can't feel anything for them. You can feel it if THEY feel it. But no, you're only feeling what YOU would feel in their situation. Which is TWO DIFFERENT things. It shows that you are not taking into consideration nor trying to understand, the character/the plot/the relationships. It's selfish and it is NOT the point of being a reader. Why else would we teach children reading comprehension if all they do is misinterpret the story willy nilly.

'I did try to re read the little extra at the end and I saw evidence that supported what I said and what you said. There is no right or wrong with options it's either you chose to share it or not.'

Evidence?

No right or wrong with opinions? There is a right or wrong when you choose to show your opinions as facts. You did not say 'You feel like he is a slut or they have bad communication.' You SAID he is a slut and they have bad communication. Which is an accusation not a mere opinion. And when you accuse, you have to back it up. Or it shows your 'opinions' are biased. It's like racists/homophobes who think they should have their opinions yet present them as facts, the way you did.

It's also hypocritical of you to say that I should not reply to comments if 'I can't handle it' and say you have a right to your opinion at the same time.

If you can't handle(don't want) people putting their opinions on your 'opinions' then don't comment at all?

I have no problem with what your saying. Everyone's entitled to disagree. It's the fact that you sending me essay after essay and expect me to read it and not only that you want me to re read something I expressed dislike for because you feel like I was wrong. I stated that I got a bit carried away and that I didn't express myself very well and made some errors. Believe it or not I am fucking human. And the fact that your tell me how I should feel or how I should read somthing when it's subjective to each and every person it a piss take. I though this was a bit if fun at first, like a little debate or something but you were taking it way to seriously for the begin. And god knows why. These people are not real. Your not standing up for a person under attack your standing up for a fiction character in a yaoi manga....
If this is your kind of story then good for you. It's not my cup of tea. Love it or lump it. You can get of your fucking g soapbox now.