Girl bye if she never left he would've continued with his abusive ways, idk maybe you have a thing for ppl like that ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Agree but I think that he was doing that to get attention even though it was bad I think he had feelings for her and he didn’t know what he was feeling or was ignorant of them.
i literally wanted to rip his throat out and feed it to him (though that would be difficult to do without a throat) a few chapters ago but he's growing on me.
Exactly
i think that was probably part of it but he said his reason was because he hated how she was acting like someone she isn't (the dead daughter) and he did all of that to try to get her to stop acting but she never stopped. he's lowkey delusional if he couldn't tell what type of shit that family was doing to her bc he seemed like genuinely surprised when she brought it up. He also said that she was the only one who could've understood him (something like that) bc they were the same. He didn't outright say it but he implied that he isn't the duke's biological kid and he is the product of an affair the duchess had...and as we all know the FL is the product of an affair that the duke had. just wanted to add on to what you said
You’re right I felt some sympathy for his mom at first because she had a husband who had an affair but know she is completely off (still hate her).
I agree! out of that entire family i feel like him and his mom have the most redeemablity (ik that's not a word) potential. She however is wasting that potential despite being given that opportunity to try to amend things with the FL. I hope her brother continues to redeem himself and get character development. I want him to learn to express himself better without the magical outburst like he's def improved since he was first introduced but he still has a long road ahead of him. The dad and the other green haired brother both suck though!!
Nah. Him force choaking her and dangeling her out of a window. Him attacking that butler. He is too violent to be easily redeemed.
my point exactly but i also think that he can somewhat relate to her in some way when he said that only paris has that privilege or smth and i just feel like he's misunderstood but i do agree that what he did to fl was wrong
There are a lot of people that are violent but the thing is what makes him different from others is that others admit their mistake and try to change.He was bad and violent but I think he can still be forgiven if he stones for them
correct me if i'm wrong but he never chocked her. he used his magic to grab her but that wasn't around her throat. it was around her waist. I said he's growing on me not that he's a forgiven. idk if you read my other comment but i said "I want him to learn to express himself better without the magical outburst like he's def improved since he was first introduced but he still has a long road ahead of him."
I meant atone
Forgiveness might happen. Don't think that forgiveness means that he should allowed near her as if nothing happened tho.What he did wasn't just wrong it was dangerous. It also didn't happen long enough ago to fully trust him. And Forgiveness and trust are two different things.
He might behave like a hunting dog, but he isnt a dog. He is human and humans should be held accountable. As it stands, beyond his abuse towards his sister, he broke into someone elses home and assulted their workers. That isnt some cute thing that can be waved away.
I think that if he is forgiven he doesn’t mean she would like him or be nice to him it just means that I forgave you and you should stay away from me
I don't remember. So I may be wrong. But look at what is happening with this conversation we are having...
Oh well he didn't use his powers to choke her while dangling her out of a window, he just used his powers to dangle her out of a window....like ok?? That's so much better????
He is not 5. He is way too old for learning not to have magical outbursts. Which is why for me at least he has not grown on me. The most he's done is pester the FL and ML. The most he has admitted too is taking his pranks too far. Maybe if he learns to give people the space they need to heal he will grow on me.
1) I never said either were okay but yes there is a difference and one is better than the other. Both suck but there is a better option between the two. once again i never said either action was good but there is a better option. most people would rather be dangles out a window by their waist and not their throat...but they would also rather not be dangled out a window at all and that is my point. both actions are bad though there is a worse action.
2) He obviously isn't physically 5 but he does have the emotional age/intelligence of a 5 year old. That household is an extremely toxic environment that is obviously going to affect these kids. imo the green haired brother is too far gone but this brother isn't. Growing up with parents like that is obviously going to fuck the children up. He has tried to explain himself using words but she cut him off (she has every right to do so and im not saying otherwise so pls don't try to misconstrue my words. i'm simply stating that we, the readers, almost got more insight into his head plus more of him using his words). Even though he's making an attempt to change and grow, it's clearly too soon which is why the FL is irritated with him. I would like to their relationship heal and grow and I like the changes he's making which why I said he's growing on me. He reminds me a lot of Reynold from death is the only ending for the villianess. Reynold abused Penelope in the past, he's extremely hot-headed, but he makes an effort to change. Penelope isn't comfortable with him at first and it takes time to heal but she does eventually forgive him and they end up having a great brother-sister relationship. I see the potential in his character so that's why he's grown on me. I've never said nor claimed his actions were okay.
But would most people be more forgiving of someone that dangled them from a window from their waist instead of their throat. Would they think, "Oh well he could have dangled me from my throat instead." Or would simply be upset at being dangled out of a window. Which might play a part in why the FL doesn't want to talk to her brother.
Pretty sure that green haired brother was just their dad.
Reynold was mostly snippy and verbally abusive. This guy not only harmed her but the ML's butler. He keeps trying to fight the ML too. As it stands he is trying, badly, to explain himself. Super badly cuz he still calls what he did pranks. Downplaying his negative actions does not show proper remorse. He is still too dangerous to be around. So its not really growth since he's just trying to get into her good graces, not trying to be less violent overall.
A lot of people grow up in abusive homes, they don't automatically default to abusing others. Even the father said that him dangling her out of a window was too far.
that's why i said both are wrong. I never claimed that she should forgive bc at least he didn't choke her but it does make a difference. The severity of one's actions reflect how much growth that they need to do. So yes it matters if he choked her or not. stop trying to act like i'm claiming she needs to forgive him bc at least he didn't choke her. I literally said she has every right to not want to talk to him so idk where you were going with that. His reasoning for his actions wouldn't make sense if he choked her. Details matter.
No he's not her dad. There are 4 children total (including the dead daughter). There's the dead daughter, the FL, the red-ish haired brother, and the green haired brother (i think his name is paris or something). Paris is the eldest brother and the favorite bc he's the only offspring (that's alive) that is born from the duke and duchess. He is treated the best and is kind of a mini clone of his dad.
This is just blatant hypocrisy. Reynold wasn't just "snippy", he was abusive. Reynold is one of my favs in that manhwa but that doesn't mean, i'm going to ignore his past actions. If we're going to play the abusive olympics...reynold wins. did you forget about how reynold murdered Penelope many times. His anger issues were way worse than Kuran considering he killed her multiple times bc of it. No where have i said that his (Kuran) actions were okay and i've in-fact repeatedly stated that he is WRONG for it. As far as the trying to fight the ML goes....Reynold hated when Penelope was around Callisto. Derrick tried to start stuff with him (i don't like derrick but just saying) and eclise DID fight callisto and tried to get him killed lmao ( he did so much more fucked up shit but only mentioning this bc u mentioned fighting ML's). Growth has to start somewhere. Since we're using reynold as a comparison rn, i'm going to reference him. Reynold's growth is honestly really hard to pin point at one spot but through out his growth, he was constantly going back and forth between being a prick and being kind. In the end, it was the kindness that stuck but his inner turmoil as he grows is very apparent. Reynold was a dangerous person bc of his anger issues which is why penelope tried to distance herself from him. Reynold and Kuran are very similar but why is it that you down play Reynold's actions despite his being objectively worse.
of course they don't automatically become abusive. If a group of people are put into this horrible environment, the way it effects each person will be different. There is a higher chance that someone who has been abused, will become abusive BUT ofc that doesn't mean it always happens. not you using the father as a moral guideline. the father has done a lot worse and it doesn't surprise me that he'd say that. the father does not like kuran. difference is that he hates the FL but doesn't like kuran.
My whole point is that it doesn't matter if he choked her or not. Even without that his actions are still severe, especially when you consider his age.
I am saying that the father was the one that saw him dangle her out of the window that night.
It's not a good comparison. All the guys actions, including Reynold's, are so out of touch with any logic when they kill Penelope, that I don't count it as their real actions but the "game's" actions. Especially when we start to see how they behave once Penelope gets freedom from the game's responses. That is why his growth as a character is hard to pin point. That's why we start to see them reflect on how shitty they are or even show care for Penelope. They are operating as real people instead of being trapped within the "game" system where Penelope is on hard mode. Before she broke free of the game's responses any little thing Penelope said would get her killed. After breaking free she is able to talk back to her brothers without worrying about them suddenly wanting to kill her. Its like her family are different people when the games system isn't involved. Even her cold father is doting on her and over the moon that she gave him a gift. Her brothers are jealous of said gift. It seems that the non game them is their real personality, so instead of them being so ready to kill her its more that the older brother ignored her and the younger brother always criticizes her. Which is why I called him snippy.
But beyond that if I had to say which character has grown on me, neither. I dislike both Reynold and Kuran. Nothing these brothers have done make me see them in a more positive light.
im sorry but i have a soft spot for the brother