I honestly don't know how Karino feels--and I never have. I think what this chapter adds is more about the game within the game (the school versus the real world) and how Tatsumni is always wearing one mask or another. Karion, too, seems to have masks. Both Asuza and Senzaki seem too be more genuine--but that could just be my impression.
I really liked the panel where Asuza scoffs at Tatsumi for not being able to live outside his privileged role in the real world.
As for love, well, it is yaoi so I understand why you both wanted to know about that and why you got sick of it. I have to admit that when the story gets back to the main couple, I will care. I still would like to believe Karino has feelings deep down that he will neve express, but I really need to see something in the way of caring or thoughtful actions towards--which has only happened once in my mind so far.
my hypothesis: narratively speaking we should see Senzaki's reaction on the next chapter. Have a blast, for once. I so want to see something happen. At the same time, if she dilute the story Azusa/Karino again, people might forget forever about them (and she's supposed to know this). So… she might write about new character again (I'm joking, of course). It's like she going in circles around and around and around, but bating around the bush forever becomes boring after a while. A frontal conflict between Karino and Senzaki might be interesting and helpful to understand Karino, because if she keeps him up in the air forever he will definitely loose his attractive aura… we need to understand something more about them.
About Karino's thoughtful actions towards Azusa… well. It would be interesting to see, but it would require a lot of previous character-development. I believe, too, they'll probably end "in love" because it's a yaoi, but for no other reason. If the author will be very brave (I think we once agreed she is)… they won't. Who believe that, they will 101% end all lovey-dovey (with some fists in it to spice the thing up).
I agree that they are likely to be together, Karino unchanged and smug, and Azusa fighting and kicking every step of the way. That is yoai. :)
And yet... well I'll dream while I can. It's a good story.
"So… she might write about new character again (I'm joking, of course)"
NOOO,really nooooooooo. If that happens I'm done,seriously. xDxD
Now back to the main topic,when I first started this manga I always thought Karino would change and things like that,but the fact that he doesn't really surprised me. It makes him "real" in a way,because in the end that's who he is. A rich,egoistic,sadistic,machiavellic individual. How could he change? In the end it's school,not the real society where he lives. After he graduates everything will end,so why should he let his guard down? It actually happened in chap3 where he kissed azusa,but nothing after that. He enjoys it, likes azusa but it's not serious,yet. After graduation they can't be together,even Azusa wouldn't want to be in a relationship with no future. The son of a minister(who will probably enter politics) would get serious with the son of a prostitute? Well,I hope he does(cuz I love them) .....but it's hard.
Btw,is it me or is Karino jealous of Tatsumi. Maybe he doesn't like the fact that he is a top student,always well-behaved.It feels like there is competition.
There is...something...between Karino and Tatsumi. Tatsumi has obvious reasons to be jealous of Karino, but I think Karino kind of looks down and Tatsumi. Because Karino is so S and Tatsumi such an M, I briefly wondered if there was ever and attraction between them. I know it's incest, but this is yaoi. Don't worry--I don't think the couples will change.
well… of course everyone here (me included) wants to see them together and, being a manga, I even feel allowed to contemporary desire to see Karino smashed to the bones. Two different endings, why not. More realistically, they 1) will simply end loving each other because that's yaoi logic and stop, and who does not agree is officially declared being in the wrong place at the wrong time 2) will kill each other…no, I'm just dreaming. Your observations are extremely realistic, but there is no reality involved here and we know it well. Otherwise Azusa would have never started developing something for his brutal rapist out of the blue.
In my opinion, we really run the risk of discovering that Karino always cared for Azusa, but his family situation forced him into being the complete asshole he is. And at that point, Azusa will fall in his arms. No, wait, this is an horror b-movie scene.
Let me dream about Karino covered in his own blood.
What I DO NOT want to see is Senzaki turned into a pathetic psycho maniac in order to make Karino look cool again in comparison, but that's what will probably happen.
About Tatsumi… uhmm, my guess is that Karino does not like to have a bastard in his family, and that's it. On one hand, it's easier for him to have a strong personality because he's the legitimate son, but on the other he has it tough, since he always has to be up to the expectations. Tatsumi is an honor-student but Karino is also highly intelligent. He's just not interested in something as trivial as proving himself a good boy. What he's doing here, is a dress rehearsal for his political career. And Tatsumi is potentially a source of embarrassment. And let's not forget that, beloved or not, he's his brother, so he "belongs" to him, and no one else has the right to come in between, but it's not affection, it's just a form of possession. Karino rules the world, or would like to.
Senzaki... please.
no, c'mon, don't withdraw immediately, this is a great idea! Karino raping Tatsumi when Azusa suddenly steps in…. I'm on it. Wanna see it (づ￣ ³￣)づ
LOL, I hadn't actually visualized that. :)
that's true,but I love it when fantasy is mixed with realism. I don't think Chise will ruin Senzaki's character she seems very careful. I guess he will have his happy ending,twisted as it may be. Though,I still want him to work as Karino's bodyguard, that way everyone is happy XDXD I have the roles for them,Senzaki is the bodyguard,Tatsumi is the secretary,Azusa is the mistress,what could go wrong? x''D
That's probably what will happen. Here is what I would wish for them, however:
Karino tells his dad that what he really wants to do is dance...just kidding, he becomes a politician, but he does it his way, and does not follow whatever Davros had planned. Azusa models enough to pay for university and gets a PI licence. He becomes a street tough PI, and reluctantly helps the helpless...for a fee. They are a couple but each refuses to live with the other and they fight a lot.
Tatsumi becomes a news anchor and TV personality, Senzaki is his main informant and source (and a criminal boss). They live together and plan to marry if Japan ever starts to accept gay marriage. Senzaki says it's just a piece of paper anyway and laughs, but Tatsumi wants it--and Senzaki would do anything for Tatsumi. Politicians who oppose gay marriage start to disappear.
Atsuma studies psychology in university and opens a community centre to provide teens with activities that promote character and fight bullying. Kuze works for Karino and makes finance contributions to the center, but can't come within 500 feet of Atsuma because of the restraining order.
The cute cosplay couple becomes famouse actors and do benefits for Atsuma's center.
Tatsumi becomes a news anchor and TV personality, Senzaki is his main informant and source (and a criminal boss). They live together and plan to marry if Japan ever starts to accept gay marriage. Senzaki says it's just a piece of paper anyway and laughs, but Tatsumi wants it--and Senzaki would do anything for Tatsumi. Politicians who oppose gay marriage start to disappear.
LOL! Oh my God.
I bet that karino is a 1st collecter of asuza's photos ! his classmate said that karino wasn't able to hide his feelings anymore, that's why he decided to become the king and monopolize asuza since the king's word is law ! so i think karino take this last chance to fulfill his desires ; he can't confess his love. I will let you imagine asuza's reaction ! hahahaha! A child of prostitute reject the son of Minister with the meanest way!!!! wow a really tough loss to take. that's why karino must put a mask to not reveal his genuine feelings ! it's not a spoiler it's just my point of view. happy Holidays anoni grrl .
Hi Responce! I often thought it was Karino who bought the photos too. I also suspected that Karino decided what information photographer boy would give Azusa. It seems to me the photographer left a lot out. That school needs to get the Internet or something. Anyway, I do think it's obvious that Karino has a thing for Azusa (I mean an attraction) as well resenting Azusa for how Azusa treated him, and some think this is a full blow love-hate deal, but I honestly don't know if I see such extremes.
Yep, Karino probably has a collection of Azusa's photos
Anyway , can you imagine how bad azusa would feel if Karino finds out about his home life? That would be too much,and maybe it is a turning point(but it probably won't happen).... Anyway, I love the fact that Azusa despite everything is the uke with most dignity. And I like that Karino wants a strong uke.
I think it's pretty clear there's attraction from the beginning between them. Probably Karino was the most interested one, but even Azusa felt it. Not love, just a mutual attraction. But Karino should take some lesson about being a gentleman, just a thing or two. Maybe that's why he did it. He might have shown who he was (personality and social status), conquering Azusa's heart for real. But then, in which world would they have lived together?…Karino might detest himself for this, so he tried to destroy his own feelings trashing the object of his love. Now I'm having a sadistic fantasy on them committing suicide together. That wold be something.
No. If that is love, it's a twisted, sick love that needs to die.
I've been rooting for Karino to get pushed off the roof....so I was so disappointed they stopped Zaki from taking him out. :(
NOT everyone. I don't want Azusa with Karino. I want Azusa victorious over Karino, then drops his butt and walks away into a new life, while Karino is trapped in his role and dead life. I want Karino miserable for life, paying for his evil ways. Or he could die. I'm good either way.
LOL At least you are flexible.
I totally agree with what you said. Karino seems to repress his feelings and maybe he is even ashamed of it(his family seems to be very cold,so I guess being emotional isn't a feature they would like). Anyway ,we'll have to wait and see xD
I"m telling you to the extremes !!! karino life is already all planned , after high school he must say goodbye to his freedom and enter his boring futur life ! he really loves asuza loot at this page http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/caste_heaven/bt/262499/Ch3/31/ asuza lost control and some of his inner emotion emerged http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/caste_heaven/bt/262499/Ch3/31/ and here hahaha http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/caste_heaven/bt/262499/Ch3/32/ asuza was suprised and karino was more shocked than asuza !!! he masked his feeling with a lame excuse : it's fun ! asuza believed him , but not me ! like always I observe the smallest details ;p (if VF fans are here they will kill me Σ(っ°Д °;)っ hahahaha) !
Ok, Ok, I know that whatever we read it's NOT from Karino's point of view and any word spit from his mouth to his brother or whoever else might be false in order to preserve his image and blah blah blah. But, do his fans still believe he somehow "loves" Azusa? He blatantly denies everything (again)… Azusa's reaction is spectacular. A guy with a clear mind! I feel like the story is loosing grip after such a long time, like, whoever really cares at this point whether they'll "love" each other or not?…Tatsumi and Senzaki have become more real, but without the original potential Karino and Azusa had. I appreciate a well-built pattern but this is too much, it adds absolutely nothing to the main line. Does Karino love Azusa? Well, who cares, at this point.