Tropes

Biggie Cheese June 23, 2021 11:56 am

I really hate the tropes in this manga tbh. There's probably more, but the only 2 i can think of right now, is the 'Parent/parents/guardians/whatever are sooo good and nice <3 but their child is the worst >:((' Like?? Children learn from the people around them, especially their parental figures. It's just a bad plothole. and I also hate that only the royal family in this has brown skin...Like? There were probably more characters in this with brown skin/darker skin, but there's VERY few. And the royal family seems a little more important in the story, especially the prince considering he's been an antagonist for a while. And i hate the trope were the 'bad boy' or 'play boy' character has brown skin. Like, If there was more diversity(in the 'bad boy/play boy' trope) maybe it'd be fine? But knowing that poc are seen as more violent and are also super sexualized, it's weird. But I'm also a white person, so i may be seeing something where there isn't anything? idk

Responses
    cold hearted June 23, 2021 1:22 pm

    Child even if the prince was another colour he still would have been the bad boy cause even before we know how much or a slimeball he is ;we know from the start he was trash and we already know who was the garbage over the Duke it was pretty crystal clear . Also not all brown skin is bad boy check out "Under the Oak Tree" the ML isnt a bad boy but he 's just read it

    jrpgaddicted June 23, 2021 1:59 pm

    Can I just say, the trope for good parent/guardian and "bad child" isn't exactly off in this story. And he's not a bad person. Yeah he's made mistakes countless times but he's been spoiled to death. Not to mention, the title of the only Prince as well as Crown Prince probably got to his head.
    He could have everything and anything he wanted. That's how he grew up. So why wouldn't he do as he pleased? His father, the Emperor, probably never taught him what was right and what was wrong.
    I grew up with a shitty parent that tried to kill me three times but am I following in his footsteps? Nope.
    There are many sides to human beings. We are complex. And i think his situation is a bit more complex. Yeah, he got really annoying, but I understand his actions just by seeing how his father is. Doesnt make father a good or bad person, but he does need to be held responsible for spoiling his kid so much. Well it was mentioned that his wife died early, so it makes sense that he spoiled the prince. *sighs*

    Biggie Cheese June 23, 2021 3:06 pm
    Can I just say, the trope for good parent/guardian and "bad child" isn't exactly off in this story. And he's not a bad person. Yeah he's made mistakes countless times but he's been spoiled to death. Not to ment... jrpgaddicted

    I was talking about the good parent/bad kid trope cause it seemed the author was trying really hard to get us to sympathize with the dad :/ and it does make sense why the prince acts this way cause his dad didn't raise him right and spoiled him. And I wasn't saying that like, bad parent = bad kid, and good parent = good kid, I'm sorry if it came off like that. And I also hope that, if you haven't already, you'll be able to escape your abuser and gotten the help and love you deserve.

    It's just that, usually, whenever i see the trope it isn't explained WHY the kid is bad, and the parent is absolved from all responsibility.

    Biggie Cheese June 23, 2021 3:11 pm
    Child even if the prince was another colour he still would have been the bad boy cause even before we know how much or a slimeball he is ;we know from the start he was trash and we already know who was the garb... cold hearted

    Also, I'm not saying that if he was white he wouldn't be a 'bad boy'. No matter his skin color, he would've been the antagonist with the way the story's set up. I'm just saying that there's a weird trend with making 'bad boy' or 'play boy' characters have darker skin.

    jrpgaddicted June 23, 2021 3:41 pm
    I was talking about the good parent/bad kid trope cause it seemed the author was trying really hard to get us to sympathize with the dad :/ and it does make sense why the prince acts this way cause his dad didn... Biggie Cheese

    Hmm i see where you are coming from. If it was a story about the Crown Prince, maybe it would explain more not only about how he grew up but also about his father. Unfortunately this isnt his story lol. That would be interesting to see for a story. Like a redemption story (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
    And i was addressing the trope you mentioned. You talked about "good parent = bad child" not being explained in the story. I was just giving my take on it.
    Or at least the author trying to get us to empathize with the emperor. If anything, i empathize more the crown prince.
    Good person does not equal good parent in my opinion. Legitimately good parenting is hard to find and being a parent is one of the hardest things to do.

    Also thank you (/TДT)/ im an adult now so I lived past the age of 20 which I thought I would die at cuz of that parent. Im alright. So thank you haha.

    cold hearted June 23, 2021 3:42 pm
    Also, I'm not saying that if he was white he wouldn't be a 'bad boy'. No matter his skin color, he would've been the antagonist with the way the story's set up. I'm just saying that there's a weird trend with m... Biggie Cheese

    U make a fair point

    KaiGavin June 23, 2021 9:57 pm
    Hmm i see where you are coming from. If it was a story about the Crown Prince, maybe it would explain more not only about how he grew up but also about his father. Unfortunately this isnt his story lol. That wo... jrpgaddicted

    this. good person does not equal good parent. parenting is a hard job that no one really knows how to do well. his father may have been a good and wise king. but that is different from being an excellent father. for one thing, as a king, he probably wouldn't have had much time to spare actually being a father. and he lost his wife early on. even less parenting for the prince. and it's common for parents who feel their child has lost something important, to try too hard to give them everything, over spoil them, under discipline them, and end up failing to raise them to be good and independent people.

    actually i have a relative who was with an abusive man for years. she eventually divorced him. he was not a good role model for their kids. even after the divorce, she felt guilty for ruining the kids' childhood. she'd give them anything they wanted, never punish them or get after them. the kids ended up taking on the abuser's role and continue to rely on her financially as adults.

    perhaps the thing when people say how could such a good parent end up with such a bad kid, is they are putting too much stock in genetics. they expect someone to be just as good, smart, and strong as their parents. as if that was all that goes into it.