Yes, thank you, exactly what I'm thinking too.
He wasn't conditioned to be a M..and he said that he wasn't scared of being raped but about the fact that he liked the idea of it and of being bound/ handled roughly..that was one incident that "awakened" desires he didn't know he had..true he didn't ask for that to happen but he wasn't completely against it..and it's not an excuse for him to cheat on his lover especially when he didn't even give him a chance to see if he could be what he wanted
Dude, you do know that this is like self-deprecating talk that's instilled in people who have suffered from sexual abuse where they just put the blame on themselves, right? He was "awakened". He "likes it". This is bullshit talk generally used by rapists who are excusing their own behavior and convincing their victims that they actually want it. And "cheating" isn't what went down here. He was assaulted. He's not to blame.
you said used by RAPISTs...the brother HIMSELF said that he's a masochist and likes to be handled roughly...i also said that yes he didn't ask for it but he willingly gave the director a blow..he didn't even try to resist! Just because he shoved his crotch in his face didn't mean he had to go along with it...I hate when rapes occur in stories and are used in a way to make it seem okay but I wouldn't say he was assaulted sexually..assaulted from being pushed and locked in handcuffs? sure...sexually harassed when he put his crotch in his face? sure...when he didn't refuse and willingly gave him a blow job? No...and he might've gone further had his brother not come home..they're both to blame and he did cheat..you can say he had a momentary lapse in judgement or succumbed to his desires but he wasn't forced..hell he could've bit it off or something..also take a look at the link for ch. 3 and see if you can still say the same.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/asanaga_ryuutarou_no_midara_na_nichijou/mf/c002/pg-15/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/asanaga_ryuutarou_no_midara_na_nichijou/mf/v01/c001/21/
honestly, i dont know how you can read these two instances and not realize that he's been conditioned to think or feel a certain way. just because his body reacted, doesnt mean he wanted it.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/asanaga_ryuutarou_no_midara_na_nichijou/mf/v01/c001/26/
and here he's being threatened. like??? it doesnt actually matter that he's a masochist?? he blatantly says he hates this guy. there is no consent or safe word given beforehand. and submissiveness and silence is not consent. congrats on perpetuating rape culture.
*sigh*..in order for him to "conditioned" to react to masochistic actions he would need to be exposed to them over and over again for a period of time and taught that it feels good/ or that he likes it. You're using the term "condition" wrong and that's the problem. You're assuming that all relationships that use bondage or are rough have safe words or ask for consent and they don't..and so you're just going to blatantly disregard this? I guess for the sake of your argument you'd have too
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/asanaga_ryuutarou_no_midara_na_nichijou/mf/v01/c001/30/
,,he should hate it but he doesn't..why because he's finally getting what he wants what he desires that he wasn't getting from his bf. If it was his Bf instead of the director would you still be saying the same thing?? It all comes down to the fact that he didn't force him..whether he actually said yes or didn't, the brother did in fact by his own WILL give the man a blow job..just because he got turned on didn't mean he had too.. don't ever tell me I'm perpetuating a rape culture so you can be a smartass.. this will get nowhere so you feel how you feel and I'll stick with what I know
This is a prime example why we have rapists. Because people don't realize what rape is and they blame the victim instead. And rapists see this and they go off thinking that what they're doing is acceptable because it's not really rape. They can manipulate a person, shame them, make them feel unsafe, blackmail them, it doesn't matter. Society will still tell them that it's not rape. That they're not to blame. In the end all the blame is put on the victim and not their attacker. This is it.
And a quick lesson in bdsm: it's rape if there is no consent. It's not rough sex, it's not bondage, it's not in the bdsm, submissive-dominant relationship at all. It's rape. That's why safe words are important. To make sure bdsm relationship don't cross the line into rape because it makes sure that everything going on is consensual. I don't know where you're getting your info, but every dominant, submissive, switch I've met knows that this is extremely important in the community.
"Conditioned", as defined by a quick google search which you apparently cannot do for yourself, is "having a significant influence on or to determine the manner or outcome of something". How many times it happens has no relevancy. It only takes one traumatic even to happen for a person to be traumatized. And, I suppose, either your reading comprehension is too low to be able to grasp any of these concepts or nuances or you just want to remain ignorant and continue confusing BDSM with rape. In this case, I have a recommendation for you:
https://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-Book-Trilogy/dp/0345803485
*event
slip of the finger
^Boom.
eh is this one time thing or it happens again ? i mean there are comments that are saying he keeps on going with it with the director it it true?
YES!! So true!
Totally agree.
I agree. At the end of the day It was Ryuu's choice(with the director) that made the difference.
As a survivor, can I just say that this is exactly how it goes? While cheating isn't acceptable, I actually hated how little he thought of himself. Because that's how it works - all it takes is one incident to convince you that you deserve to be treated like crap, and then when the manipulation begins, you're definitely not going to recognise it or break away from it easily.
I can't finish this manga, sorry. It's way too triggering.
Everyone getting on the uke for "cheating". Like, he's been traumatized to the point where he feels like a physiological reaction he's experiencing makes him a bad/dirty person and he feels an overwhelming amount of guilt because of it. This is victim blaming 101. He's actually tearing himself down and thinking "Oh yeah that was consensual because my body reacted positively." when really he's been conditioned to feel that way because of his trauma. There's no way that was consensual. Come on, guys.