There are many mothers out there with same predicament. The fact is, they know what happened. To say they would prostitute their own child because of it is insulting to them. Please don't support the mother, let's call her what she is, a rapist. People are calling her mother, let's stop that. She's not a mother just because she gave birth to him. She's someone who not only couldn't protect her child but didn't care about her child and basically raped him.
I petition we stop calling this woman a mother.
Then I think, with all due respect that you should read again what I wrote. I think that you're not trying to understand what I'm trying to say because I'm not justifying her actions nor trying to make her look innocent at all. She must take responsibility for how he treated her child, that's a truth. It's unfair that she's the only one who's in fault here?...from my POV yes. The issue it's more complex than to blame one person?...yes. It's useful she paying for her actions?? Depends in how you're seeing it. Maybe for you, yes. For me, I have my issues about it. She's not the only one to blame here. It's more complex than that.
But I'm not really interested in give more words about it because I've said it all. And another thing, everyone has the right to think according to their standards and sense of reality, you should respect that. If you want to call her a rapist , fine, but don't ask to everybody to stop calling her in a way because you don't agree. At least not in my post.
Thank you, have a nice day.
"Momo was the victim of his Mom's family mistake, for how society in general let her down. "
Yes. You did not once say that it was her fault. You kept going back to her family, the society. SO please don't pretend that you blamed the mother even once. You calling her a mother is a FAR more false than calling her a rapist. She enabled Momo's rapist. She was paid for the rape of her child.
She's a rapist. Stop defending rapists. Many other rapist had horrible backgrounds as well, they are STILL rapists. The woman you're defending became the very thing that hurt her. You not even trying to counter my argument shows you have none. Have fun with your denial.
Please don't focus only on the rape of the woman. I hope you don't ever see a child being raped and say 'oh the poor mother.'
You crossed a line, you're being disrespectful and out of order. Please, stop attacking me and another people who respectfully shared their thoughts in this post. I don't know why you're taking this too far or what your Intentions are, but you're wasting your time and energy here, in a trivial thing. There are countless of injustices in the real world, so I suggest you, go and try to make something useful out there, I can assure you it's more effective.
I can't believe how far this went!! I can't believe you're not allowed to analyze a situation and give another perspective without being attacked or accused!! What the hell??? Where's the democracy and freedom of thought? Seriously!!!!
Adios! Σ(  ̄□ ̄||)
To cross a line and to be disrespectful, I would have to have made an agreement with you on where the line is, to be disrespectful I have to have at least a modicum of respect for you. I have neither for you. People who support rapists/child rapist/men rapist/woman rapist don't deserve my respect. Please don't expect respect from others. They are not under any obligation to give it to you.
'Where's the democracy and freedom of thought?" Where's the democracy and freedom of thought of my opinions on you? Don't ask for freedom of thought if you do not allow people's freedom of thought on their opinions of YOU. I am truly tired of people who think just because they have an opinion, they are free from criticism and backlash.
When you put out your opinion, expect a response, negative or positive. YOU don't get to decide what you get. If you do not want that, then don't bother giving your opinions, it makes you a hypocrite. And please don't talk about how I have so much time to waste. I've seen the time you took to reply to people you BELIEVE you have an argument against.
So I'm not surprised you couldn't and purposely avoided mine. Lol. Give me a good argument, instead of falling back on emotional and freedom of speech which is the backbone of those who have no good arguments aka you. You are no exception. If you support the rapist then you are just as bad. YOU are the society you seem to have such a negative opinion when it concerns Momo's rapist. Have fun being a rape apologist.
O... M... G... (⊙…⊙ )
You seem very tired indeed... I suggest, go and take a rest. Breathe, have a laugh, maybe a drink or two if you're over 18 or 21...have a good meal! I don't know, whatever makes you feel nice. HAVE A WALK IN THE NEAREST PARK OF YOUR HOME...hear the birds sing...enjoy the good things the life is offering you, really.
Don't waste your time here lashing your hate, frustrations... whatever, over people you've never seen in your life.
Peace, I know deep down in you, there's a lovely person, maybe. Bye bye!!! ヾ(☆▽☆)
O... M... G... (⊙…⊙ )
You seem very tired indeed... I suggest, go and take a rest. Breathe, have a laugh, maybe a drink or two if you're over 18 or 21...have a good meal! I don't know, whatever makes you feel nice. HAVE A WALK IN THE NEAREST PARK OF YOUR HOME...hear the birds sing...enjoy the good things the life is offering you, really.
Don't waste your time here lashing your hate, frustrations... whatever, over people you've never seen in your life.
Peace, I know deep down in you, there's a lovely person, maybe. Bye bye!!! ヾ(☆▽☆)
PS: I posted it wrong! Hahaha! Anyway...it's for you! Bye!
Lol, this is why I don't comment and/or try to avoid reading comments- there are gonna be those who give their opinions and then then people will think something else of it and attack, with the excuse of "I can give my own opinions, and if you can't handle it, don't comment at all!!"
It ain't an opinion anymore if they force their own down your throat... ( ̄へ ̄) (don't waste your time on those kinds of people if they continue like that)
Someone called him "the child of a rapist " that says it all I guess,they know what they are justifying. The idea that some lives matter less is the root of all that is wrong with the world. It's pointless to give arguments, they don't want to change their opinion or rethink about their views, making it pointless to start a topic.
"I know deep down in you, there's a lovely person, maybe. " Thank you :)
I know deep down you know that you have no good arguments. Evident from your lack of argument in your replies. And that you're just in denial. Just because you are trying to dismiss what I said as nonsense without giving any arguments against it. Because like I said, you don't have any. I hope one day you wake up from your idiocy and stubbornness.
And realise you are toxic to rape victims and that you should employ someone to protect them from the likes of you. Just as you have 'advised' me not to waste my time lashing frustration. Because obviously you haven't been wasting time with your arguments that shows you have not put any thought to anything you say. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if this is just how naturally you argue, without thought, logic or sense. Please do change and stop being the idiot that you obviously are.
Please don't waste time supporting rapists and living your life as a rape apologist.
Please also don't join the feminist movement because we do not want nor need females like you who put no thought into arguments and show how selfish and bias women can be to female abusers and rapists who deserves time in prison and how heartless you are to children especially male ones.
Exactly! The fact that they put no blame to the mother and only to 'society' yet the mother is the one who is able to go on with her life, getting married and leaving her child behind. While her child is the one who had their own family pay for their MULTIPLE rape at a young age. I wonder if these children who make such comments are able to see anything but 'mother is rape, mother is victim, therefore mother is never in the wrong.'
Yes, instead they try to focus on emotional arguments that has no relation to the topic at hand. And then support each other childishly. Not realising that they have just showed exactly their immaturity by doing so. It's scary how toxic they are and yet have no realisation of it. I really fear for their children and rape victims they come across with their illogical bias.
Lol, 'force down your throat'. It's hypocrisy not to allow people to say their opinions of you as well. YOU are feeling like people are forcing opinions down your throat just because your brain is too menial to deal with the fact that your opinions have no logic and you are not open to proper discussion. Nobody is holding a gun to your throat to agree with the opinions.
But the fact of the matter is, the replies to people's honest and logical arguments from the OP are ridiculous and only has one thing behind it 'everyone has their opinions'. Yes but just like everyone has and talk about their opinions, to not listen to them and open your mind to what people say, shows that you have no maturity to deal with having an opinion because you can't even back it up or are mature enough to change it when opened to NEW INFORMATION, like an adult would do. To hold steadfastedly with your opinions then making a thread of it without being able to back up your opinions at the same time showing no thought to people's arguments shows that your opinions are uneducated and has no logic and therefore you have NO reason to hold onto this opinions other than being just THAT STUBBORN.
Your arguments have nothing to say but other than 'I feel this way.' Which is great when you're dealing with things like your favourite food and the type of pets you prefer but NOT when it's something as grievous as rape. Your opinion can no longer be just harmless feelings, when it is not backed by logic it becomes HARMFUL.
But I'm not surprised you feel that way. By your logic, just you saying that people should have their own opinions without others giving theirs is the same as forcing your opinions down people's throat. YOUR definition, not mine. So please stop trying to force your opinion that 'everyone should have an opinion without being responded to with negative feedback' down people's throats, thank you.
I'll just say this to clear up any misunderstandings:
YES, the mother/monster DESERVES PUNISHMENT, but because of that backstory, I feel sad for how things turned out. I AM NOT justifying or excusing her of what she let happen to Momo- and because of that I hate her and would NEVER FORGIVE HER, but I also hate how people aren't attacking the ones who made her like that.
Now, I would NEVER BELIEVE FICTION IS SAME AS REALITY. I'm not like those kinds of people who blurs that line.
I understand that everyone has their own opinions, I get that and I respect that- to each their own- but I just don't like how people are attacking each other, calling names that can actually hurt them.
Okay, that's enough ranting from me, lol.
TL;DR: Let's all just chillax and pray that in the next updates, we get to see Momo happy~ (=・ω・=)
I'm officially your fan! More hugs!! ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
The most important thing to remark in your comment is that...THIS IS FICTION. PURELY FICTION. Sadly, truly sadly this is not... http://m.koat.com/news/new-disturbing-details-revealed-in-victoria-martens-case/41662498
I don't know how USA legal/social system works, I'm not from there. I'm latin, but it seems that the law in prision are the same either here or in USA. We know what happens to a prisoner when he/she is charged and punished for murder/rape a child. They know what she/he deserves.
Just to clarify why I brought this new to this trivial site... 1) reality surpass fiction BY MILES!, 2) For those who took my comments and others seriously enough to make judgments and call us by names ... If either of you are from USA, you have plenty of serious and real reasons to fight, I hope you can do something about it, 3) Nothing more to say, generally things are listed or counted to three ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
One last thing, I really want to know how Harada will resolve this... All we care is Momo's happiness (I don't care how, just him happy)
I hope you didn't brought up this case to show that "in reality such things happen and reality can surpass fantasy " evil people do exist , children being abused and sold out by their parents is a shame on our society and a mark on how wicked and evil human nature can be. That case you brought up should have convinced you that there are no justifications and such acts MUST be condemned in the real world and in fiction as well, because they do happen and it's a fight where our voices can help. Such actions aren't the norm, they aren't a consequence of society but a consequence of evil people, purely evil people that do exist. Many users here have invited you to look at different cases, someone brought up a case in France https://www.sott.net/article/244071-Something-rotten-in-France-Trial-of-70-parents-caught-prostituting-and-raping-their-own-children-in-Idyllic-Angers
This things alone should have you convinced that there should be no support, even if it is a fiction world. I pointed out a manga by Harada, Nii chan, where the child is abused by the brother and he wants to go back to him because he liked it so much being touched by him and he shouldn't have been afraid of penetration. There are many authors ,especially in Japan where shotacon and loli are a problem, they tend to exploit such events and create mangas where a child's body is used as a sexual toy,and Japan is suffering immensely from pedophilia. You may like the author, the art, but distinguish reality from fiction. The entertainment industry has a powerful control over the people, you and many others trying to understand the actions of the mother are the proof of the industry power and influence.
" If either of you are from USA, you have plenty of serious and real reasons to fight, I hope you can do something about it, "
fighting means many things, fighting also means being against abuse and not tolerating any support of the abuser. It may seem like it's nothing serious, but a strong voice is really important to raise awareness and in such cases there is no compromise.
You pointed out the brutality of prisons ,tell me what should be done against those people? When they destroy lives and have no guilt, what should be done? When a person goes out killing innocent people in a shooting spree ,or people who sell organs, or those who prostitute other people,and many other things. Being in prison means being punished and the punishment is different depending on the crime. People have a choice and when they destroy someone else's life they will face a punishment. The justice system isn't perfect because there may be innocent people condemned for a crime they didn't commit ,there is no perfection, but a crime such as pedophilia and abuse at such levels of a child deserves severe punishment, so that those who have the desire to commit such crimes will think twice before doing it. And even if this doesn't stop them, it's a clear sign for those being abused that SOCIETY fully condemns what happened to them, that what has been done to them isn't acceptable and that they can call for help because what has been done to them won't be tolerated. If you think prison is dangerous, what about the lives that have been destroyed by such criminals ? They will never have a normal life again, their suffering is way worse than the criminal's suffering in prison, and think that the criminal did it while being fully aware and felt NOTHING. Human nature is complicated, but there are people out there who truly have nothing human.
I invite you to look at this video, no remorse, no guilt, nothing.
https://youtu.be/F7SYdi36D3g
Ok, I read every single word of your comment, and I can't resist not comment at all, there are a lot of things you're saying that deserves a feedback because you're right but also you let room for me to disagree at some points. Also, reviewing the early comments on my original post (I didn't expect such response, really) yes, that link about that story in France was brought it before, sorry I missed it.
Let me say first...you don't have to worry about what I must be convinced. I'm perfectly aware of what I'm saying and why I'm saying it. I don't need be convinced about anything because I do have my reasons of why I'm giving another perspective of the story. You're the one saying I'm supporting the woman who gave birth to Momo and I'm not doing it at all. I feel sorry for her because of her past and please, in this particular case for once, relating to the story and because of the background about her past Harada is doing, is from my POV unfair that she's the only one being guilty here. Yes, she's guilty for what she did to Momo when he was a child, yes, she must take responsability for what she did and for let those horrible things happens to Momo when he was a child. No, it's not fair because she was a rape victim when she was a minor and she was left alone and nobody is taking responsability for what happened to her. REGARDING WITH THE STORY, maybe if the rape act on her didn't happen, things probably would turned out different. End of it.
Probably you will say...but those woman on France, those who gave birth to those childs that are victim of rape, are saying that they were victims of abuse when they were minors. FUCK OFF!! You got busted, therefore there's no excuse for what you did. You were perfectly aware of what you were doing, in fact, there's a bunch of people perfectly aware of what they were doing. This was a very organized criminal group, sponsored by people with the money and power to let them function. What it's more disturbing is this: "How could such horrors have gone undetected for so long? Twenty-one of the 23 families implicated were under the supervision of social workers, who paid frequent visits to their homes, offering advice on employment and finances. One teacher dropped by some of the children's homes regularly as part of France's "educational assistance" services for students needing remedial help. Three of the accused men had been convicted previously of pedophilia, including Marine V.'s grandfather, who in 1991 was sentenced to 13 years for raping his son."
I'm free to think whatever I want... money is ugly... social workers are generally underpaid, corruption is everywhere. Like you say before, "The justice system isn't perfect because there may be innocent people condemned for a crime they didn't commit , there is no perfection" no, sadly there's no perfection, starting with the fact that those who created the system justice, are human after all. That's all I'm going to say about it.
"You pointed out the brutality of prisons , tell me what should be done against those people?" Exactly what other prisoners normally do on those people. In fact, from where I am, when the community catch a child molester, a rapist of children, a rapist of women... they don't let justice come in the formal way...oh no. It's morally right? It's wrong? When you know that justice in the formal way probably will fail to punish in the way the criminal deserves... oh well, that's when I echoed your words "it's a clear sign for those being abused that SOCIETY fully condemns what happened to them" oh it do. And generally it's brutal. Like criminals normally are. I just step aside and let others to discuss if it's right or wrong. I'll simply say... there's such a thing called karma.
"fighting means many things, fighting also means being against abuse and not tolerating any support of the abuser. It may seem like it's nothing serious, but a strong voice is really important to raise awareness and in such cases there is no compromise." I'm going to quote a couple of comments someone made in the news about the case I brought:
"Look at all of you. Posting comments on here like it matters. When will you all believe me when I say this is the new norm? How many unreported cases of abuse are there in one year? How many do get reported and THEN you here about it on the news. Just ask yourself how many cases don't make It to the news or police?"
"I would go one step more and say, if this really truly made people angry, why don't more of them step up, get involved and make a better safer system? Seems that people expect CYFD to solve all of the problems, yet those same people are unwilling to get involved and help children they see in danger, or foster children that CYFD already has in its overloaded system. Don't complain if you aren't willing to actually step up and make a difference."
People commenting about a real life case.
Extract for the news related to the France case:
"The brute violence and numbing banality of the crimes has jolted even seasoned lawyers and child advocates. "Their children were just a way of supplementing their income a little," says Yves Crespin, attorney for l'Enfant Bleu, a child-protection association in Bagnolet. "Parents and their friends were smoking cigarettes in the next room while men raped their children and the children were crying," says Alain Fouquet, lawyer for 11 of the allegedly assaulted children. "It was like a bridge party, or teatime. It's monstrous."
"Officials from the regional council that oversees Angers' social services told Time that they had sounded the first alarm about possible sexual assault two years before police rolled up the prostitution network. At the beginning of 2000, at least one social worker alerted law-enforcement officials that some of the children might have been sexually abused, says Dominique Le Clerc, deputy director of social services for the Angers-based Maine and Loire council. Two more warnings came in 2001, when a girlfriend of one of the accused told social workers about the sexual abuse - more than a year before the man was questioned by police. Says Le Clerc: "We had suspicions, but the proof wasn't strong enough for them to intervene."
"We had suspicions, but the proof wasn't strong enough for them to intervene."
"We had suspicions, but the proof wasn't strong enough for them to intervene."
"When Time visited the building recently, neighbors brushed aside questions, some closing their doors without a word. On the door of Franck V.'s old apartment, the current tenants have pasted a handwritten notice reading: "Ssh! Baby asleep, don't ring the bell." The community still seems unable to express its unease. "Everyone is horrified yet no one knows how to speak about it," says Saint Léonard's Roman Catholic priest, Father Charles de Bodman."
It's not my problem, I'm not going to get involved...
To finish this..."The entertainment industry has a powerful control over the people, you and many others trying to understand the actions of the mother are the proof of the industry power and influence."
I do know what's reality and what's fiction. I do know how much damage can do the "mass media" I do know how much they can manipulate you to the point to make you believe that there's one and only one way of "perfect living". I do know how it can make you a prisoner of "standards" and make you live for reaching those as your goals in life. And make you numb about real and tangible things. So, don't worry about that. I know what it's real and what it's not.
"I hope you didn't brought up this case to show that "in reality such things happen and reality can surpass fantasy " evil people do exist , children being abused and sold out by their parents is a shame on our society and a mark on how wicked and evil human nature can be."
I said before that I believe in causality not in casuality. It's more easy to deal, for me, with the fact that a person is evil because it has a problem, not necessarily because it's its nature. But, seeing the case I brought, how that woman are not showing any sign of regret, the man in the video you brought...maybe you're right. Evil people do exist for the sake of being evil only. That's something scary.
" I pointed out a manga by Harada, Nii chan, where the child is abused by the brother and he wants to go back to him because he liked it so much being touched by him and he shouldn't have been afraid of penetration."
*deep breath*
That manga seriously pissed me off. And after seeing the video you linked...it pissed me off even more. I made a comment about it... http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/1368950/
Maybe Harada saw that video...
This manga is definitely something. It's not simple plot to make an excuse and draw hot sex scenes, no. I think it brings things that are ugly that we usually see in reality (definitely some things are exagerated for the sake of fiction but still with high sense of reality) and how easily we can judge without even for a moment try to understand the situation. And I'm not even trying to justify neither of the actions of the unfortunate mother, no. It was to be expected, how she acted, how everything turned and that's the closest to reality that this manga brings. It's sad, because the majority thinks that she had choices... really? What choices? "Give the baby to someone who can love him" that sounds a rational action, yes, but for me it would be a choice given by SOMEONE who tried to understand her and that didn't happen. She was left alone, she was expulsed from society by her family and everyone around her that she could trust, everyone blamed her, not giving her the benefit of the doubt. She was alone with a baby. How after she was treated could posibly think give that baby away? And being alone with anybody to hold or be holded? She thought that she could do it, give that baby the chances she didn't have. But that was merely a dream, reality is harsh and she failed tremendously, another thing to be expected to happen. Something in her broke and she gave up to the choice of give Momo a normal life because she didn't think it would be possible for them, for her, for that child, because they're a failure to the society standards. Yes, she was horrible, but for me that's not a surprise. It was a consequence for the fucked up reality she had to put on. The innocents always pay for others mistakes, Momo was the victim of his Mom's family mistake, for how society in general let her down. I think that was hurt her the most (and the thing that severely damaged her) was how everyone treated her after the rape. Nobody is thinking that the rapist after what he did to her didn't pay for his actions? Only her as a witness and everybody doubting, how somebody would feel after that? What rational thought could you have?
It' obvious that she knows she did wrong, but that's a realization she's having after she was given a chance, finally. And that's why she's searching for her son. And I think she's not even trying to seek forgiveness from him, she knows she doesn't deserve it, but she wants to know if he's also living a good life because he's also being given a chance. She's thinking that maybe it's not fair that she's the only one with the single opportunity to have a normal life, she's a mother after all and she's showing that she cares.
I'm glad that Yata is there for Momo, and also, I'm glad that Yata is trying to give Momo a chance to not hold grudges to his mother because it's a burden that. Too much weight on his shoulders.
That's how I'm interpreting this manga...it's a hell of a manga!