Like the whole storyline aside..... If my partner asked to become a sperm donor (and it's ...

thats not up to you tho :/

Agree, Cloe is in the right for once.
I even asked my husband, to be sure I am not the only one thinking like that.
He also said he wouldn't agree with that, and would get angry.
If it were the same scenario like in the manga, at least.
Even if it is my body, making children is not a simple matter like making a tattoo, or cutting your hair.
And I think he has a say in it too. We are married, such thing like "my" "mine" "me", becomes "our" "Ours" "we". Of course not with every thing. But by such important things, it does. At least for me.

Donation topic is open for discussion because of the situation can change everything but Cloe is nothing near being right. The reason for it because Cloe’s mental health issues are on a another level and thats why he isnt thinking about how donation could be hard or whatever as a normal person would think BUT he denies it because he think alex isnt gonna see him worthy if he donates his sperm. It goes like “ You dont need a family or a kid you have me, am i not enough for you?” thats the way of thinking for him since he doesn’t know proper relationship. Also i would like to point out that this whole series is about Cloe being the BIGGEST TOXIC MF ON EARTH. Him cheating on alex because he doesn’t like their relationship but again that how the build the relationship, him thinking if alex is not mine anymore, i’ll kill him and etc. So him not letting alex donate his sperm is actually one the the toxic behaviour he has shown. Hope this helps :)

excuse my typos

I think so too. It's mostly up to the person donating if they want to do it or not but if you have a long term partner, they might stick around for the rest your life and they might have to get involved with the kid too. If I were in that situation, I'd be frank, I hate kids and I wouldn't want to be involved but in the end, it's their decision and together you just have to work it out.

I don't agree completely. How old are they? 20? Alex didn't even graduate yet. Cloe just started working. They both don't know how to have a proper relationship. They are both immature, even if Cloe wouldn't be mentally ill. It wouldn't really change.
For a gay young man, having a "straight" or bi partner is not easy.
Almost everyone would have such feeling like fear of being abandoned, because he can't have children or whatever. Yes, Cloe is mentally ill, yes he is toxic, but even not mentally ill persons, are somewhat toxic when in a relationship. Even more if it is still "fresh" or "immature". Even I would think like that "you have me, am I not enough for you?".
But I would never say it. Even tho I am not Ill like Cloe is. It is a normal feeling of fear, or of not being "worthy". Whatever the real reason might be, Cloe is not totally wrong. He reacts the wrong way, yes. But at the end of the day, he would be react like that even if he weren't ill. Even I would feel at loss if my husband would have a child with another woman, just because I don't want any. But et least he knows. He also know that if he doesn't respect my choice, he is free to leave me. I can't force him to love the way I want it, but neither he can do it to me. I would totally understand that, and not making a fuss about it. I would sign the divorce paper immediately if it is what he wants. But we are grown ups, and mature. Nothing like the two here... We talked about it, and both agreed. ( I am open for adoption tho).
Something they both definitely need to do. Cloes also need to see a psychiatrist asap.
Or he will have a shitty life, and possibly hurt himself and others too.
Even if he would agree about the donation, I wouldn't want such a person near my child.

I think this is something Cloe and Alex, need to discuss and decide together. Not Alex alone, because like you said, it will affect both, not only one.
They are a couple, and such things needs to be decided as a couple.
It would be another matter, if Alex would donate to someone he doesn't know, and never will, somewhere around the world. But becoming a father, making a family with someone who is not your partner, you can't decide it alone.
Sorry if you meant the same as me, might have not understand your comment x_x

I’d also say no.

Couldn’t have said it any better!! I can’t explain things but you said everything I wanted to say.

I'm so sorry but I was scratchingu head like 'who in the hell is close?!'

I can't engrash I MEAN scratching* my* and cloe*

hahahaha yeah! I did a lot of typos, and wrote totally strange. Not sure if it is even compressible what I wrote. English is not my first language. Sorry XD

But scratchingu sounds totally like a possible japanese version of scratching XD

I agree with you, that's what I was trying to say but I might've phrased it weird haha :)

Nah, I just have difficulties understanding :)

Right. And he had a point. I mean, he’s gay. He could never have a kid with Alex because of that and hearing Alex wants 3 kids would make any gay mlm feel shitty. And not because “oh just get a surrogate,” but it’s because Alex was never gay to begin with. He’s a straight dude who could at any time marry a girl and have said 3 kids with her. But on the whole topic of sperm donors, I personally wouldn’t be up to it. And if my relationship ends whatever I guess… their relationship is so toxic but I’m still curious to see how this ends.

And I'm kinda annoyed that he thought having 3 kids is realistic, as a woman I'm afraid to even bear one child (all those complications that could happen in just one pregnancy) and he thought it's realistic to have 3 children

I'm also on the side that wouldn't accept my partner donoring their sperm, especially to people we both know. Well I'm straight so mine would be a whole different case. But even if I was in a relationship where we couldn't have a child by ourselves and my partner intends to donor their egg/sperm to a colleague and might be involved with the parenting in the future I'd rather break up haha. They can have their 'family' with someone else then, that's how I'd feel about it. Anyway I thought people in general wouldn't like their partner to have child with someone else, by sex or not... Bcs having a child is usually part of what people choose to do as a couple, to have your partner do that with someone else, I think it's only natural for that to be upsetting. Well but since I'm straight, I may not understand yet that this might be one of the ways LGBTQ community support each other to build their family.

Hmm I became very invested after reading these chapters, have never really had any thought about this topic before! But I want to share with u guys my view on this after talking to someone

I have never ever in my life thought about this so deep before after reading those 2 chapters and this topic coming up. Like I was reading a ton of comments here and then I began to think deeply what I would feel, or who side I agree to most. Then I talked to my sister who is BI and I’m a girl too and I’m straight. And I asked her what she would feel if she was Cole in this situation, and she would agree, let Alex donor his sperm to the ones who wanted it. Since ur partner has their own free will to do what they want, also the kid will not be ur partners but will belong to that family. She doesn’t view on blood relation as important since kids who are adopted are as much important in a family as for a kid who is from the parents blood. If a family has adopted a kid and has one form them, they are both as important. U guys understand what I mean.

Also she said if she was together with her partner and they wanted to make a family, as long as both parties have talked about it together and found a conclusion, then there would be no problem. Also the kid will be theirs and also if ur partner truly loves u, they will stay with you.

For me I don’t think I would let my partner who I love do that, give sperm fo someone else. Idk I would not feel okay with it. But I do respect other people choices and people can do what they want. Making a family and for the people out there who can’t or need help, sperm donors are a blessing to those families who can’t make it by themselves. My conclusion in the end is that as long as u talk about it with ur lover and then decides what u guys wanna do, then do what the h3ll u want !!

But thinking about this manga tho, it’s so twisted and they are both a little crazy, like they have so many loop holes in their relationship. No understanding of each other and their communication suck, like they don’t understand each other values.

Like I had to understand my sister opening and value of this topic even tho I have another view on it. But I can understand and respect it

Your sister is not wrong. I also don't think that much of blood relationship, but for a mother who carries the child 9 month in her body, is a different thing I think. It is not just blood. It is more than that. At least is how I think it would be. I don't have children. I don't want any. If anything, I would like to adopt one, for the same reason your sister mentioned. But the thing is, we agree with the part that it would be ok, if Alex or someone else, donates his sperm to a stranger he will never meet and such. But Alex said that he would be there for the child, he would be the father. Your child is your family, and the friend who will give birth to it too, since it would be the mother. Not to mention that the 2 women want another child from Alex, later on. That is the problem. But I mostly agree with your sister.